Possibly, but more likely to do with the fact he’s consumed booze… details to come… but he might just have accepted his destiny and figured it’s time to get on with it.
You say it like he has the choice of remand or not, maybe that’s a new thing far more likely that he’s deemed to be a flight risk.
Nothing new about it.
He has a right to request bail. He has a right to not request bail.
So in effect he does have a choice.
The flight risk is very low. And we have the ability to bring him back. I think it’s more likely that he has followed the advice of his legal brief and possible that he is considered a suicide risk - the latter… someone else mentioned.
If he has been refused bail. He can still appeal that decision in front of a judge. He could be granted Judges Bail.
I don’t have the details. Do you?
Obviously not and not up to speed on the legal system as you seem to be. I wonder how you determine the flight risk to be low if he’s a foreign national, whether there are agreements in place or not it is far easier to keep him on remand than go through the hassle of tracking him down if he does run.
Just my opinion.
Right…haven’t all the way through this topic…but…just looking at some of the pictures online…has the Fed Ex motor sandwiched the minibus into the back of the AIM Logistics motor?
In which case, if that is what happened…I’m guessing the AIM driver had to have been making a dodgy move to be charged with causing death by dangerous driving…otherwise, if he was merely minding his own business, albeit under the influence, and the Fed Ex driver has failed to stop in time…how has the AIM driver “caused death”?
Don’t get me wrong, no sympathy for the driver over the limit getting what he deserves…just genuinely interested into how they make these charging decisions.
Having worked for AIM I know that the owners will be horrified that one of their drivers has contributed to the tragic deaths of those people.
DonutUK:
Right…haven’t all the way through this topic…but…just looking at some of the pictures online…has the Fed Ex motor sandwiched the minibus into the back of the AIM Logistics motor?
In which case, if that is what happened…I’m guessing the AIM driver had to have been making a dodgy move to be charged with causing death by dangerous driving…otherwise, if he was merely minding his own business, albeit under the influence, and the Fed Ex driver has failed to stop in time…how has the AIM driver “caused death”?
Don’t get me wrong, no sympathy for the driver over the limit getting what he deserves…just genuinely interested into how they make these charging decisions.
Having worked for AIM I know that the owners will be horrified that one of their drivers has contributed to the tragic deaths of those people.
You are correct there the dad is a decent fair man.But the office planners was a pain!!
robroy:
Driver fatigue has always been a major player in this job.
As for doing nights, I briefly tried it once, one week days alternately, but could not hack it, (the nights)
I found it difficult to go to bed through the day and sleep…no matter how tired I felt, so I would wake up after a max of 3 or 4 hours, feel ok, but half way through the shift feel wrecked.
This is quite common, especially for people not used to running nights. One of the main reasons is that people assume they should replicate their daytime work pattern - but at night. This simply does not work for most people.
The best work around is to go straight to bed when you get home from your shift and wake earlier before you go to work. It’s the opposite pattern of what we tend to do when running days.
Recognising the first signs of fatigue is also important… one of which is when the lights of oncoming vehicles cause above average discomfort. This is a clear indicator that you should be pulling over.
One of the main problems with fatigue is that it sneaks up and your’e likely to be asleep at the wheel without being able to resist.
robroy:
So why is it acceptable for a guy to take 44 tonnes down a motorway on those terms.
The old system of 12 and a half spreadover with 11 and half off (afai recall) was a much safer system.
As for wages, then [zb] the employers they would have to adjust and adapt, to bring driving into 21 century conditions.
Yip, that’s the way forward. It would be a level playing field so we could compete on that basis.
The current system is way too dangerous.
This does not mitigate the drink driving issues which should be cracked down on. Any amount of fatigue is going to be exacerbated with the addition of booze.
I think we should have mandatory testing. Not sure what the form should be - it must be both reliable and economical - then there’s no excuse.
It was the sun coming up for some reason that made me feel really tired I just had to pull over, but I wonder how many do not pull over, but instead succumb to office pressure, and crack on with window open feeling totally crap.
As for the booze thing…can I just make it clear to everyone that I am, (as everybody else should be) totally disapproving of anybody who drives while under the influence of far too much alchohol, and especially a professional driver.
As for having a beer with a meal ?
(not ‘need’ but choice btw)
we will just have to agree to differ on that one.
(The fact that we agree on anything is at least a start eh ? )
Possibly, but more likely to do with the fact he’s consumed booze… details to come… but he might just have accepted his destiny and figured it’s time to get on with it.
You say it like he has the choice of remand or not, maybe that’s a new thing far more likely that he’s deemed to be a flight risk.
The flight risk is very low. And we have the ability to bring him back. I think it’s more likely that he has followed the advice of his legal brief and possible that he is considered a suicide risk - the latter… someone else mentioned.
Finland has apparently carelessly mislaid 5000 migrants, though if they’re mislaid there could be twenty times more in number that they don’t know about, and that’s underpopulated Finland, who knows just how many migrants are unaccounted for, or how many the UK don’t know they have so can’t even be missing and those responsible hoping they’ll be forgotten in the rest of the corrupt EU.
So i wouldn’t be too sure that the powers responsible could locate one missing bail dodger as easily as you suggest, and i suspect they don’t want to risk it either.
DonutUK:
Right…haven’t all the way through this topic…but…just looking at some of the pictures online…has the Fed Ex motor sandwiched the minibus into the back of the AIM Logistics motor?
In which case, if that is what happened…I’m guessing the AIM driver had to have been making a dodgy move to be charged with causing death by dangerous driving…otherwise, if he was merely minding his own business, albeit under the influence, and the Fed Ex driver has failed to stop in time…how has the AIM driver “caused death”?
Don’t get me wrong, no sympathy for the driver over the limit getting what he deserves…just genuinely interested into how they make these charging decisions.
Having worked for AIM I know that the owners will be horrified that one of their drivers has contributed to the tragic deaths of those people.
I work for FedEx, and I dread to think how the person felt in the office on taking a 'phone call to say one of your trucks has been involved in a fatal accident.
That driver probably left the yard at the same time as myself, around 02.00.
It’s pointless anyone making assumptions at this time, I can see that Trucknet CSI has been on the case again and people are coming up with the answers.
Non of us were there, so don’t make a judgment based on newspaper reports or second hand opinions.
Let the authorities do their job and make a clear statement on the what’s and if’s.
Just thank the Lord that you and I did not wake up this morning hoping yesterday was only a bad dream, then to find out the true horror of their situation.
Even if found to be blameless, to be involved in anything like this will be with you for the rest of your life.
Prayers and condolences to all involved.
buses:
Would the company be looked in to regarding this ie night shift so if he was drunk were there any signs etc?
I mean to stop in a live lane is madness but to have no lights advising overs is just sick.Sitting duck.
The company will be absolutely ripped to shreads in the search for evidence and wrongdoing. I do hope everything is done properly with them. We had a couple of fatal accidents when I was at Virginia and I saw first hand how shook up it made the lads who owned the company, hit them really hard, so can only imagine how bad this is for everyone concerned.
I was coming through the roadworks at Sandbach/Knutsford yesterday morning.
As well as the usual non lane discipline crew , we also had the Bank holiday only M.way drivers to contend with, …running down the middle lane at 42mph, nose to tail like some kind of ■■■■ slow moving carnival procession. All refusing to either overtake in lane 3, or move back in to lane 1 as they are supposed to.
There was about 6 or 7 trucks following them, no doubt ■■■■■■ off, and a couple undertaking the cars.
If this lane hogging thing for miles isn’t a frustration trigger and a recipe for ( similar as the thread subject) potential disaster I don’t know what is.
Where are the Motorway Police to sort this everyday problem out?
wrighty1:
Obviously not and not up to speed on the legal system as you seem to be. I wonder how you determine the flight risk to be low if he’s a foreign national, whether there are agreements in place or not it is far easier to keep him on remand than go through the hassle of tracking him down if he does run.
Just my opinion.
The flight risk is determined on a number of factors. Not least of these is the character of the accused.
What little we do know is this was a person doing a job of employment. Not a pre-planned act of criminality - not a robbery or burglary… with a planned get-away!
Given that we do not know where he is from - basically his address is in the U.K, it is just an assumption that because he has a foreign name - that he is from outside the U.K.
Even if he is from outside the U.K. There are several factors that would make it very difficult for him to successfully abscond - especially when we take into consideration he’s just an everyday person doing a job.
Moving on from that, if he did abscond - where could he go. His personal details are already recorded. It would be a simple case of trace and return to the courts.
In the eyes of the law - he is still not convicted of anything. His rights are the same as any other person regardless of where he was born.
If the AIM was stopped with no hazards in a live lane, it is possible that the minibus hit it before the FedEx arrived.
If such a violent impact (the minibus driver had a 60 mph buzzer so may well have been doing that), then it is possible that all the rearward facing lights of both vehicles were extinguished.
If that was the case, then the FedEx driver may not have had time to react before impact, in other words, not necessarily a rear end fault case.
Obviously, non of these ‘ifs’ may have been the cause. In which case those that really have to work it out must be praying for some dashcam footage.
Lastly, before we go on an EE witch hunt, I have known many born and bred English people with foreign names.
bubsy06:
Nothing said about the vehicle that cut across in front of the AIM lorry causing him to jackknife and the fed ex having nowhere to go except into the minibus.
If, as supermatt states, the AIM lorry was parked up after the slip road ten minutes before the accident it’s highly unlikely that your scenario took place.
supermatt:
I passed the scene around 10 minutes before it happened . . .
The AIM logistics HGV was parked in lane 1 of the M1 S/B with parking brake on NO HAZARDS, NO BRAKE LIGHTS just before the bridge but after the slip road.
dont take what is in the papers as gospel. Especially when theres a quick cut n dried verdict. watch closely the news and think it through
im not sure who is in charge of telling the press what to print/or not to print but somebody high up is -i say as iv followed news and a lot is carefully crafted . only a few days ago there was a vid on youtube of a guy smashing up a tescos windows in lancashire because they wouldnt serve him alcohol. this was not the case [theres a different back story] but thats what the press wrote . it fits -but not true
that could well be the case with this awful crash, " drunk at the wheel " fits nicely doesnt it . the only ones who will know the real truth are the drivers /coppers
corij:
dont take what is in the papers as gospel. Especially when theres a quick cut n dried verdict. watch closely the news and think it through
im not sure who is in charge of telling the press what to print/or not to print but somebody high up is -i say as iv followed news and a lot is carefully crafted . only a few days ago there was a vid on youtube of a guy smashing up a tescos windows in lancashire because they wouldnt serve him alcohol. this was not the case [theres a different back story] but thats what the press wrote . it fits -but not true
that could well be the case with this awful crash, " drunk at the wheel " fits nicely doesnt it . the only ones who will know the real truth are the drivers /coppers
I’m sure it’s pretty much ‘cut n dry’ with matters such as drink driving. There is a legal limit and the police work to those specifics. They would not charge him with being over the limit - if it was not backed up with science, otherwise he would be ‘not guilty’. No points for wasting their own time etc…
I think most people know the press use their wording in a stirring manner.
Am i the only one who breathed a slight sigh of relief when learning of the name of the alleged over the limit driver, and another slight sigh of relief now that he is confirmed from another country.
No, i’m not finger pointing or suggesting we natives are any better or worse drivers or people, it’s purely an admission that i was slightly relieved, and i’m not sure how i feel about myself over that either.
corij:
dont take what is in the papers as gospel. Especially when theres a quick cut n dried verdict. watch closely the news and think it through
im not sure who is in charge of telling the press what to print/or not to print but somebody high up is -i say as iv followed news and a lot is carefully crafted . only a few days ago there was a vid on youtube of a guy smashing up a tescos windows in lancashire because they wouldnt serve him alcohol. this was not the case [theres a different back story] but thats what the press wrote . it fits -but not true
that could well be the case with this awful crash, " drunk at the wheel " fits nicely doesnt it . the only ones who will know the real truth are the drivers /coppers
I’m sure it’s pretty much ‘cut n dry’ with matters such as drink driving. There is a legal limit and the police work to those specifics. They would not charge him with being over the limit - if it was not backed up with science, otherwise he would be ‘not guilty’. No points for wasting their own time etc…
I think most people know the press use their wording in a stirring manner.
he will have blown a positive breath sample at the accident scene, he will have then been taken too a custody suite where he will have been givin the choice of two more breath samples on a bigger machine where the lesser result of the two is taken or he could opt for blood sample by a police doctor or simply refuse to co operate, i dont think would be made up to suit the story.
far more likely that he’s deemed to be a flight risk.
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and those responsible hoping they’ll be forgotten in the rest of the corrupt EU.
