Possibly, but more likely to do with the fact he’s consumed booze… details to come… but he might just have accepted his destiny and figured it’s time to get on with it.
You say it like he has the choice of remand or not, maybe that’s a new thing far more likely that he’s deemed to be a flight risk.
Nothing new about it.
He has a right to request bail. He has a right to not request bail.
So in effect he does have a choice.
The flight risk is very low. And we have the ability to bring him back. I think it’s more likely that he has followed the advice of his legal brief and possible that he is considered a suicide risk - the latter… someone else mentioned.
If he has been refused bail. He can still appeal that decision in front of a judge. He could be granted Judges Bail.
I don’t have the details. Do you?
If he thinks he’ll get a custodial sentence, he can request to be remanded into custody. Any time spent on remand is taken off his sentence as he’s already served it. Since time spent on remand is easier, it’s a very common option.
corij:
dont take what is in the papers as gospel. Especially when theres a quick cut n dried verdict. watch closely the news and think it through
im not sure who is in charge of telling the press what to print/or not to print but somebody high up is -i say as iv followed news and a lot is carefully crafted . only a few days ago there was a vid on youtube of a guy smashing up a tescos windows in lancashire because they wouldnt serve him alcohol. this was not the case [theres a different back story] but thats what the press wrote . it fits -but not true
that could well be the case with this awful crash, " drunk at the wheel " fits nicely doesnt it . the only ones who will know the real truth are the drivers /coppers
I’m sure it’s pretty much ‘cut n dry’ with matters such as drink driving. There is a legal limit and the police work to those specifics. They would not charge him with being over the limit - if it was not backed up with science, otherwise he would be ‘not guilty’. No points for wasting their own time etc…
I think most people know the press use their wording in a stirring manner.
he will have blown a positive breath sample at the accident scene, he will have then been taken too a custody suite where he will have been givin the choice of two more breath samples on a bigger machine where the lesser result of the two is taken or he could opt for blood sample by a police doctor or simply refuse to co operate, i dont think would be made up to suit the story.
Yes, I think that’s pretty much what I said… although I wasn’t aware of the processes.
Sad to hear of this accident, and my thoughts are for the victims. Regarding Drink driving,In Sweden for Instance,Im nearly sure if driving any vehicle, and breath tested ,and ’ any 'alcohol level found, its an automatic three month sentance. I had an accident there due to black ice, some years ago,and the first thing the Police did on arrival was the breath Test. I think if you drive, especially HGV this should be the norm for the UK, it will make people think twice, and no doubt save lives.
Juddian:
Am i the only one who breathed a slight sigh of relief when learning of the name of the alleged over the limit driver, and another slight sigh of relief now that he is confirmed from another country.
No, i’m not finger pointing or suggesting we natives are any better or worse drivers or people, it’s purely an admission that i was slightly relieved, and i’m not sure how i feel about myself over that either.
No, you aren’t the only one!
Yet another Eastern European appears to be under the impression they can come across to our “once great” Island and act as they do in their third world, backward ■■■■■■■■■
Captain Caveman 76:
If he thinks he’ll get a custodial sentence, he can request to be remanded into custody. Any time spent on remand is taken off his sentence as he’s already served it. Since time spent on remand is easier, it’s a very common option.
Yes, I have the benefit of having a lawyer in the family… We discuss law (not specific to her clients) on a regular basis… especially since she is about to begin her masters…
It’s as you say… although there’s other factors too… not exhaustively: When it is obvious the accused is ‘Guilty’ not going to plead ‘Not Guilty’, the brief will likely understand all of the parameters of this persons immediate specifics. It’s very likely he’s broken - very emotional, feeling the weight of the world etc. In these circumstances, the Brief is likely to advise not applying for bail.
Being in custody means he can be closely monitored. Beyond that, he’s… as you have said, accepted his sentence will be custodial and by not applying for bail, sends a signal to the court that he accepts responsibility for his crime. The latter may in some small way reduce the sentence imposed. Although in this instance… just my own guess… we could be looking at a deterrent example being set as a consideration of the sentence.
You’ve perhaps inadvertently nailed why many of us despair by acknowledging:
yourhavingalarf:
‘…If alcohol is a factor in this one, like others have said there may well be new legislation coming … ■■■■■■■■ drinkers and confirmed alcoholics will find ways around devices, legislation and moral standards to carry on the habit…’
I’m regularly pee’d off with being treated as a Muppet, eg, four out of my x5 CPC modules were identical, whilst the actual Muppets (whether professionals or ‘Joe Motorist’) crack-on with their daftness …as is their right, of course
As such, I’m in no rush to encourage more Nannying but am wholly behind nailing miscreants - albeit liberals might suggest I’m heartless for those killed and that all hazards ought to be eradicated at ANY expense, ie, by pushing for driverless vehicle ‘pods’ becoming funkily piloted in soul-less & profit-mongering convoy: Yikes
Juddian:
Am i the only one who breathed a slight sigh of relief when learning of the name of the alleged over the limit driver, and another slight sigh of relief now that he is confirmed from another country.
No, i’m not finger pointing or suggesting we natives are any better or worse drivers or people, it’s purely an admission that i was slightly relieved, and i’m not sure how i feel about myself over that either.
Juddian:
Can understand why you didn’t see him at first, you simply don’t expect a vehicle to be stopped in a live lane without hazards on at the very least.
One of the first rules of survival on night trunking is always expect to find something stopped without lights,let alone hazards,in a live lane on an unlit motorway.Judicious use of main beam being essential in that even at the risk of inconveniencing oncoming traffic.
Together with a sharp eye for big speed differentials well ahead in all cases regardless night or day.As I said the job is ( a lot ) more skilled than that of a train driver and it needs to start being viewed as such by all concerned.
biggriffin:
The easiest way and simplest way to do drivers hours is 12hrs on 12hrs off. No reduce rest allowed, keep the 15hr spread but still 12hrs off, don’t change weekly rest times,
No. It’s time this malarkey was consigned to history. 12 hour days is still 50% more than the average worker does. 15 has been extracting the urine for far too long.
Happy Keith:
You’ve perhaps inadvertently nailed why many of us despair by acknowledging:
yourhavingalarf:
‘…If alcohol is a factor in this one, like others have said there may well be new legislation coming … ■■■■■■■■ drinkers and confirmed alcoholics will find ways around devices, legislation and moral standards to carry on the habit…’
I’m regularly pee’d off with being treated as a Muppet, eg, four out of my x5 CPC modules were identical, whilst the actual Muppets (whether professionals or ‘Joe Motorist’) crack-on with their daftness …as is their right, of course
As such, I’m in no rush to encourage more Nannying but am wholly behind nailing miscreants - albeit liberals might suggest I’m heartless for those killed and that all hazards ought to be eradicated at ANY expense, ie, by pushing for driverless vehicle ‘pods’ becoming funkily piloted in soul-less & profit-mongering convoy: Yikes
Unfortunately we have to deal with the fact that there are some very arrogant, stupid individuals with a HGV licence, who are not controlled either by morals or law.
Whilst technology may not be perfect, any investment in said technology is likely to result in more investment on advancing the technology.
I do wonder though, how you would feel if you were directly effected and then someone told you technology exists - that could have stopped a drunk person from driving?
Juddian:
Am i the only one who breathed a slight sigh of relief when learning of the name of the alleged over the limit driver, and another slight sigh of relief now that he is confirmed from another country.
No, i’m not finger pointing or suggesting we natives are any better or worse drivers or people, it’s purely an admission that i was slightly relieved, and i’m not sure how i feel about myself over that either.
No, you aren’t the only one!
Yet another Eastern European appears to be under the impression they can come across to our “once great” Island and act as they do in their third world, backward [zb]!
It’s scum like this that need lethal injections!
Oh boy…we were never been short of scum in this country prior to the mass influx from the EU. I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest EU nationals are better or worse than Brits.
I am new to this forum although I have been an interested observer for a while.I will introduce myself as Damon and have a big involvement in road transport in many ways.
I was originally going to comment on the self driving lorry thread as I know a fair bit about the future of this and can say it is definitely going to happen and a lot sooner than some of you seem to think.More about that later.
Now on to yesterdays horrific accident.First of all my condolences to all involved.This kind of accident is exactly why self driving vehicles will be taking over from the incompetent human being.Drivers prove time and time again they are not responsible enough to drive a car never mind a heavy truck.
This type of accident could happen to an awful lot of car and truck drivers any time any day.They will insist on driving as if nothing unexpected is going to happen.I travel up and down the country regularly and cringe when I see how litte distance vehicles leave between each other.Someone earlier said one driver did not react in time.Maybe he did not but you can probably guarantee he was also too close to the vehicle he was following for the speed he was traveling at.
There have been fatal collisions on the A5 in the Hinkley Bottom/Crick area Laybys where a badly lit and badly parked artic got rear-ended whilst stationary by another truck driving too fast on that stretch of road.
Of the two truckers involved in this dreadful RTC, one driver has been named as Dave Wagstaff already. Age 53. He’s the sober one.
The other driver has been named as Ryszard Masierak age 31, who tested over the alcohol limit.
It wasn’t made clear from the article which driver drove which truck - but I would imagine that Dave Wagstaff being of Stoke (likely the origin of the fedex truck) puts him firmly in that cab.
Ryszard Masierak is announced as being from Worcestershire.
Dave Wagstaff has been charged with Eight counts of Causing Death by Dangerous Driving.
Ryszard Masierak has also been charged with eight counts of Causing Death by Dangerous driving, eight counts of causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence, and four counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.
I am new to this forum although I have been an interested observer for a while.I will introduce myself as Damon and have a big involvement in road transport in many ways.
I was originally going to comment on the self driving lorry thread as I know a fair bit about the future of this and can say it is definitely going to happen and a lot sooner than some of you seem to think.More about that later.
Now on to yesterdays horrific accident.First of all my condolences to all involved.This kind of accident is exactly why self driving vehicles will be taking over from the incompetent human being.Drivers prove time and time again they are not responsible enough to drive a car never mind a heavy truck.
This type of accident could happen to an awful lot of car and truck drivers any time any day.They will insist on driving as if nothing unexpected is going to happen.I travel up and down the country regularly and cringe when I see how litte distance vehicles leave between each other.Someone earlier said one driver did not react in time.Maybe he did not but you can probably guarantee he was also too close to the vehicle he was following for the speed he was traveling at.
Juddian:
Am i the only one who breathed a slight sigh of relief when learning of the name of the alleged over the limit driver, and another slight sigh of relief now that he is confirmed from another country.
No, i’m not finger pointing or suggesting we natives are any better or worse drivers or people, it’s purely an admission that i was slightly relieved, and i’m not sure how i feel about myself over that either.
Very interesting, and honest post, Juddian.
You feel the same as most of us do Juddian. Totally ■■■■■■ off with this ridiculous wave of ■■■■■■ up crap EE drivers we have had over the last decade. Films on laptops, Romanian cab dances, phones welded to ears, cans of Tyskie lager and bottles of vodka everywhere, duplicate cards, magnets, complete disregard for this country and it’s inhabitants.
Only last week I was working for Whistl, and a Polish subbie got kicked off site when it came to light he was working 6 days EVERY WEEK (The same one that woke me up in the yard when he rammed the jaws of his fifth wheel into the loaded trailer he was trying to hook up to next to me… Knobhead )
Winseer:
There have been fatal collisions on the A5 in the Hinkley Bottom/Crick area Laybys where a badly lit and badly parked artic got rear-ended whilst stationary by another truck driving too fast on that stretch of road.
Of the two truckers involved in this dreadful RTC, one driver has been named as Dave Wagstaff already. Age 53. He’s the sober one.
The other driver has been named as Ryszard Masierak age 31, who tested over the alcohol limit.
It wasn’t made clear from the article which driver drove which truck - but I would imagine that Dave Wagstaff being of Stoke (likely the origin of the fedex truck) puts him firmly in that cab.
Ryszard Masierak is announced as being from Worcestershire.
Dave Wagstaff has been charged with Eight counts of Causing Death by Dangerous Driving.
Ryszard Masierak has also been charged with eight counts of Causing Death by Dangerous driving, eight counts of causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence, and four counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.
far more likely that he’s deemed to be a flight risk.
(The same one that woke me up in the yard when he rammed the jaws of his fifth wheel into the loaded trailer he was trying to hook up to next to me… Knobhead )