wrighty1:
But you don’t have to work 15 hours a day, that’s a choice you made when taking the job, the hours worked in this industry are hardly a secret. I agree it’s far too many hours but we all have a choice whether we do it or find something else.
Let’s talk reality here. It isn’t always as clear a choice as you make out. There are many drivers being pressurised into excess working hours. Fact. It’s time the regs were changed to prevent this to give drivers protection under the law.
I meant choice of job as in find an 8 hour a day job, unlikely to be driving but like I say it is a choice we all have.
truckman020:
not sure how quickly the accident happened but if the bus had broken down surely the minibus driver had a duty of care by getting his passengers away from the vehicle,i realise the poor guy paid for it with his life but if it happened say 10 min after the vehicle broke down he would have had time to get everyone off thereby saving his life as well as theirs,i know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we are allways being told by police/highways to get out the vehicle and stand away from it in a safe place.
The minibus wasn’t broken down, the AIM truck has been reported by a driver on here to be stopped in lane one with no brake lights or hazards on, no mention as to whether he had his tail lights on though. You can’t apportion blame too much on the minibus driver if indeed a stationary truck parked in lane one was the catalyst of the accident other than why did neither driver see the truck that was stationary in lane one.
wrighty1:
But you don’t have to work 15 hours a day, that’s a choice you made when taking the job, the hours worked in this industry are hardly a secret. I agree it’s far too many hours but we all have a choice whether we do it or find something else.
Let’s talk reality here. It isn’t always as clear a choice as you make out. There are many drivers being pressurised into excess working hours. Fact. It’s time the regs were changed to prevent this to give drivers protection under the law.
Pressureised being the operative word.
We are talking driver fatigue on this thread, nobody HAS to resort to pressure off some ■■■■ in an office do they, it’s the old backbone and balls chestnut.
When I said I work them when I want to, it wasn’t from an arsey point of view, I understand some days I need to get down as far as I do from a getting the job done pov, and I willinglly accept that, and do it.
Also on a Friday it’s less time and distance to get back on a Sat am, so that’s to my benefit…
What I will not do, or never have done is do it because some prick on a phone is trying to push me into it.
The regs need to change to protect some drivers from THEMSELVES.
You don’t have to “work” 15 hours a day. At least five of those hours will be spent resting. There are few jobs where you can get paid for sleeping in a bunk. As said above - it’s an individual choice. I spent the last three or four years before I retired working ten hour days (two or three with my feet up somewhere), and home every night.
truckman020:
not sure how quickly the accident happened but if the bus had broken down surely the minibus driver had a duty of care by getting his passengers away from the vehicle,i realise the poor guy paid for it with his life but if it happened say 10 min after the vehicle broke down he would have had time to get everyone off thereby saving his life as well as theirs,i know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we are allways being told by police/highways to get out the vehicle and stand away from it in a safe place.
The minibus wasn’t broken down, the AIM truck has been reported by a driver on here to be stopped in lane one with no brake lights or hazards on, no mention as to whether he had his tail lights on though. You can’t apportion blame too much on the minibus driver if indeed a stationary truck parked in lane one was the catalyst of the accident other than why did neither driver see the truck that was stationary in lane one.
I guess that if he was stationary in lane 1, and particularly if his vehicle was unlit, then at a location where there would be plenty of concentration needed on mirrors and vehicles in lane 2 and those exiting the motorway, then this may just have thrown a massive curve ball to both the minibus and the Fedex driver.
truckman020:
not sure how quickly the accident happened but if the bus had broken down surely the minibus driver had a duty of care by getting his passengers away from the vehicle,i realise the poor guy paid for it with his life but if it happened say 10 min after the vehicle broke down he would have had time to get everyone off thereby saving his life as well as theirs,i know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we are allways being told by police/highways to get out the vehicle and stand away from it in a safe place.
The minibus wasn’t broken down, the AIM truck has been reported by a driver on here to be stopped in lane one with no brake lights or hazards on, no mention as to whether he had his tail lights on though. You can’t apportion blame too much on the minibus driver if indeed a stationary truck parked in lane one was the catalyst of the accident other than why did neither driver see the truck that was stationary in lane one.
I guess that if he was stationary in lane 1, and particularly if his vehicle was unlit, then at a location where there would be plenty of concentration needed on mirrors and vehicles in lane 2 and those exiting the motorway, then this may just have thrown a massive curve ball to both the minibus and the Fedex driver.
Yes if traffic was exiting onto the slip road then it’s entirely possible that both drivers were unsighted to a stationary vehicle until the last second and didn’t have time to race let alone avoid or stop. Either way it still highlights the need for safe distances behind other vehicles of which I am sure we are all guilty of. You just never knows what’s around the corner so to speak.
I am new to this forum although I have been an interested observer for a while.I will introduce myself as Damon and have a big involvement in road transport in many ways.
I was originally going to comment on the self driving lorry thread as I know a fair bit about the future of this and can say it is definitely going to happen and a lot sooner than some of you seem to think.More about that later.
Now on to yesterdays horrific accident.First of all my condolences to all involved.This kind of accident is exactly why self driving vehicles will be taking over from the incompetent human being.Drivers prove time and time again they are not responsible enough to drive a car never mind a heavy truck.
This type of accident could happen to an awful lot of car and truck drivers any time any day.They will insist on driving as if nothing unexpected is going to happen.I travel up and down the country regularly and cringe when I see how litte distance vehicles leave between each other.Someone earlier said one driver did not react in time.Maybe he did not but you can probably guarantee he was also too close to the vehicle he was following for the speed he was traveling at.
Damon.
Some of you are a strange breed.I say some because I have been driving lorries since some of you were in nappies although never my main occupation.
Maybe the problem is the same reaction as I got to my first post.Drivers in general do not take anything seriously.
I have also noticed how a lot of posters on here like to blame everything but a truck driver.Sorry guys and Gals but in a lot of cases your driving is attrocious.All this talk about no time to react.The problem is many never leave time to react especially if something unexpected happens.
I could have given you some good info about driverless trucks but because a lot do not want it to happen you dismiss it the same as you dismiss the fact you could well be a bad driver.
I am new to this forum although I have been an interested observer for a while.I will introduce myself as Damon and have a big involvement in road transport in many ways.
I was originally going to comment on the self driving lorry thread as I know a fair bit about the future of this and can say it is definitely going to happen and a lot sooner than some of you seem to think.More about that later.
Now on to yesterdays horrific accident.First of all my condolences to all involved.This kind of accident is exactly why self driving vehicles will be taking over from the incompetent human being.Drivers prove time and time again they are not responsible enough to drive a car never mind a heavy truck.
This type of accident could happen to an awful lot of car and truck drivers any time any day.They will insist on driving as if nothing unexpected is going to happen.I travel up and down the country regularly and cringe when I see how litte distance vehicles leave between each other.Someone earlier said one driver did not react in time.Maybe he did not but you can probably guarantee he was also too close to the vehicle he was following for the speed he was traveling at.
Damon.
Some of you are a strange breed.I say some because I have been driving lorries since some of you were in nappies although never my main occupation.
Maybe the problem is the same reaction as I got to my first post.Drivers in general do not take anything seriously.
I have also noticed how a lot of posters on here like to blame everything but a truck driver.Sorry guys and Gals but in a lot of cases your driving is attrocious.All this talk about no time to react.The problem is many never leave time to react especially if something unexpected happens.
I could have given you some good info about driverless trucks but because a lot do not want it to happen you dismiss it the same as you dismiss the fact you could well be a bad driver.
I am new to this forum although I have been an interested observer for a while.I will introduce myself as Damon and have a big involvement in road transport in many ways.
I was originally going to comment on the self driving lorry thread as I know a fair bit about the future of this and can say it is definitely going to happen and a lot sooner than some of you seem to think.More about that later.
Now on to yesterdays horrific accident.First of all my condolences to all involved.This kind of accident is exactly why self driving vehicles will be taking over from the incompetent human being.Drivers prove time and time again they are not responsible enough to drive a car never mind a heavy truck.
This type of accident could happen to an awful lot of car and truck drivers any time any day.They will insist on driving as if nothing unexpected is going to happen.I travel up and down the country regularly and cringe when I see how litte distance vehicles leave between each other.Someone earlier said one driver did not react in time. Maybe he did not but you can probably guarantee he was also too close to the vehicle he was following for the speed he was traveling at.
Damon.
Some of you are a strange breed.I say some because I have been driving lorries since some of you were in nappies although never my main occupation.
Maybe the problem is the same reaction as I got to my first post.Drivers in general do not take anything seriously.
I have also noticed how a lot of posters on here like to blame everything but a truck driver.Sorry guys and Gals but in a lot of cases your driving is attrocious.All this talk about no time to react.The problem is many never leave time to react especially if something unexpected happens.
I could have given you some good info about driverless trucks but because a lot do not want it to happen you dismiss it the same as you dismiss the fact you could well be a bad driver.
Drive safely
Damon.
Quite a statement when we are all unaware of the actual facts of this case, apparently one artic had stopped in lane 1 for an as yet unknown reason, maybe breakdown, maybe driver stupidity, maybe something in between. We don’t know whether either truck driver was on day 1 or day 6 of their week, whether either had just had a break in NP or had been driving several hours. We also don’t know how many days and hours per day that the mini-bus driver had been working or driving since a decent break.
Possible scenario: stationary vehicle in lane 1, mini-bus also in lane 1, 2nd artic in lane 2, neither spot the fact that there is a stationary vehicle in lane 1 until almost on top of it, mini-bus pulls into the path of the 2nd artic rather than breaking/going for the hard shoulder at a point where there is no possibility of either human or computer reacting to avoid a collision.
If we’re saying the AIM truck was stopped in lane 1 without lights etc and this caused the accident then why would they BOTH be charged with death by dangerous if all the other driver has done is driven into something he wouldn’t have seen?
Got to be more to it than that and don’t think we will ever know fully
I am new to this forum although I have been an interested observer for a while.I will introduce myself as Damon and have a big involvement in road transport in many ways.
I was originally going to comment on the self driving lorry thread as I know a fair bit about the future of this and can say it is definitely going to happen and a lot sooner than some of you seem to think.More about that later.
Now on to yesterdays horrific accident.First of all my condolences to all involved.This kind of accident is exactly why self driving vehicles will be taking over from the incompetent human being.Drivers prove time and time again they are not responsible enough to drive a car never mind a heavy truck.
This type of accident could happen to an awful lot of car and truck drivers any time any day.They will insist on driving as if nothing unexpected is going to happen.I travel up and down the country regularly and cringe when I see how litte distance vehicles leave between each other.Someone earlier said one driver did not react in time. Maybe he did not but you can probably guarantee he was also too close to the vehicle he was following for the speed he was traveling at.
Damon.
Some of you are a strange breed.I say some because I have been driving lorries since some of you were in nappies although never my main occupation.
Maybe the problem is the same reaction as I got to my first post.Drivers in general do not take anything seriously.
I have also noticed how a lot of posters on here like to blame everything but a truck driver.Sorry guys and Gals but in a lot of cases your driving is attrocious.All this talk about no time to react.The problem is many never leave time to react especially if something unexpected happens.
I could have given you some good info about driverless trucks but because a lot do not want it to happen you dismiss it the same as you dismiss the fact you could well be a bad driver.
Drive safely
Damon.
Quite a statement when we are all unaware of the actual facts of this case, apparently one artic had stopped in lane 1 for an as yet unknown reason, maybe breakdown, maybe driver stupidity, maybe something in between. We don’t know whether either truck driver was on day 1 or day 6 of their week, whether either had just had a break in NP or had been driving several hours. We also don’t know how many days and hours per day that the mini-bus driver had been working or driving since a decent break.
Possible scenario: stationary vehicle in lane 1, mini-bus also in lane 1, 2nd artic in lane 2, neither spot the fact that there is a stationary vehicle in lane 1 until almost on top of it, mini-bus pulls into the path of the 2nd artic rather than breaking/going for the hard shoulder at a point where there is no possibility of either human or computer reacting to avoid a collision.
So in this scenario why would mr FedEx be charged for section 1 death by dangerous driving if the mini Bus has pulled out in front of him?
Santa:
You don’t have to “work” 15 hours a day. At least five of those hours will be spent resting. There are few jobs where you can get paid for sleeping in a bunk. As said above - it’s an individual choice. I spent the last three or four years before I retired working ten hour days (two or three with my feet up somewhere), and home every night.
So nobody is tipping while on break these days? Do you feel 15 hour shifts are acceptable in the 21st century? Bearing in mind that some of those who do will not be having the breaks you speak, of that I am in no doubt.
Rowley010:
If we’re saying the AIM truck was stopped in lane 1 without lights etc and this caused the accident then why would they BOTH be charged with death by dangerous if all the other driver has done is driven into something he wouldn’t have seen?
Got to be more to it than that and don’t think we will ever know fully
Those questions and others will be answered when the evidence is presented in court.
wrighty1:
I meant choice of job as in find an 8 hour a day job, unlikely to be driving but like I say it is a choice we all have.
You think it’s acceptable to work 15 hour shifts in the 21st century?
Where have I said it’s acceptable, in fact I’ve stated that it’s far too many hours. Maybe try reading all of the post rather than the bits you can pick at
Rowley010:
If we’re saying the AIM truck was stopped in lane 1 without lights etc and this caused the accident then why would they BOTH be charged with death by dangerous if all the other driver has done is driven into something he wouldn’t have seen?
Got to be more to it than that and don’t think we will ever know fully
Those questions and others will be answered when the evidence is presented in court.
Exactly, but they must have got a certain amount evidence so far even for the crown procesuction service to go ahead with charging them, and to charge for something as serious as that.
The reason so many are doing 15 hour days, regularly, i’m not comparing with the odd time everyone has run up to max due to the myriad of unforseen ■■■■ ups we can encounter, is because they are being planned and pressured into 15s and for many the money is so ■■■■ poor that they’re having to work 15s to make a living, then there’s those who actually are addicted to the bloody hours and feel cheated if they only manage to get a lowly 60 hours in.
No it isn’t on and its high time some bugger with some clout took this on board…as i said before hopefully some bugger with some nous will look at this once we’ve extracted ourselves from the EU scam, breath not held about that mind with those from the house of betrayal currently in charge.
Juddian:
Am i the only one who breathed a slight sigh of relief when learning of the name of the alleged over the limit driver, and another slight sigh of relief now that he is confirmed from another country.
No, i’m not finger pointing or suggesting we natives are any better or worse drivers or people, it’s purely an admission that i was slightly relieved, and i’m not sure how i feel about myself over that either.
No, you aren’t the only one!
Yet another Eastern European appears to be under the impression they can come across to our “once great” Island and act as they do in their third world, backward [zb]!
It’s scum like this that need lethal injections!
Good posts, the both of you.
Yeah 'cause no British truck driver has ever crashed when ■■■■■■ up? The xenophobic ■■■■■■■■ from some ■■■■■■■■■ on here is depressing in its stupidity.
wrighty1:
You think it’s acceptable to work 15 hour shifts in the 21st century?
Where have I said it’s acceptable, in fact I’ve stated that it’s far too many hours. Maybe try reading all of the post rather than the bits you can pick at
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Your opinion was sought but like many on here they don’t read properly. Maybe try treating a question as a question rather than a statement!
