Lorry drivers that tailgate motorists in roadworks

[bluey_circles]

tommy t:

albion1971:
Tommy you keep going on about muppet car drivers.
What’s your view on the muppet truck driver in the clip?

i don’t have a view of him, I see muppet car drivers when driving a car myself, there are many Muppet’s/lemmings on our roads and the majority are car drivers Some days it’s like running the gauntlet on local roads it’s seems like they have all been or are going to a muppet convention on how not to drive, some may as well wear blinkers, even out walking you aren’t safe from the muppetry, In part the country is too densely populated there are too many cars on the roads hence the high muppet count, in urban areas

although as I said earlier the driver in your video was far from impressive with his aggressive driving … I do think the last example, the idiot in the land rover, was a good example of what you have been trying to explain … I’m guessing from the vehicle he or she is driving they haven’t just past their test, so how come they are so clueless at joining a motorway, they’re either totally incompetent or playing with a mobile phone or something, either way they shouldn’t have a driving licence.

[robroy]

tommy t:

albion1971:
Tommy you keep going on about muppet car drivers.
What’s your view on the muppet truck driver in the clip?

i don’t have a view of him, I see muppet car drivers when driving a car myself, there are many Muppet’s/lemmings on our roads and the majority are car drivers Some days it’s like running the gauntlet on local roads it’s seems like they have all been or are going to a muppet convention on how not to drive, some may as well wear blinkers, even out walking you aren’t safe from the muppetry, In part the country is too densely populated there are too many cars on the roads hence the high muppet count, in urban areas

Tommy mate, all what you say is true on this, nobody is arguing with you on that, we all know about it …but you can’t just single motorists out as muppets and have no opinion of the ■■■■ in the video, unless you just turn a blind eye to muppets in trucks.
As illustrated in video there are more than enough hgv drivers that should not be in charge of anything bigger than a Transit van, you must see them every day, I know I do, not just agression but general ■■■■ poor driving.

Answer the point do you think ■■■■ head’s driving in the video is acceptable?
If you do you can sure as hell bet that all motorists have the same opinion as you about truck drivers.

You must agree that it aint pro to go chucking around 44 tonnes in the agressive manner that he does, blasting his horn all ■■■■ day at everybody, instead of avoiding confrontational incidents.
I’ve read your posts on this on right of way etc, surely you aint condoning this guy’s driving, or worse tellng us that you drive in a similar manner are you?

[hycus]

I was in the usual Heathrow traffic jam last Friday, there was a rigid driver next to me who was literally pushing the car in front of him along, the gap was minuscule, if I was in the car I would of eased off and took the compensation claim, the rigid driver was being a ■■■■ of the highest order.

[tommy_t]

robroy:

tommy t:

albion1971:
Tommy you keep going on about muppet car drivers.
What’s your view on the muppet truck driver in the clip?

i don’t have a view of him, I see muppet car drivers when driving a car myself, there are many Muppet’s/lemmings on our roads and the majority are car drivers Some days it’s like running the gauntlet on local roads it’s seems like they have all been or are going to a muppet convention on how not to drive, some may as well wear blinkers, even out walking you aren’t safe from the muppetry, In part the country is too densely populated there are too many cars on the roads hence the high muppet count, in urban areas

Tommy mate, all what you say is true on this, nobody is arguing with you on that, we all know about it …but you can’t just single motorists out as muppets and have no opinion of the ■■■■ in the video, unless you just turn a blind eye to muppets in trucks.
As illustrated in video there are more than enough hgv drivers that should not be in charge of anything bigger than a Transit van, you must see them every day, I know I do, not just agression but general ■■■■ poor driving.

Answer the point do you think ■■■■ head’s driving in the video is acceptable?
If you do you can sure as hell bet that all motorists have the same opinion as you about truck drivers.

You must agree that it aint pro to go chucking around 44 tonnes in the aggressive manner that he does, blasting his horn all [zb] day at everybody, instead of avoiding confrontational incidents.
I’ve read your posts on this on right of way etc, surely you ain’t condoning this guy’s driving, or worse tellng us that you drive in a similar manner are you?

Where does he chuck the lorry around in that video,i can see him change lanes to avoid the numpties in those cars that barged on the motorway , i doubt that he drives like that when not recording to upload to you tube, And no i don’t drive around in to use your phrase “the aggressive manner” As for sounding the horn and flashing of the lights, it depends how much of a ■■■■ the driver of the offending vehicle is, ie how dangerous to me & others they are, I will avoid them where possible but you cant avoid them all, all of the time, thing is though the majority of fools in car’s don’t get the point that they may of nearly caused an accident even got themselves killed by the horn /lights treatment, they are so oblivious they
1, will panic slam on the brakes for some insane reason, 2, not have a clue,what they have done, 3, taunt you, by brake testing you, or sign language ,and then drive off , The only way these will learn is when it’s too late

[goldilox]

I can imagine some people who have dash cams may think ’ Oh, I’ll just let this escalate a little to make it look more dramatic for when I put it up on Youtube’

A case of ‘be careful what you wish for’ to some extent.

[albion1971]

I think it is fascinating how drivers can perceive things in such different ways. All of us know the cars drivers in the clip were not the best drivers in the world but what we do not know is how long they have been driving or if they have already been involved in a bad accident (maybe with a lorry) or simply they do not have a clue.Some drivers also lack confidence even after driving for years and are far more careful and will not take the slightest chance if they think there might be an accident.Maybe they have had a relative seriously injured or killed in a road accident.They can feel very threatened and frightened by an aggressive truck driver. They pass their basic test and from then it goes downhill. We just do not know and although their driving standards are poor we must compensate for them and help them whenever possible.

Regarding the truck driver in the clip. Well he is as bad if not worse than any of the others. He is meant to be a professional but certainly does not act like it. I would imagine if he drives like that when being filmed he will be even worse when not being filmed.
It is drivers like him that get truck drivers a bad name and unfortunately there seem to be more and more that drive aggressively using the size of their vehicles to bully other drivers.
tommy t I cannot believe you do not think that truck driver was a ■■■■. If you perceive that as anywhere near normal driving you need to have a serious talk to yourself.

Considering the number of cars on our roads compared to trucks I would say the standards from both groups are as bad as each other. IE there are as many bad truck drivers as car drivers. Thank goodness there are still some decent drivers about.

[ajt]

He’s playing up the camera but sometimes a driver needs a good blast of horn to give them a wake up. Professional driver doesn’t mean door matt

[robroy]

tommy t:
Where does he chuck the lorry around in that video,i can see him change lanes to avoid the numpties in those cars that barged on the motorway , i doubt that he drives like that when not recording to upload to you tube, And no i don’t drive around in to use your phrase “the aggressive manner” As for sounding the horn and flashing of the lights, it depends how much of a ■■■■ the driver of the offending vehicle is, ie how dangerous to me & others they are, I will avoid them where possible but you cant avoid them all, all of the time, thing is though the majority of fools in car’s don’t get the point that they may of nearly caused an accident even got themselves killed by the horn /lights treatment, they are so oblivious they
1, will panic slam on the brakes for some insane reason, 2, not have a clue,what they have done, 3, taunt you, by brake testing you, or sign language ,and then drive off , The only way these will learn is when it’s too late

You keep pointing out all these examples of bad car drivers and I keep agreeing with you, what more can I say to you, yeh, they are pricks, I DO get it, I’ve had examples of that type of crap today myself, we all get it everyday, I’ll say it again…I agree with you, …they’re knobs, we all think the same.

To get back to matey in the vid, he comes across as some kind of self appointed traffic marshall. He makes a judgement on crap driving (all examples of which he is correct btw) and makes a point of displaying to them all, his opinion by horns and lights,… it’s hardly a display of professionalism is it.

After saying that I am like the rest of us, I admit there’s been times occasionally of red mist/horns/lights, but not all the bloody time ffs , mostly I just shake my head and call them ■■■■ s under my breath, it’s less stressful.

As for chucking his truck about, he does what a lot of craptruckdrivers do, …he handles it as a car
He makes minimal attempt to avoid a collision but rather relies on the crap drivers to get themselves out of it by his aggressive display, ok he changes lane as you say, but his driving makes the situation (look) worse than what it could have been if he had backed off a couple of klicks.
I still find it hard to believe that there is no condemnation in your posts of his style of driving.

He is going to kill somebody one day, …crap driving does not justify or deserve death.

[albion1971]

He is going to kill somebody one day, …crap driving does not justify or deserve death.

Unfortunately a true statement but it usually takes something drastic to happen before these types realise how appalling their driving actually is.

[robroy]

Just saw it today, not tailgating but shear bloody mindedness from a ‘pro driver’
I was following a Fowler Welch artic on the contraflow sat about 48 ish in a 50.
Saw a car coming down the slip, ample room for him to join, so what does F/W driver do, speeds up to limiter and blocks him off nearly to end of cones.
If the car driver had been totally thick he would have pulled out on me, however he wasn’t he braked right up, but with nowhere to go.
Lane 2 was clear so I pulled out to let him in as did the 4 wheeler behind me
. What is it about these knobs in trucks eh?
Just goes to prove…it aint just car drivers that are muppets…There’s Truckers and there’s f…s

[winseer]

Before someone says “Agency” though - it’s the full timers who have this “job n knock” mentality that doesn’t allow them to come off the limiter, use the brakes, or get off the phone, or get one’s feet of the dashboard come to that.

[ched]

Winseer:
Before someone says “Agency” though - it’s the full timers who have this “job n knock” mentality that doesn’t allow them to come off the limiter, use the brakes, or get off the phone, or get one’s feet of the dashboard come to that.

That’s me. If there is someone with a baby on board sign in the rear window, or a wheel chair visible in the boot compartment, or if they are old and infirm, or young and clearly only just passed their test doing 49 mph in the middle lane through the road works, they get tailgated and flashed and intimidated till they either move over or I get an opportunity to undertake. I’m on job n knock and have no time to zb about. If I think I can pass in the the outside lane without clipping the raised iron works I go for it.

[dri-diddly-iver]

robroy:
so what does F/W driver do, speeds up to limiter and blocks him off nearly to end of cones.

I would suspect the Fowler Welch driver has been victim to the cars that break the speed limit on the slip to get in front of the lorry then when on the motorway slow to 45 If there was enough room for you following then why didn’t he just pull over and let everyone be happy

robroy:
sat about 48 ish in a 50.

I know 50 is the limit and not a target but could I ask why you drive below the limit? Reason is, (my opinion and observation only)!! Cars sit at 45 mph through roadworks so as not to break the limit and I pass them either lane 1 or 2 then when roadworks end they eventually catch me up and pass in lane 3 at warp factor whatever speed total disregard for the 70 mph speed limit

[albion1971]

Ched:

Winseer:
Before someone says “Agency” though - it’s the full timers who have this “job n knock” mentality that doesn’t allow them to come off the limiter, use the brakes, or get off the phone, or get one’s feet of the dashboard come to that.

That’s me. If there is someone with a baby on board sign in the rear window, or a wheel chair visible in the boot compartment, or if they are old and infirm, or young and clearly only just passed their test doing 49 mph in the middle lane through the road works, they get tailgated and flashed and intimidated till they either move over or I get an opportunity to undertake. I’m on job n knock and have no time to zb about. If I think I can pass in the the outside lane without clipping the raised iron works I go for it.

I hope you are joking and just on a wind up but if you are not why would you drive in a manner that is not only extremely dangerous but gets the good lorry drivers a bad name?
Have you any idea how a new driver could react with a clown in a truck being a big bully? Have you any idea how many accidents a year are caused by similar driving?
Why would you admit to being a bad driver on here? Please tell me you are joking.

[casual_observer]

How the Rail Industry do Professional Driving .

May be a think or two to learn , or take heed of .

No need to read into all the Railway jargon , but in general , there is a fair bit which could be transferred to Road Haulage Industry .

Apparently , all companies wh run trains , have their own version of these .

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/250488/response/620584/attach/3/East%20Coast%20Professional%20Driving%20Policy.pdf .

Let te debate commence

[albion1971]

I would suspect the Fowler Welch driver has been victim to the cars that break the speed limit on the slip to get in front of the lorry

No matter what cars have done in the past it does not give the driver the right to drive like an idiot.

Drivers can drive below the limit for many reasons and are doing absolutely nothing wrong.It’s the clowns that harass them for doing so that need educating.

[robroy]

dri-diddly-iver:

robroy:
so what does F/W driver do, speeds up to limiter and blocks him off nearly to end of cones.

I would suspect the Fowler Welch driver has been victim to the cars that break the speed limit on the slip to get in front of the lorry then when on the motorway slow to 45 If there was enough room for you following then why didn’t he just pull over and let everyone be happy

robroy:
sat about 48 ish in a 50.

I know 50 is the limit and not a target but could I ask why you drive below the limit? Reason is, (my opinion and observation only)!! Cars sit at 45 mph through roadworks so as not to break the limit and I pass them either lane 1 or 2 then when roadworks end they eventually catch me up and pass in lane 3 at warp factor whatever speed total disregard for the 70 mph speed limit

Yeh I know what you mean about that.
As for F/Welch guy, even if he was a ‘victim’ as you put it, why drive like a ■■■■ because other car drivers had ■■■■■■ him off in the past.
If a truck put a car in the hard shoulder say, and the next truck he sees is you, and he puts you off the road because he was a ‘victim’ half an hour ago of another truck, do you reckon that’s fair.

Your speed question you have partly answered yourself ( limit/target) the other part of the answer is F/Welch set the speed as I was following him., Even if I didn’t think I was going fast enough ( I did btw) there was an HGV ban in lane 2, (there was no need for him to pull over there was plenty of room for the car if he had maintained his present speed)
I only pulled in to lane 2 to
A. avoid a potential rta if the car had just pulled out at slow speed after braking.
B. because lane was clear to do so.

Think the teararse guy is on a wind up, I aint biting

[dri-diddly-iver]

I’m not having a go at anyone but was just a little devils advocate Personally I’m on job and knock (salaried) but I’m really not bothered. I’m the wrong side of 50 and the only urgent load to me is a body part (which we don’t carry) so there you go.

If they wanted is sooner then they should have ordered it earlier bad planning I would think on the buyers part

[carryfast]

albion1971:
Drivers can drive below the limit for many reasons and are doing absolutely nothing wrong.It’s the clowns that harass them for doing so that need educating.

To be fair they certainly are doing something wrong if they don’t use an entry slip to accelerate to a speed where they can join a motorway etc,without causing those on the motorway etc to have to take avoiding action because of a speed differential.Having said that how many drivers are taught to make lane 2 the default choice on the approach to junctions or if something is on the hard shoulder for example.

[ched]

albion1971:

Ched:

Winseer:
Before someone says “Agency” though - it’s the full timers who have this “job n knock” mentality that doesn’t allow them to come off the limiter, use the brakes, or get off the phone, or get one’s feet of the dashboard come to that.

That’s me. If there is someone with a baby on board sign in the rear window, or a wheel chair visible in the boot compartment, or if they are old and infirm, or young and clearly only just passed their test doing 49 mph in the middle lane through the road works, they get tailgated and flashed and intimidated till they either move over or I get an opportunity to undertake. I’m on job n knock and have no time to zb about. If I think I can pass in the the outside lane without clipping the raised iron works I go for it.

I hope you are joking and just on a wind up but if you are not why would you drive in a manner that is not only extremely dangerous but gets the good lorry drivers a bad name?
Have you any idea how a new driver could react with a clown in a truck being a big bully? Have you any idea how many accidents a year are caused by similar driving?
Why would you admit to being a bad driver on here? Please tell me you are joking.

Yes. Sorry I was joking. I’ve witnessed first hand what can happen when things go wrong so I grit my teeth and drop back. Can’t say the antics of other road users don’t annoy me, but at the end of the day the choice is hold back for 10-20 minutes or risk killing people and going to prison plus the lifetime of guilt. You can’t predict what might happen in even the slightest shunt. Some people walk away unharmed in a 100mph crash, others die at 20mph. Not worth the risk even on job n knock.