raymundo:
Read somewhere the minibus was either limited to 60 or had an audible alarm when exceeding that speed same as my car has but that’s set at 81 which is 70+10% +2 = 79 on the sat nav but not the speedo …
Seems like we have yet another expert on all things under the sun … dr damon stand up and take a bow, or is it uktramp or carryfast or even conor at a push in disguise …
What is wrong with people on this site.
No wonder the roads are a shambles if their attitudes are the same as on here.
I am no expert certainly not in Road Transport but I have a fairly comprehensive knowledge and understanding of the rules and regs and more as they are requirements for my main occupation.
I have also held a Vocational licence for over twenty years.I state a few basic facts and all I get is abuse.
It’s no wonder some truck drivers do not have a clue about anything.
It seems they do not like hearing things they do not agree with.
Secondly the test in Europe is far more stringent and a lot are done on A frame drawbar and it takes a lot more than a few days.
I had the unfortunate experienge of having to go out with a driver from LT.
He had paid the equivelent of £125 and got a C+E(CLASS 1)
He admitted it was bought
Dr Damon:
I strongly suspect you are wrong.In fact I know you are wrong.
First of all the UK LGV test is NOT difficult at all. It is a test like a car test to show you are capable of handling that vehicle in normal road traffic.
Then as in a car test you LEARN by gaining knowledge and experience.
Secondly the test in Europe is far more stringent and a lot are done on A frame drawbar and it takes a lot more than a few days.
Damon.
So how many DAYS does the test take? If you mean training then yes you are probably right but as you quite clearly say test I question your expertise. Please enlighten us, what European country has a test which takes more than 1 day to complete.
I apologise if I did not make it clear but the training is more than a few days but the driving test is conducted in one day.
There is also a written test which you can fail.
SWEDISH BLUE:
Secondly the test in Europe is far more stringent and a lot are done on A frame drawbar and it takes a lot more than a few days.
I had the unfortunate experienge of having to go out with a driver from LT.
He had paid the equivelent of £125 and got a C+E(CLASS 1)
He admitted it was bought
Gembo:
Ive said it before, ‘driving’ a train is the esay bit.
Doing it day in and day out, and not make any mistakes is not!
Most people can either delete, rewrite or cover up their mistakes, train drivers cannot!
So long as the signals are in their favour a train driver is never going to find themselves on an effective manslaughter charge for colliding with any other vehicle,cyclist,horse rider or pedestrian etc on the line.Nor can they possibly find themselves responsible for steering a vehicle into any type of a collision situation.Nor to my knowledge are they responsible for the security of their load or condition of their vehicle.
Yes they can/are, to all of the above.
So a train driver actually steers the thing not the rails and will be blamed if he hits another stopped train on the line ahead given a grren light or hits anything while manoeuvreing and shares the rails with anything from pedestrians to horses and cyclists and cars etc etc.Yeah right.
Also how long does it take to tie down a train load of freight,more like at most just checking the locks of containers,and check the condition of a half mile long train.Can’t leave much time for driving it.
Last company I worked for had dashcams but thye current one doesn’t. I know a fee drivers have their own wee cheapy ones which work well. I’m honestly thinking of it as there have been times since ive switched company that ive thought if something had turned out different i would have needed footage.
Like or not it seems to be that as a truck driver in a major road traffic incident you are cautioned, guilty and then have to set about proving your innocence. Dash cams and side cams are really our friends in these situations.
I reckon the minibus driver was sitting under the 60mph limiter because of the time of night and the fact that he has passengers on board, this allowed Mr FEDEX driver the chance to overtake. We now have vehicles occupying lanes 1 and 2. Since Mr AIM driver was sitting on lane 1 with no lights on, the minibus driver and Mr FEDEX must of clocked the stationary truck at the same time. Now at this point what happened? Did the minibus driver panic and pull across the front of Mr FEDEX to try and avoid the stationary object in lane 1? How many of us have had other road users dive in front of us to avoid something in their lane?
Dr Damon:
Are you aware the same thing happens in the UK?
Evidence?
Sorry Harry I cannot really divulge details of that on this forum.
From my point of view that would be very dangerous.
I am sure however some on here have heard stories or maybe bought one themselves!
Dr Damon:
Are you aware the same thing happens in the UK?
Evidence?
Sorry Harry I cannot really divulge details of that on this forum.
From my point of view that would be very dangerous.
I am sure however some on here have heard stories or maybe bought one themselves!
Oh come on, you can’t say something like that then not provide evidence.
It still doesn’t answer why the AIM trailer was at an angle. If he was stopped in lane 1 why wasn’t the impact to the rear of the trailer and not the side?
the maoster:
One possible scenario that I’ve been thinking is that (and this very obviously is purely speculation) the Fed Ex lorry and the mini bus had been engaged in a very long elephant race prior to encountering the stationary AIM motor.
On the “who overtakes you the most” thread we have plenty of talk of these parcel types never lifting off the limiter. Is it maybe possible that we had a mini bus limited to 56mph and a “never lift off” merchant sharing the same piece of tarmac perhaps for mile after mile with numerous overtakes and reovertakes?
Perhaps other road users had witnessed this and reported their observations to the police, hence the arrest of Mr Fed Ex?
How is that Fed Ex driver’s fault bearing in mind that mini bus driver has got an artic stopped in lane 1 ahead of him.
Roll up your tinfoil hat for a second and let’s pretend that you have the whit and capability to consider an opinion that (horror of all horrors) may actually differ from the one you have undoubtedly formed and will not be shifted from. I deliberately didn’t speculate that maybe the Fed Ex driver had seen the broken down vehicle and being mightily ■■■■■■ off with the mini bus driver decided to teach him “a lesson” by trapping him in lane one with disastrous consequences. I deliberately didn’t speculate that as I could well be way wide of the mark and thus it’s grossly unfair to even voice that.
I would have thought that any unblinkered individual reading my post would have the intelligence to read between the lines and reach that conclusion themselves. It seems that sadly you are not that person.
the maoster:
One possible scenario that I’ve been thinking is that (and this very obviously is purely speculation) the Fed Ex lorry and the mini bus had been engaged in a very long elephant race prior to encountering the stationary AIM motor.
On the “who overtakes you the most” thread we have plenty of talk of these parcel types never lifting off the limiter. Is it maybe possible that we had a mini bus limited to 56mph and a “never lift off” merchant sharing the same piece of tarmac perhaps for mile after mile with numerous overtakes and reovertakes?
Perhaps other road users had witnessed this and reported their observations to the police, hence the arrest of Mr Fed Ex?
How is that Fed Ex driver’s fault bearing in mind that mini bus driver has got an artic stopped in lane 1 ahead of him.
Roll up your tinfoil hat for a second and let’s pretend that you have the whit and capability to consider an opinion that (horror of all horrors) may actually differ from the one you have undoubtedly formed and will not be shifted from. I deliberately didn’t speculate that maybe the Fed Ex driver had seen the broken down vehicle and being mightily ■■■■■■ off with the mini bus driver decided to teach him “a lesson” by trapping him in lane one with disastrous consequences. I deliberately didn’t speculate that as I could well be way wide of the mark and thus it’s grossly unfair to even voice that.
I would have thought that any unblinkered individual reading my post would have the intelligence to read between the lines and reach that conclusion themselves. It seems that sadly you are not that person.
I like it Maoster. Second time today I have seen intelligence!
Wish there were more like you on here or am I being a bit hard and been unlucky so far?
Goodnight Gents up early tomorrow.
norm:
It still doesn’t answer why the AIM trailer was at an angle. If he was stopped in lane 1 why wasn’t the impact to the rear of the trailer and not the side?
Scania parking brake only applies tractor unit brakes, if hit up the arse a jack knife will be a likely outcome, hence in one of the clips you can see the tractor has been spun round enough to dent part of the side of the cab.
Bloody Hell Maoster, Damien’s a fan…or should that be fang
Quick while he’s decorating his coffin, you might still be early enough for Amazon Prime to get you half a dozen crucifixes before the sun sets of the morrow.
Dr Damon:
Are you aware the same thing happens in the UK?
Evidence?
Sorry Harry I cannot really divulge details of that on this forum.
From my point of view that would be very dangerous.
I am sure however some on here have heard stories or maybe bought one themselves!
Fair dues Dr Spock, you wormed your way out of that one nicely …
Carryfast:
How is that Fed Ex driver’s fault bearing in mind that mini bus driver has got an artic stopped in lane 1 ahead of him.
Roll up your tinfoil hat for a second and let’s pretend that you have the whit and capability to consider an opinion that (horror of all horrors) may actually differ from the one you have undoubtedly formed and will not be shifted from. I deliberately didn’t speculate that maybe the Fed Ex driver had seen the broken down vehicle and being mightily ■■■■■■ off with the mini bus driver decided to teach him “a lesson” by trapping him in lane one with disastrous consequences. I deliberately didn’t speculate that as I could well be way wide of the mark and thus it’s grossly unfair to even voice that.
I would have thought that any unblinkered individual reading my post would have the intelligence to read between the lines and reach that conclusion themselves. It seems that sadly you are not that person.
No I didn’t read between the lines on that basis because that would make you as bad a driver as the mini bus driver in that case.Which part of the onus would have been on the mini bus driver to either stop or make a safe lane change in the event of something stopped in lane 1 ahead,didn’t you understand. IE it doesn’t matter at that point what the motives of the Fed Ex driver might or might not have been and certainly no way for the CPS to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately ran the minibus driver into the stopped AIM truck in those circumstances regardless.Although yes in an ideal world he’d have noted any supposed potential conflict between the minibus and stopped truck in lane 1 and moved into lane 3 PDQ.But not doing so should not make the Fed Ex driver face a charge of causing death by dangerous/careless driving.That charge should/would be on the mini bus driver.
All that assuming that the Fed Ex truck was actually in lane 2,overtaking both the mini bus and the stopped AIM truck and both of those being in lane 1.
norm:
It still doesn’t answer why the AIM trailer was at an angle. If he was stopped in lane 1 why wasn’t the impact to the rear of the trailer and not the side?
I would have thought that was obvious. The Fed Ex truck ended up crashed into it with its cab. The force of that impact and probably the minibus being pushed into it as well will have pushed the AIM trailer towards the hard shoulder causing the jack knife.
From a combination of various photos it looked like the minibus ended up on the grass verge inside the AIM logistics truck (possibly even part under it and certainly the Fed Ex trailer) with its back end at right angles to it.
The overhead ‘aftermath’ photo might indicate the skid marks of the minibus as it was shunted towards and onto the hard shoulder. Under this scenario the Fed Ex truck must have struck the minibus a little way before the AIM trailer was reached, which is commensurate with the damage to the minibus whose drivers side is smashed to buggery but the n/s of the cab is relatively intact possibly indicating a collision as the minibus was pulling out to pass the stationary AIM lorry.
There was one photo I think shown in a link to a local paper which was taken from the nb carriageway looking back and it is there one can see a Ford transit vehicle which I assume to be the minibus on the verge. I now suspect the flat pack we see is in large part the roof after the fire service separated it off the body to get to the poor sods trapped inside.
If you watch the second to last video right at the very end one can see the remains of the minibus on the verge.
Indeed as you watch it I think it is difficult to see if the Fed Ex truck was in lane 1 or 2, or maybe even changing lanes and actually between the two of them before careering over towards lane 1 and the AIM truck. It seems pretty clear it is the Fed Ex truck that has pushed the minibus into the nearside.
The trailer is being prepared for lift and in later stills you can see it positioned further out with a replacement unit under it.
