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You no understand. Too many bellend in UK drive camion already throwing rubbish and drink yum yum lager.
No more bellend needed. Enough prick in big brum brum already. Many EE driver rubbish. From now on beaver speak truth all time. Fasten seat belt.
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pmsl 
I concur with Doctor Damons comments of atrocious lorry driving, and not being aware of the unexpected.
DDamon is correct in saying, the standard of driving has dropped and is getting worse.
Dannyboy went past the M1 minibus Rtc/Rta at 03.35 , the accident happened at 03.15, he witnessed appalling tailgating by lorries before the accident .
I also see tailgating in the average speed works, with lorries two inches behind cars.
I worked with an alcoholic on European work who decided to park up for the night on the side of the road in France.
It was a deep foggy night, no visabilty.
He had a drink, and was not on the side of the road but parked on the live lane .
In the 80s and 90s, drinking by lorry drivers was normal.
Arrive at Portsmouth, get ticket for ferry, go to the terminal bar, have a few pints.
Drive on ferry without hitting anything.
Find the bar on the ship, have more drinks.
A few hours kip, depart the ship.
Find bar in the port of arrival for Pernod ,an anniseed and liquorice liqueur.
Rouitiers for two hour lunch, jug of wine, apperitif drink before meal.
To stimulate appetite.
Digestive drink after meal such as Calvados, apple liqueur or brandy.
Drive a few hours.
Find restaurant, repeat above.
All above done by Uk drivers who were permanently blottoed, but never crashed or got caught for drink driving abroad.
I have been stopped by foreign motorbike and car police, who had alcohol on their breath.
They used to like brandy in their coffee.
eagerbeaver:
I find it refreshing that a few more members on here are starting to voice the truth. Brexit is happening because immigration is ■■■■■■■ the majority of the country off.Let’s bring some truths forward regarding this case. Tragic? Yes? But opportunities to learn from grim circumstances have always been there. Not long ago an EE was busy scrolling music and wiped out the majority of a family by mangling them to death under a tail lift of the truck in front. Could it have been any other driver? Maybe…but it wasn’t. It was an imported selfish dangerous knobhead.
Was the EE driver in this case ■■■■■■ and caused death? Certainly involved for sure. Imported? Probably.
Did some/most on here think initially an EE was involved? Yes. Have we all seen crap EE driving? Yes. Were most of these EE drivers imported? Probably. Do we see drivers watching laptops and reckon they will be left ■■■■■■ EE’s? Yes.
Do DVSA almost exclusively tug EE drivers? YES. Why? We all know why. Because they don’t give a f**k.
Do they park on hard shoulders? Yes. Do they run bent? Yes. Do they use magnets? Yes.
Do they chuck litter everywhere? Yes-seen it with my own eyes. Do they do illegal excessive hours? Yes. Seen it last week where I worked.
SO GIVEN ALL THE ABOVE WHY DOES THE CRAP AND CORRUPT HAULAGE INDUSTRY EMPLOY THESE SELFISH IGNORANT POORLY SKILLED DRIVERS?
Because they are cheap. Is it about time the hauliers STOP employing cheap EE labour? Yes.
WE HAVE ENOUGH CRAP DRIVING LORRIES WITHOUT IMPORTING MORE. LETS FFS START BRINGING SOME F**KING PROFESSIONALISM TO THIS INDUSTRY.
Don’t think I’ve read anything so true and accurate on this site, well said EB, I’m 100% with you mate.
Whilst tipping…
Yesterday, I was discussing this tragedy with two forklift drivers. They both said they that it wasn’t unusual to smell alcohol on delivering drivers breath as well as their demeanour.
They seemed quite blank when I said they should be reporting this to the police.
Stanley Knife:
Having looked at all the photo’s of the accident I couldn’t understand how the osf of the FedEx unit collided with the osr of the AIM trailer. Even when supermatt posted his information about the AIM lorry being stationary in lane 1 my logic said that if FedEx had been in lane 1 and seen AIM late he would either have hit the AIM trailer direct or with the nsf of the unit in trying to avoid AIM. If FedEx was in lane 2 and the minibus saw AIM late and moved into lane 2 directly into the path of FedEx then it would be the nsf of FedEx that hit the minibus.IMO this photograph shines an alternative view. The skid marks show the twin wheels of the drive wheels of the FedEX unit. The offside marks are virtually continuous but the nearside ones are more random. Is it possible that the FedEx lorry had already hit the minibus and the partial loss of traction on the nearside caused FedEx to veer? I would assume that they would have followed a course onto the hard shoulder and maybe even the grass verge but, in this case unfortunately, the AIM lorry was there. The result being osf of FedEx into osr of AIM with the minibus crushed between them.
Purely my thoughts, please feel free to disagree.
That’s a good argument there.
Remember that there are a few “Police Cultural” aspects to this as well (by “cultural” I’m not talking about race, religion etc. but the way the police, and the authorities do things - that’s all)
(1) In attempting to find fault during any RTC - then the Coroner will never say in court “So and so died because of their own stupid fault/bad judgement”. This means that very little meaningful investigation into the victim’s run-up to the wipe out seems likely. It looks very bad in the public eye indeed if anyone in authority even suggests that one or more of the deceased could have in any way contributed to this series of fatalities.
(2) The Police will be “PC conditioned” to lean towards trying to pin as much as possible on any White British Male involved. That would currently be Dave Wagstaff of course, already charged with eight counts of causing death by dangerous (rather than careless) driving.
(3) The drunk driver, who appears to have been stationary at the moment of impact - could have been tested positive for drink driving long ago already, and have not been on the road by this point as a result of an earlier “random” breath/drugs test. But… What copper is going to randomly test a white immigrant - and then get accused of “over zealous behavior towards a legal worker in the UK”, thus risking the ire of political correctness in the police workplace (which we keep getting told is “Rife”…) The RTC now having occurred though - of course means everyone involved, including anyone not normally looked at - gets breath tested as standard. “Standard procedure” trumps “culture” to put common-sense back on track then. Too late to save any lives on this occasion alas.
(4) Isn’t a minibus driver considered a “Pro Driver” like the rest of us are? - Only there are not the driving restrictions that we all have with our hours regulations, digicards, etc. Had he had enough sleep? Was tiredness in any way involved in even a momentary lapse in judgement/reactions that proved fatal?
I noticed last night driving about on my shift that there were an alarming number of taxi drivers essentially veering all over the M23 without signalling on their way to Gatwick, judging by the way they all petered out after J10 southbound. I’m talking about People-carrier style taxis steering sharply from lane three across the front of me and then slowing down going up the hill… Weaving about from lane to lane way ahead of me now… Then veering off sharply at J9/10 (Airport or Hotel for airport?) with no signals, late moves, and sharp moves each time?
WTF is taxi driving like this for on what otherwise would be the quiet bank holiday small hours?
The point I make is “Surely we can learn something as Pro Drivers from all this - to lessen the chances of anything like this happening again”…? 
Meanwhile, Notting Hill Carnival, infested by Lefties galore, gets over-policed (The Right don’t appear and attack the Left on “their” marches, - just the Left gatecrashing the Right’s marches to attack them there.) All the talk was about Grenfell still… Not a single word for the eight victims over that very same weekend! I guess they are not appealing to the working classes though really eh?
Just as arguments have been made that “Tiredness kills more people in RTCs than Alcohol and Drugs abuse combined” - Isn’t it about time we tightened up the loose ends that are letting people continue to die in avoidable incidents as the one Saturday Morning surely was? 
MTM12:
As a matter of interest I searched ‘M1 lorry crash’ in Google today and selected ‘images’ as a search parameter - the results were very sobering, dozens upon dozens of pictures of incidents and crashes involving wagons. It’s very worrying, something seems to be going very wrong in this industry. Looking at some of the pictures, not keeping enough distance from the wagon in front seems to be an often repeated basic mistake.MickM
Perhaps seaching for “M1 lorry crash” might have something to do with the proliferation of actual lorries in the images…? 
yourhavingalarf:
Whilst tipping…Yesterday, I was discussing this tragedy with two forklift drivers. They both said they that it wasn’t unusual to smell alcohol on delivering drivers breath as well as their demeanour.
They seemed quite blank when I said they should be reporting this to the police.
Same meat, different gravy, my next door neighbour has been having an extension built, with the usual EE labourers masquerading as builders turning up at all hours.
One of them pulled up in his car, around 6pm, casual as you like drinking a can of beer, and not your run of the mill cats urine strength beer!
I called the police ( I have no time for DD and my boys some times ride their bikes and scooters along the path out there ) who sent a car within 5 mins and he was breathalysed, I couldn’t hear what the copper was saying as they had a cement mixer going, but from the coppers demeanour he wasn’t that far from being over the limit, although he had just been smoking and I’m led to believe that can have an effect on the reading?
This was he third time either my wife or I had spotted him with alcohol but both times previously he’d thrown the can in the skip, this time he’d put it in his cup holder, obviously not finished.
As I said before I was genuinely unaware that there was a general drink driving issue with EE drivers.
Now whether that is actually true fact and not drivercrap bandwagon stuff, I don’t know.
What I do know is that a few are getting carried away here.
Drink driving among UK truck drivers is not by any means a problem of epidemic proportion…fact.
If it was this type of scenario would be a regular occurence with the M ways awash with ■■■■■■ up truckers running into things, It isn’t… So let’s keep things in perspective here.
Fact is one irresponsible d/head who happened to be EE, set off in a truck with too much booze on board and ended up being involved in a disaster.
Whether he, or the fact he was over the limit caused it remains to be seen, but will be proven or disproven… Whatever the verdict, he’ll pay for it… and quite rightly so.
So there’s no need for any knee jerk reactions here concerning the advocation of routine stringent strict checks on every driver in every firm before his shift as a matter of daily routine,… as if they were being security checked in an airport or hi security military establishment or something.
There is no need and it is completely over the top, so let’s not get carried away by emotion here.
Well seeing as this is turning in to a political thread,
I hope brexit means most of these EE go home,
We have bad drivers who are English and unprofessional and scruffy etc,
We have some good EE drivers that are very good…
But when I’m waiting in a que for my paperwork at an rdc and the half dozen blokes in front all talking a different language are resembling a gang outside an inner city off licence it ain’t good,
Trainers tracksuit and hoods up 
there are driving trucks in Britain ffs not riding round the park on a bike with a bottle of vodka…
I spent a lot of money getting my licence and I was proud to be a truck driver but these days when the bloke in the next truck looks like the local smack head the pride is getting knocked out of me.
This is my opinion I’m allowed it and I voted to leave the eu for this and many other reasons.
My next door neighbour is polish and a cracking fella and family we go out regular and even he says the immigration needs sorting as as he describes them the “dregs” are coming over and they provide no benefit to the British economy.
So, there we have it. From condolences to knuckle dragging in a few sentences.
And you people think you should be paid more?
Feel free to ignore me… it’s probably a bit deep for some of you.
Jingle Jon:
‘…I do wonder though, how you would feel if you were directly effected and then someone told you technology exists - that could have stopped a drunk person from driving…?’
I say ‘oh well - that’s life …or not’
Jingle Jon:
So, there we have it. From condolences to knuckle dragging in a few sentences.And you people think you should be paid more?
Feel free to ignore me… it’s probably a bit deep for some of you.
so what are you ? - some sort of supreme being ?
Jingle Jon:
So, there we have it. From condolences to knuckle dragging in a few sentences.And you people think you should be paid more?
Feel free to ignore me… it’s probably a bit deep for some of you.
I wouldn’t describe someone such as yourself who joins the name calling clearly through a fear of strong conversation and disagreement as “deep”, ignorant and easily ignored or dismissed yes, but deep nope.
Feel free to ignore me… 
Happy Keith:
Jingle Jon:
‘…I do wonder though, how you would feel if you were directly effected and then someone told you technology exists - that could have stopped a drunk person from driving…?’I say ‘oh well - that’s life …or not’
that sums it up nicely…dung happens .nobody cares except the immediate families concenred,plus the dudly doogoods on here.end of…in ee and eire then its just the way it is regarding drink driving similar to the uk in the 60s and 70s…you go out…get bladdered,theres no buses,no taxis and your too ■■■■■■ to walk…so just get in and drive home as you prob wont get stopped anyway.its becoming a tad more if a chance of being stopped,but it dont have the same attitude that it does in the uk as a whole.you sometimes see someone getting their car unlocked for them and helped in behind the wheel…then another 6 pile in and head off into the sunset.theres a few scenes of carnage but overall everyone leads a happy life.
Bluey Circles:
Jingle Jon:
So, there we have it. From condolences to knuckle dragging in a few sentences.And you people think you should be paid more?
Feel free to ignore me… it’s probably a bit deep for some of you.
so what are you ? - some sort of supreme being ?
More like another Satalinist Corbynite ‘snowflake’.
Meanwhile any self respecting ‘knuckle dragger’ would have been pointing out the irony of a mini bus full of Indians getting taken out by a chain of events which seems to possibly have been set off by an immigrant Polish driver.Notice not one post along those lines.
As opposed to to an under current of people rightly being worried about the industry and all drivers both good and bad,being unnecessarily tarnished in the eyes of the public,by an all too real imported East Euro driver quality issue.Not to mention reminding our own of the level of driving skill and responsibilities involved in the job to avoid them possibly ending up in the position of the unfortunate Fed Ex driver.Or for that matter improving safety on the roads in general by throwing out EU hours regs in favour our own updated ones providing a minimum 12 hours unbroken daily rest between shifts no ifs no buts.
CPC working then[emoji57]7 lorries + last week involved in accidents!!! My condolences go out to the families involved. This is a sad time for uk haulage?
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biggriffin:
lots of assumptions being made,when involved in a fatal crash, all drivers involved are arrested, its standard practise, and also the charge is causing death by dangerous driving, covers being on the phone, if a positive road side breath test shows then its death by driving over the prescribed limit( words to that effect)
why are people assuming its the truck drivers that have been drinking,
Not completely true that all drivers are arrested…Speaking from experience here too by the way…Just saying.And the one of the drivers was drinking and over the limit according to the radio.
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dieseldog999:
everyone leads a happy life.
Really?
Ahh good old dd999, the oldest (self proclaimed) rebel in town…
Flat to the mat, Run bent or get bent, Just stick me truck to the side of the boat the magnets’ll keep it in place. 56 is for the tacho not the speedo, to be sure.
Carryfast:
Bluey Circles:
Jingle Jon:
So, there we have it. From condolences to knuckle dragging in a few sentences.And you people think you should be paid more?
Feel free to ignore me… it’s probably a bit deep for some of you.
so what are you ? - some sort of supreme being ?
More like another Satalinist Corbynite ‘snowflake’.
Meanwhile any self respecting ‘knuckle dragger’ would have been pointing out the irony of a mini bus full of Indians getting taken out by a chain of events which seems to possibly have been set off by an immigrant Polish driver.Notice not one post along those lines.
As opposed to to an under current of people rightly being worried about the industry and all drivers both good and bad,being unnecessarily tarnished in the eyes of the public,by an all too real imported East Euro driver quality issue.Not to mention reminding our own of the level of driving skill and responsibilities involved in the job to avoid them possibly ending up in the position of the unfortunate Fed Ex driver.Or for that matter improving safety on the roads in general by throwing out EU hours regs in favour our own updated ones providing a minimum 12 hours unbroken daily rest between shifts no ifs no buts.
He has been charged nothing unfortunate it was his actions that appear to of contributed to this tragic event
