hutpik:
Hi Syramax.Yes i have seen the film but have also done a lot of work to those countries and been a '‘guest’'of Turkey and Iran in the past so know what the conditions are like.Ok it was a long time ago but i still don’t think they have TV’s and 3 squares per day.
i think thats part of the problem over here too soft!! i have son who has been in and out many times,(he`s in at the moment for violence) and he just seems to “accept it” ■■ as if it were some sort of occupational hazard.it certainly isnt a detterrant. i have always offered the arguement bring back the birch.i have no figures to back this but i very much doubt anyone went back for a 2nd serving, unlike the present system that (seems) to assume that somehow or other the perpatrators are in fact victims themselves.
hutpik:
As one person said about trying to strictly control production,this is an impossible dream while there are such vast sums of money to be made.I lived for 2yrs in Afghanistan and saw first hand the problems of trying to control drug export.When a subsistence farmer makes 10times the money for poppy production than they would make for normal farming it’s an economic no brainer.Plus the pressure on the ‘‘small people’’ to produce what the cartels in drug countries want is enormous.
Yes make all drugs legal.When half a generation has overdosed and died,maybe there will be ‘‘self regulation’’ and a better awareness of the problem.
No.
Give it away to people who want it. Take the value out of it. We would pay for the production and distribution. It would be cheaper than paying for the currently failing policing and health and social problems
Winseer:
Smoking has been reduced to “consenting adults in private” - since it’s now illegal to smoke in most public places.
Legal, but strongly discouraged.
I have mixed feelings about legalising hard drugs. There would be no point to smuggling any more, as the bottom would drop out of the street prices. On the other hand, the obtainability would reel in a whole new generation of users who thought they’d “just try it in passing” in a similar manner to people’s first ■■■■ up of their lives being whilst at University.
Those hard drugs that are highly addictive therefore are the ones that should be kept illegal. The desire to get another hit makes people commit crimes, lose their friends and family, and of course there’s the health degeneration from not eating properly, with the attendent unhealthy weight loss.
The less addictive hard drugs (so-called “recreational drugs”) would merely be brought to the common people, whereas at present they tend only to be indulged in by the high-ups in society. The term “Top Gear” springs to mind here…
Clarkson: Hey, Kate, Could I interest you doing an episode of Top Gear with me?
Moss: No thanks. I don’t do drugs.
The days of the devils dandruff been the stuff of the rich and famous are long gone. Go in half the pubs in the uk on a Friday night and half the place will be in it. I’ve seen blokes in there 60s in the bog having a wee livener.
I agree with Switchlogic. We are a funny nation, it’s socially acceptable to have 30 people in a corner Smoking a ■■■ everyday of their lives which in turn is doing more damage as its a regularity and part of their daily lives, and it’s acceptable to go out and get absolutely ■■■■■■ out of your head on alcohol every weekend, fighting and puking in the street,
But you get a group of ravers in a club once a week on MDMA for the night having a good time and not hurting themselves or anyone else or being a pest to the rest of the general public and ohhhhhh it’s bad, your a druggy, it’s low, it’s illegal, it’s socially unacceptable.
It’s alright to kick someone’s head in every weekend when ■■■■■■ up and do a night in the cells but its not alright to spread the love through pure crystals of ecstasy of a night
Weird.
Ok, there’s a hill still to climb on the legalisation of all drugs.
Lets just legalise weed to start with and we can tax it at the same rate as ■■■■, that’s gotta be like, (little finger to side of mouth) 100 MILLION pounds (cash money) right there to chuck at the deficit.
switchlogic:
I think it would be sold in special government shops like alcohol is in Sweden, with knowlegeable staff than can give customers proper advice much like a pharmacist would.
That doesn’t stop people buying hooch from bootleggers, as it’s way cheaper than the Government controlled prices of booze.
All we would have is Government drug dealers, and an acceptance that it can’t really be bad if the Government hasn’t banned it, just as some kids will tell you… “How can cigs be bad for you if they’re legal”
switchlogic:
I think it would be sold in special government shops like alcohol is in Sweden, with knowlegeable staff than can give customers proper advice much like a pharmacist would.
That doesn’t stop people buying hooch from bootleggers, as it’s way cheaper than the Government controlled prices of booze.
All we would have is Government drug dealers, and an acceptance that it can’t really be bad if the Government hasn’t banned it, just as some kids will tell you… “How can cigs be bad for you if they’re legal”
And my point I made previously is if you cut through the emotional scaremongering many drugs are safer and less addictive than ■■■■ or booze. And often have much less of an impact on society. As for kids saying that I’ve never heard them say that.
A page ago Luke said something about town centres at night, well he was bang on the money there; I’ve yet to hear of anybody off their heads on drugs ramming a broken glass into a passerbys face!
Like it or not we ARE losing the war on drugs, so some proper joined up thinking is required here. What the answer is I have absolutely no idea at all, but merely burying heads in the sand just won’t cut it. Imagine if the Government took the radical step of producing the drugs themselves and cutting the middle men out. The tax revenues and subsequent drop in petty crime would be staggering (you can’t swap a stolen car stereo for gear in a Govt run shop).
Imagine if you will the British Govt buying the whole poppy crop from the Afghan farmers and paying them a fair rate for it? Overnight the Taliban would be cast out. Imagine that eh, no more teenage sons and daughters dying over there and coming home with a flag draped over them.
Its quite ironic really that we are talking about loosing the war on drugs on a topic where 2.5 million has been recovered on the back of a lorry.
I think it is right that we seem to be fighting a never ending uphill struggle but this doesn’t mean the only answer is to cave in and let it happen!
Ask yourselves this: Would you like your son or daughter, grandson or granddaughter to be hooked on the ■■■■? No of course you wouldn’t but if you legalise it there is a ■■■■ good chance instead of our kids getting hammered on a weekend up town with alcohol they will turn to getting smacked out their faces on drugs and the knock on potential addictions with the ease of which it could be obtained.
I cannot speak for heroin or crack buy I’ve taken many other drugs not at any time near a truck and been ok. Not touched any for Ages.
No danger some people get addicted some dont same as booze.
ajt:
You can’t compare cigarettes and alcohol to drugs. Its no where near in the same league.
Which is what you’ve been taught to believe from years of scaremongering. If you stopped to read about each drug properly you’d find that many drugs are safer and less addictive than ■■■■ or booze. The former drugs advisor to the government Professor Nutt is a good place to start, speaks a lot of sense. You go out in a town centre at night and tell me booze does no harm, or talk to someone dying of lung cancer.
ajt:
Ask yourselves this: Would you like your son or daughter, grandson or granddaughter to be hooked on the [zb]? No of course you wouldn’t but if you legalise it there is a ■■■■ good chance instead of our kids getting hammered on a weekend up town with alcohol they will turn to getting smacked out their faces on drugs and the knock on potential addictions with the ease of which it could be obtained.
And they’d be safer getting high on recreational drugs much of the time. Many are no more addictive than alcohol. If you’d ever been around people that do recreational drugs you’d see what I mean, a hell of a lot of a nicer experience than being around a load of binge drinking ■■■■ heads. If I had kids I wouldn’t want them getting hammered on alcohol or smacked out of their faces on drugs, I’d teach them to make an educated choice and do whatever that choice is in moderation.
green456:
its easy to realise who are the drug users on this thread by their responses
if the cap fits wear it
What a daft statement. Just because a person has particular views on this subject doesn’t mean they are drug users. But since we are on the subject whey should a load of people who have no first hand experience of drugs demonise them and legislate against them. Like I say if most had any experience of recreational drugs either first second or third hand they’d realise they are a lot of plesant than booze.
