ajt:
You would think the minibus would have moved out into lane 2 but maybe there was traffic preventing the manouver and he ended up being trapped in behind the stationary or rapidly slowing down truck. Same for the FedEx. Maybe couldn’t get out earlier enough into lane 2
‘Hit from behind’ seems a bit needlessly ambiguous bearing in mind the difference between being hit by a vehicle in lane 2 while making a botched lane change attempt as opposed to being run into from behind in lane 1 by a careless driver.
As for Fed Ex driver being in or even trapped in lane 1 with stopped traffic ahead.He needs to be reading the road well ahead providing time to stop in that situation not blindly carry on and let alone in the hope that a gap will miraculously appear in lane 2 if it’s blocked by traffic in that situation.As it stands ‘if’ this all happened in lane 1 then realistically he’s probably toast and rightly so.Having said that the needless ongoing ambiguity,concerning which lane that the Fed Ex truck was actually in,all seems a bit convenient and strange possibly giving credibility to Harry’s comments.
I would have thought that at 3am most of the lanes would be virtually traffic free anyway so avoiding a collision would be easy if the driver was paying attention? Our local news stated that they were all in lane 1.
windrush:
I would have thought that at 3am most of the lanes would be virtually traffic free anyway so avoiding a collision would be easy if the driver was paying attention? Our local news stated that they were all in lane 1.
Pete.
That was usually my experience of night time conditions but maybe there’s more traffic around at those times these days.Having said that using dipped headlights lights on unlit motorways can add to the chances of misreading a developing situation ahead.While I’m reasonably sure that if it had been me ideally I’d have been running very slowly in lane 3 with the hazards on in that situation of something stopped in lane 1 for no apparent reason.
windrush:
I would have thought that at 3am most of the lanes would be virtually traffic free anyway so avoiding a collision would be easy if the driver was paying attention? Our local news stated that they were all in lane 1.
Pete.
Not as quiet as you’d think. Although not rammed, there’s often enough traffic to trap you in a lane if you’re not completely on the ball.
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Would any of us on here pull up to a full stop in a live lane, or swerve off up the sliproad?
Even if the truck side-swipes someone coming up your offside - they are far more likely to survive than just plowing into the vehicle in front, or stopping in time - and getting rear-ended by the vehicle behind…
This old chestnut is a classic example of what can and does go wrong when you do.
Camera driver is far too close anyways, it’s true. The actions of the idiot car in front though have actually done more to cause what could well be an injury-causing accident, hence why it’s labelled “Cash for Crash”.
I wouldn’t want to be in whatever just ran into the back of Camera vehicle though.
I would even argue that this problem of “tailgating” is far more apparent on two-lane carriageways than the normal 3-lane Motorways. The M11 J8-9, M26 and M2 J5-6 are very accident-prone stretches of road that are just that in my area.
If it makes trucks back off then it’s only a good thing, times I’ve been in my car in a 50 zone on the M4 (there’s a permanent one near where I live) and had a Class 2 or 1 sail straight up my arse and sit less than 6ft off my bumper, even to a fellow Class 1 driver that’s quite [zb]ing unnerving, even more so when I’ve got my family in the car with me! So dd you really need to re-think your ‘hero of the tartan tang’ posts!
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
I got slated by our resident know it all know ■■■■ all for wondering how the minibus got shoved under the back of the first truck … but it were Carryfast so to be expected
Juddian:
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
I got slated by our resident know it all know [zb] all for wondering how the minibus got shoved under the back of the first truck … but it were Carryfast so to be expected
What I actually said,if you’d have bothered to read and just as importantly understand it,was/is that ‘hit from behind’ means the sum of sfa if we don’t know and until we do know what bleedin lane the Fed Ex truck was actually in.
As for how your stupid question,as to how does the mini bus then get shoved into/under/past the rear of the stopped AIM truck.That’s obvious,regardless of whether it was run into square from behind in lane 1 by the Fed Ex truck,or got clipped while the Fed Ex truck was straddling both lanes 1 and 2 as part of a too late lane change.Or for that matter whether it was the mini bus that was straddling both lanes 1 and 2 and the Fed Ex truck was in lane 2.That’s all easy enough to understand by just applying a bit of common sense and no need to ‘know’ much at all.Nor any need for your typical bad tempered bs just because you can’t understand how something that’s straddling lanes 1 and 2,as part of a botched lane change,from lane 1,can then get hit from behind by a vehicle approaching and overtaking in lane 2,resulting in it being crushed against the rear of the vehicle ahead of it in lane 1 especially if that vehicle happens to be stationary as in this case.
On that note,as I said,why was/is it so difficult for the coroner etc to make clear,which lane all the vehicles were in before and at the point of impact.Bearing in mind that ‘hit from behind’ means absolutely nothing in that regard.While the Fed Ex driver at least deserves that benefit of the doubt before the book gets thrown at him.
Carryfast:
On that note,as I said,why was/is it so difficult for the coroner etc to make clear,which lane all the vehicles were in before and at the point of impact.Bearing in mind that ‘hit from behind’ means absolutely nothing in that regard.While the Fed Ex driver at least deserves that benefit of the doubt before the book gets thrown at him.
It is not at all difficult - But at the stage the inquest has reached there is no reason at all for that information to be made public, other than to satisfy the voyeuristic desires of those who are intent on going off half cocked to discuss the case (and reach a “verdict” on the cause of the crash and the innocence or guilt of all involved) before due process has run its course. Surely you can understand that?
Carryfast:
On that note,as I said,why was/is it so difficult for the coroner etc to make clear,which lane all the vehicles were in before and at the point of impact.Bearing in mind that ‘hit from behind’ means absolutely nothing in that regard.While the Fed Ex driver at least deserves that benefit of the doubt before the book gets thrown at him.
It is not at all difficult - But at the stage the inquest has reached there is no reason at all for that information to be made public, other than to satisfy the voyeuristic desires of those who are intent on going off half cocked to discuss the case (and reach a “verdict” on the cause of the crash and the innocence or guilt of all involved) before due process has run its course. Surely you can understand that?
Firstly I’ve already said that without that information no one has even the slightest clue what happened.
As for the information released at the inquest.If they don’t want to even explain the basic facts as to ‘how’ the mini bus got ‘hit from behind’ then they might just as well have adjourned it without even bothering with that pointless statement either.In which case,if the lanes in which the respective vehicles were in is considered as being of no relevance to the inquest,other than to ‘satisfy’ any supposed ‘voyeuristic desires’ ( more like calm the type of issues raised by Harry for one example ),then surely the same applies regarding the inquest stating that the mini bus was ‘hit from behind’.When all that’s actually supposed to be established by your logic is that there was a collision involving the mini bus and the Fed Ex truck.
Crossroads:
The Fed Ex driver is in court on Monday, more information may come out then.
Doubt it - Monday’s appearance will see him confirm his name and address and the case will then be sent to Crown Court. Unless of course he enters a guilty plea, at which point it will be sent to Crown Court for sentencing. Either way, no further details of what actually happened will be forthcoming.
The coroner has a role to play, the bodies cannot be buried or burnt with a coroners report, due to the ethnicity of the deceased, their custom dictates that the bodies should be released in a timely manner
Looking at pics of the minibus on the recovery vehicle the nearside front is virtually undamaged, the wing, wheel and cab door including the window are complete but the rest is wrecked. Of course the emergency services will have cut a lot of the shell away so difficult to assertain just where the point of impact was.
Why THE F… every thread has to come down how bad EE are, how we steal your jobs, how we are alcoholics. Eastern Europe is made up from dozens of countries every one with different culture,habits and understanding of life.
What happen on M1 is tragic, sad and criminal event, the guilty party should be prosecuted with the full extend of the law. RIP to all people regardless of country of origin.
And before talking about drink driving look in the mirror, every week British citizens are arrested driving drunk(cars/SUV’s) in Bulgaria, yes not trucks but never the less drunk. When I mention this last year, many of you said, well thats normal few pints from the pub, driving few miles home
Our local news stated that they were all in lane 1.
