How is that ‘TOSH’ ‘if’ the Fed Ex driver was in lane 2 overtaking both the stopped truck and approaching minibus in lane 1.
Let me guess you also think it’s ok to put the onus onto the overtaking driver in lane 2,to give way to the panic lane change by the muppet in lane 1 who can’t drive in that case.When in that situation the onus is on the approaching driver in lane 1 to adjust his approach according to the conditions ahead and that includes giving way to overtaking traffic in lane 2.
rob22888:
This crash is just yet another black mark against this industry & example of the sorry levels we have sunk too in regards to driver standards & professionalism. I wasn’t even shocked by the story.
Day in day out I am witness to HGV drivers tailgating, bullying other road users, overtaking on roundabouts, generally driving wagons like cars, being discourteous, parking badly, looking like scruffs, being ill mannered at customers sites & leaving a mess. All at the same time forcing employers to consider/actually install internal facing cameras & alcolocks through irresponsible mobile phone use & turning up to work under the influence.
I honestly think that the industry is too far gone & the remaining professionals amongst us are forever going to continue being dragged down by the selfish desire for cheap ‘on demand’ labour by tight fisted operators.
Absolutely spot on post! Get the Battle Bowler and Flak Jacket ready though Driver!
MickM
That certainly is a spot-on post!
Sums it up very well. Coupled also with the fact that the standard of car driving is also heading towards rock bottom,
it is 'the ‘perfect storm’.
rob22888:
This crash is just yet another black mark against this industry & example of the sorry levels we have sunk too in regards to driver standards & professionalism. I wasn’t even shocked by the story.
Assuming it’s a case of Fed Ex driver having been overtaking in lane 2 and the mini bus driver pulling out to overtake the stopped truck in lane 1.Then at worse it’s a black mark against the government immigration agenda which imports East Euro driver quality issues here.Not the industry specifically.Combined with the question of the mini bus driver’s actions in not adjusting his approach to leave himself enough time,to either stop,or give way to traffic overtaking lane 2,when approaching a stopped vehicle in lane 1.
tango boy:
Driver sobs in court as he’s accused of killing eight in M1 crash after ‘stopping in slow lane for 12mins’ - The Sun apple.news/AZY-ZhIVrScW-seChyidQBg
Blimey are they sure that’s his real id.By that impression he looks a lot older than me.
Gembo:
Ive said it before, ‘driving’ a train is the esay bit.
Doing it day in and day out, and not make any mistakes is not!
Most people can either delete, rewrite or cover up their mistakes, train drivers cannot!
So long as the signals are in their favour a train driver is never going to find themselves on an effective manslaughter charge for colliding with any other vehicle,cyclist,horse rider or pedestrian etc on the line.Nor can they possibly find themselves responsible for steering a vehicle into any type of a collision situation.Nor to my knowledge are they responsible for the security of their load or condition of their vehicle.
GORDON 50:
Hopefully it will all come out in court as to what happened, till then it’s all guess work.
The news media seems to be suggesting that the Fed Ex vehicle was overtaking in lane 2 with the minibus and AIM vehicles both being in lane 1 and the minibus then getting into conflict with the Fed Ex truck owing to a panic lane change.Can’t possibly see how that warrants charges against the Fed Ex driver without other aggravating factors which should be easy enough for the same media to state by now.
One possible scenario that I’ve been thinking is that (and this very obviously is purely speculation) the Fed Ex lorry and the mini bus had been engaged in a very long elephant race prior to encountering the stationary AIM motor.
On the “who overtakes you the most” thread we have plenty of talk of these parcel types never lifting off the limiter. Is it maybe possible that we had a mini bus limited to 56mph and a “never lift off” merchant sharing the same piece of tarmac perhaps for mile after mile with numerous overtakes and reovertakes?
Perhaps other road users had witnessed this and reported their observations to the police, hence the arrest of Mr Fed Ex?
the maoster:
One possible scenario that I’ve been thinking is that (and this very obviously is purely speculation) the Fed Ex lorry and the mini bus had been engaged in a very long elephant race prior to encountering the stationary AIM motor.
On the “who overtakes you the most” thread we have plenty of talk of these parcel types never lifting off the limiter. Is it maybe possible that we had a mini bus limited to 56mph and a “never lift off” merchant sharing the same piece of tarmac perhaps for mile after mile with numerous overtakes and reovertakes?
Perhaps other road users had witnessed this and reported their observations to the police, hence the arrest of Mr Fed Ex?
I’ll go with this ,3 times today I pulled out to pass a mini bus today on m6 and 3 times the woman driver pulled away ,she was obviously yakking as she was chopping the air up with her hands , each time I’d catch her real quick and rather than tailgating or backing off I’d pull out and get along side ,she wasn’t doing it on deliberately .
MTM12:
MTM12 wrote:
As a matter of interest I searched ‘M1 lorry crash’ in Google today and selected ‘images’ as a search parameter - the results were very sobering, dozens upon dozens of pictures of incidents and crashes involving wagons. It’s very worrying, something seems to be going very wrong in this industry. Looking at some of the pictures, not keeping enough distance from the wagon in front seems to be an often repeated basic mistake.
MickM
Perhaps seaching for “M1 lorry crash” might have something to do with the proliferation of actual lorries in the images…?
Well indeed - but all these vehicles are being driven by people who have completed a level of training, passed Driving Tests and shown themselves competent to drive. If they drove at a quality anywhere near to the way they drove whilst learning or being tested these things wouldn’t happen would they.
MickM
I strongly suspect that an EE driving test standard is not as difficult as a UK one.
I strongly suspect you are wrong.In fact I know you are wrong.
First of all the UK LGV test is NOT difficult at all. It is a test like a car test to show you are capable of handling that vehicle in normal road traffic.
Then as in a car test you LEARN by gaining knowledge and experience.
Secondly the test in Europe is far more stringent and a lot are done on A frame drawbar and it takes a lot more than a few days.
Gembo:
Ive said it before, ‘driving’ a train is the esay bit.
Doing it day in and day out, and not make any mistakes is not!
Most people can either delete, rewrite or cover up their mistakes, train drivers cannot!
So long as the signals are in their favour a train driver is never going to find themselves on an effective manslaughter charge for colliding with any other vehicle,cyclist,horse rider or pedestrian etc on the line.Nor can they possibly find themselves responsible for steering a vehicle into any type of a collision situation.Nor to my knowledge are they responsible for the security of their load or condition of their vehicle.
One thing is sure, if there was a lorry stopped in lane one, but only showing standard side lights, then at that time in the morning…any time of day when the road is quiet and speeds up at lorry max…then some harsh braking and swerving was going to happen at some point, an unwarned of stationary vehicle in a live lane literally yards past a slip road would temporarily confuse the best and most switched on of us, and in the small hours they arn’t many of us exactly all that switched on, it was a disaster waiting to happen from the moment that lorry stopped.
As i said many posts ago, this case should make people think about the situation with the misnamed smart motorways.
I’ll make a little prediction here, within a short time of the smart motorways all going live and hard shoulder running becoming the norm and a good few accidents of a similar nature have happened involving stationary vehicles especially in unlit sections, i reckon the night trunkers in unlit sections and the rest of us when vision is poor such as in fog, we’ll be making our own rules up and resorting to three lane running and not using the hard shoulder at all, and sod their smart sticking plaster for a road network unable to service the population.
the maoster:
One possible scenario that I’ve been thinking is that (and this very obviously is purely speculation) the Fed Ex lorry and the mini bus had been engaged in a very long elephant race prior to encountering the stationary AIM motor.
On the “who overtakes you the most” thread we have plenty of talk of these parcel types never lifting off the limiter. Is it maybe possible that we had a mini bus limited to 56mph and a “never lift off” merchant sharing the same piece of tarmac perhaps for mile after mile with numerous overtakes and reovertakes?
Perhaps other road users had witnessed this and reported their observations to the police, hence the arrest of Mr Fed Ex?
I’ll go with this ,3 times today I pulled out to pass a mini bus today on m6 and 3 times the woman driver pulled away ,she was obviously yakking as she was chopping the air up with her hands , each time I’d catch her real quick and rather than tailgating or backing off I’d pull out and get along side ,she wasn’t doing it on deliberately .
Anyone know do fed ex have dash cams fitted ?
That could be one way of finding out
Read somewhere the minibus was either limited to 60 or had an audible alarm when exceeding that speed same as my car has but that’s set at 81 which is 70+10% +2 = 79 on the sat nav but not the speedo …
Seems like we have yet another expert on all things under the sun … dr damon stand up and take a bow, or is it uktramp or carryfast or even conor at a push in disguise …
the maoster:
One possible scenario that I’ve been thinking is that (and this very obviously is purely speculation) the Fed Ex lorry and the mini bus had been engaged in a very long elephant race prior to encountering the stationary AIM motor.
On the “who overtakes you the most” thread we have plenty of talk of these parcel types never lifting off the limiter. Is it maybe possible that we had a mini bus limited to 56mph and a “never lift off” merchant sharing the same piece of tarmac perhaps for mile after mile with numerous overtakes and reovertakes?
Perhaps other road users had witnessed this and reported their observations to the police, hence the arrest of Mr Fed Ex?
How is that Fed Ex driver’s fault bearing in mind that mini bus driver has got an artic stopped in lane 1 ahead of him.
MTM12:
MTM12 wrote:
As a matter of interest I searched ‘M1 lorry crash’ in Google today and selected ‘images’ as a search parameter - the results were very sobering, dozens upon dozens of pictures of incidents and crashes involving wagons. It’s very worrying, something seems to be going very wrong in this industry. Looking at some of the pictures, not keeping enough distance from the wagon in front seems to be an often repeated basic mistake.
MickM
Perhaps seaching for “M1 lorry crash” might have something to do with the proliferation of actual lorries in the images…?
Well indeed - but all these vehicles are being driven by people who have completed a level of training, passed Driving Tests and shown themselves competent to drive. If they drove at a quality anywhere near to the way they drove whilst learning or being tested these things wouldn’t happen would they.
MickM
I strongly suspect that an EE driving test standard is not as difficult as a UK one.
I strongly suspect you are wrong.In fact I know you are wrong.
First of all the UK LGV test is NOT difficult at all. It is a test like a car test to show you are capable of handling that vehicle in normal road traffic.
Then as in a car test you LEARN by gaining knowledge and experience.
Secondly the test in Europe is far more stringent and a lot are done on A frame drawbar and it takes a lot more than a few days.
Damon.
Ah yes of course.
DVSA pull EE drivers almost exclusively simply because they are better drivers…
Dr Damon:
I strongly suspect you are wrong.In fact I know you are wrong.
First of all the UK LGV test is NOT difficult at all. It is a test like a car test to show you are capable of handling that vehicle in normal road traffic.
Then as in a car test you LEARN by gaining knowledge and experience.
Secondly the test in Europe is far more stringent and a lot are done on A frame drawbar and it takes a lot more than a few days.
Damon.
So how many DAYS does the test take? If you mean training then yes you are probably right but as you quite clearly say test I question your expertise. Please enlighten us, what European country has a test which takes more than 1 day to complete.
