Dr Damon:
At present sitting on a bus between York and Hull.
Looking ahead everybody is nose to tail. The bus we are in, cars, lorries and the road is wet.
Let’s hope nothing unexpected happens.I wonder how many of the mentioned drivers think they are good and quite safe?
Guaranteed 99%
judging by the logic in your newbie posts i have to ask…did you remember to wear your helmet and gumshield?
and remember,if you need the toilet,say you need the toilet…we wont know otherwise.
there are nasty cooties on the windows that you cant see,just because everyone else on the bus is licking them dont make it correct.its not big,its not clever…dont lick the windows on the bus.
Olog Hai:
Did you even read what I wrote? Go back and try again. Say it out loud if you need to. It might help you to understand it.
As for your three test passes - who gives a [zb]? There’s plenty of steering wheel attendants our there who have done the same yet would be out of their depth on a sit-on lawnmower.
Yes I read your reply and rather than come back with childish insults I would suggest you learn what being selfish means. It means to not consider someone else in your thoughts or actions. Holding the traffic up just because you want to go slower than is necessary is selfish as I pointed out. Keeping the traffic flowing as well as you can is about sharing the road and ensuring everyone gets where they are going as fast and as safely as possible.
I’m not angry by these idiots just frustrated that people can’t learn to drive properly and have some thought for others on the road. It’s the “I’m all right jack” attitude that is all too prevalent these days.
Same goes for inconsiderate parking causing an unnecessary obstruction that we see all to often as people are too lazy to walk a short distance.
Looking back at some of the gibberish posts it’s no wonder the traffic is so chaotic and Ladies and Gents that is why we have rules.
If only drivers had the gumption to follow them and stopped trying to drive the way they think is correct then a lot of problems would be solved.
Quite agree for a change, we have rules of the road for a reason, even simple ones like keep left unless overtaking but it seems about 95% of car drivers can’t manage this simple task.
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Dr Damon:
‘…Looking back at some of the gibberish posts … is why we have rules. If only drivers had the gumption to follow them and stopped trying to drive the way they think is correct then a lot of problems would be solved…’
I am only aware that those of us using the highways the UK have only the often useless and arguably uber-liberally enforced (LoL) Highway Code (Top-Tips?) to govern us (LoL again)
At best it is a vague option to follow, whilst many otherwise take risks at doddle-odds to win, as they might see it, in their chosen fashion
Thus, it’s the right of everyone to do as they ■■■■ please - exemplifying how UK highway society has been divided to be ruled over in a fashion that does not, surprise-surprise, prioritise the highways
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
Purely from industry loyalty, I’d hoped that the minibus had pulled quickly out of lane 1 into lane 2 and the Fed Ex couldn’t take evasive ation in time. So he was either tired, messing with his phone or bored into zombiedom.
I’m curious why the minibus was stopped in lane 1 as well?
I think I’ve read all the posts on here - has it been established yet why the AIM truck was in lane 1?
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
Purely from industry loyalty, I’d hoped that the minibus had pulled quickly out of lane 1 into lane 2 and the Fed Ex couldn’t take evasive ation in time. So he was either tired, messing with his phone or bored into zombiedom.
I’m curious why the minibus was stopped in lane 1 as well?
I think I’ve read all the posts on here - has it been established yet why the AIM truck was in lane 1?
I don’t understand why the bus stopped either, maybe we’ll never know. I don’t think it’s been established why AIM lorry had stopped, probably a drink induced misjudgement.
One thing I do want to see as an outcome of this, the role of the authorities. How can a vehicle be stranded in lane one for twelve minutes without hato or police officers in attendance?
Captain Caveman 76:
I don’t understand why the bus stopped either, maybe we’ll never know. I don’t think it’s been established why AIM lorry had stopped, probably a drink induced misjudgement.
One thing I do want to see as an outcome of this, the role of the authorities. How can a vehicle be stranded in lane one for twelve minutes without hato or police officers in attendance?
He was at 55mg - what’s that? A couple of glasses of wine? Obviously it’s wrong, but I’m really struggling to see how you could mistake the first lane of a motorway for a suitable stopping place. Having said that, stranger things have happened.
172 as per the other thread and you could be parked across all three lines and settling in for a snooze
Be interesting to find out if it was rung in and how long before the accident.
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
Purely from industry loyalty, I’d hoped that the minibus had pulled quickly out of lane 1 into lane 2 and the Fed Ex couldn’t take evasive ation in time. So he was either tired, messing with his phone or bored into zombiedom.
I’m curious why the minibus was stopped in lane 1 as well?
I think I’ve read all the posts on here - has it been established yet why the AIM truck was in lane 1?
I don’t understand why the bus stopped either, maybe we’ll never know. I don’t think it’s been established why AIM lorry had stopped, probably a drink induced misjudgement.
One thing I do want to see as an outcome of this, the role of the authorities. How can a vehicle be stranded in lane one for twelve minutes without hato or police officers in attendance?
I would suggest it is becoming obvious.
The AIM diver was tired/■■■■■■ and messed up stopping in lane 1. Why God only knows.
The minibus driver was confused by this, slowed and started to pull out when he had worked out that AIM was stopped in lane 1 (possibly no hazards on - which would add to the confusion).
Mr Fed Ex may have seen both and barrelled on past expecting Mr Minibus to wait (speed differential and all that), when he didn’t he hit him on the off side sending minibus onto grass verge and collided with AIM truck causing it to jack knife.
The severity of the consequences is in my mind consistent with a high speed differential of 40-50mph? This can be worked out from the photo evidence and so far what has emerged from the court appearance and the coroner’s court suggests this. Hopefully we will find out more in due course.
The frustrating thing for the rest of us is that major accidents like this are not subject to some widely published details (unlike some MAIB stuff into near misses) which would help us all.
As many have said, the parcel bandits ain’t exactly slow in how they drive/operate.
Not just this case, this stationary vehicle in live lane running has, or should have to any sensible road user, implications for the whole bloody Smart Motorway (my arse it is) concept, and yes i know its not Smart Motorway at the place where it happened but it’s a similar situation.
This is the type of thing that happens when vehicles are stationary, and apparently in this case only showing normal lights, where they wouldn’t be expected on any motorway live lane, doesn’t matter how bloody clever some of us think we are or how many million miles we’ve driven without a prang, when the right or rather wrong circumstances combine it can all go so disastrously wrong.
Very sad to hear this was the outcome. Regardless if why the AIM driver or the Minibus had stopped the Fed Ex driver should have seen what was happening and made evasive action. I was really hoping he wasn’t to blame but from that info from the inquest it looks like he is.
I do think they need to look into how the vehicle was stationary in a live lane for so long though as has been said.
Juddian:
Not just this case, this stationary vehicle in live lane running has, or should have to any sensible road user, implications for the whole bloody Smart Motorway (my arse it is) concept, and yes i know its not Smart Motorway at the place where it happened but it’s a similar situation.
This is the type of thing that happens when vehicles are stationary, and apparently in this case only showing normal lights, where they wouldn’t be expected on any motorway live lane, doesn’t matter how bloody clever some of us think we are or how many million miles we’ve driven without a prang, when the right or rat7her wrong circumstances combine it can all go so disastrously wrong.
Again with the ‘progress is bad, why can’t things stay as they are’ violin concerto.
Somebody with more qualifications then you (and me… ) looked at this, and said: "what is the difference between a dual carriage way and a motorway? "
simcor:
Very sad to hear this was the outcome. Regardless if why the AIM driver or the Minibus had stopped the Fed Ex driver should have seen what was happening and made evasive action. I was really hoping he wasn’t to blame but from that info from the inquest it looks like he is.
I do think they need to look into how the vehicle was stationary in a live lane for so long though as has been said.
I think it is a bit early to come to that conclusion as we have not heard from him or the prosecutor about the Fed Ex driver’s actions. We simply don’t know why the accident happened, I am merely suggesting from the photo evidence of what appears to have happened.,
I do hope Mr Fed Ex wasn’t ■■■■■■■■■■■ around with a phone or text, but let’s assume he wasn’t he could have made a very simple mistake. He might have assumed in a second that Mr AIM and Mr Minibus had had a minor bump and Mr Minibus was just pulling out. However he thought Mr Minibus would wait…and he didn’t. That’s purely conjecture at the moment.
What is interesting is why Mr Fed Ex - if the above supposition is true - didn’t do a double overtake, i.e. move into lane 3 to allow minibus into lane 2. To avoid an accident it would seem sensible. Either he couldn’t (other traffic) or perhaps bought the “trucks aren’t allowed into the outside lane mantra” expecting the minibus to stay put.
At the moment that’s all guess work as only he knows why he did what he did, poor sod.
simcor:
Very sad to hear this was the outcome. Regardless if why the AIM driver or the Minibus had stopped the Fed Ex driver should have seen what was happening and made evasive action. I was really hoping he wasn’t to blame but from that info from the inquest it looks like he is.
I do think they need to look into how the vehicle was stationary in a live lane for so long though as has been said.
I think it is a bit early to come to that conclusion as we have not heard from him or the prosecutor about the Fed Ex driver’s actions. We simply don’t know why the accident happened, I am merely suggesting from the photo evidence of what appears to have happened.,
I do hope Mr Fed Ex wasn’t ■■■■■■■■■■■ around with a phone or text, but let’s assume he wasn’t he could have made a very simple mistake. He might have assumed in a second that Mr AIM and Mr Minibus had had a minor bump and Mr Minibus was just pulling out. However he thought Mr Minibus would wait…and he didn’t. That’s purely conjecture at the moment.
What is interesting is why Mr Fed Ex - if the above supposition is true - didn’t do a double overtake, i.e. move into lane 3 to allow minibus into lane 2. To avoid an accident it would seem sensible. Either he couldn’t (other traffic) or perhaps bought the “trucks aren’t allowed into the outside lane mantra” expecting the minibus to stay put.
At the moment that’s all guess work as only he knows why he did what he did, poor sod.
Sorry but I am going to have to disagree. That is info from the coroners inquest that suggests he is to blame for part of the incident.
And having driven past the scene where it happened whilst actually thinking about how it happened etc, and based on the fact he had approx 12 secs covering 85ft a second minimum for taillights visible at 1000ft when in reality most are visible for 10 times that distance to react to what was happening.
I gave it a lot more thought that I normally would and maybe part of that is hindsight but I can’t see how anything could justify that he did not anticipate what was happening in advance.
Just my opinion and as I said it needs to be looked into if anyone reported the stationary truck in lane 1, and if it was why was no one dispatched to deal with it, and why when we have cameras on motorways things like this can happen and not be noticed.
I can’t see the outcome being good for the Fed ex driver but more will become clear when he has his day in court.
Back in the late eighties I was following a lorry in lane 1 of the M42 near Coleshill and suddenly his brake lights came on. Myself (and those stopped behind me) just assumed there was a queue, even though the other two lanes were moving steadily, until the Foreign driver appeared with a map and asked me in broken English the way to Kidderminster. This happened in daylight, still rather scary though. Maybe the driver in the accident was route checking, though twelve minutes is a long time, he doesn’t appear to have been ■■■■■■ with those alchohol levels but of course that will still go against him big time. Hopefully, for his sake, a defect will be found on the vehicle, I know first hand that if an airpipe ruptures the brakes stop you dead and no way can you move anywhere, as our general manager found out once when a pipe burst on my Sed Ak 400 and he piled into the back of me in his car!!
The coroner was told a lorry stopped in lane one of the motorway next to the junction 14 slip road.
The minibus slowed and stopped, and was then hit from behind by another lorry.
Hell, that answers the question why two lorry licence holders are charged with the most serious of road death charges.
We as an industry will never be quite the same again following the repercussions that will surely come after this affair has run its course.
Purely from industry loyalty, I’d hoped that the minibus had pulled quickly out of lane 1 into lane 2 and the Fed Ex couldn’t take evasive ation in time. So he was either tired, messing with his phone or bored into zombiedom.
I’m curious why the minibus was stopped in lane 1 as well?
I think I’ve read all the posts on here - has it been established yet why the AIM truck was in lane 1?
Hit from behind?
Although no one can make assumptions as only the people involved know what happened and this will come out in the police investigation, but, it had been thought that the mini bus/taxi, had pulled out into the path of the FedEx truck, and from the first photo it clearly shows the FedEx truck is alongside the AIM truck.
You would think the minibus would have moved out into lane 2 but maybe there was traffic preventing the manouver and he ended up being trapped in behind the stationary or rapidly slowing down truck. Same for the FedEx. Maybe couldn’t get out earlier enough into lane 2
) looked at this, and said: "what is the difference between a dual carriage way and a motorway? "