Sidevalve:
mike68:
Now would be a perfect time to resurrect the Spitting Image series.No need, just watch Prime Minister’s Questions on the Beeb. Spitting Image couldn’t parody that.
Cabinet meetings…
Europe Debate…
The people have changed over 30 years - but I’d say that Parliament hasn’t. 
Winseer:
Labour is plotting extra £12,000 stealth tax on every lorry in Britain | Daily Mail OnlineAre there going to be any truckers who’ll still be voting Labour?
I used to [many years ago] conservative recent years,but never liberal,this year I may not bother,we don’t have any worth voting for,they are all useless
If I can, then I’ll be voting for one of the fringe parties springing up lately. Leave Means Leave, For Britain, possibly even UKIP. But for the forseeable future I won’t be voting for the Tories or Labour. The Tories seem to favour the rich, and Labour seem to pander to minorities and welfare recipients, neither of which I am. This country is in desperate need of new, sane, and strong leadership.
Too many Tory divvies on this site
halewood:
Too many Tory divvies on this site
Divvies full stop if they think voting is going to change anything!! Politics = theatre for weak minds.
halewood:
Too many Tory divvies on this site
Very true. It’s been observed that in significant part Corbyn’s Labour is supported by the better off slices of the working class, whilst many of the most downtrodden tend to prefer the Tories and essentially vote for more of their own misery.
By way of example I was talking to a barrister recently bemoaning (in summary) free market capitalism and Tory government policy, whilst people on council estates who are seeing falling wages and can’t get a house or even an NHS dentist bemoan (again, in summary) Corbyn’s dress sense and Sinn Fein sympathies.
Of course Corbyn does have a decisive majority amongst the working-age population, but it’s obvious that economic pain does not straightforwardly improve political thinking and engagement.
I’m not any of them - I’m just a floating voter. You know, - those people who’s swing vote actually gets to decide the outcome of elections… 
Winseer:
I’m not any of them - I’m just a floating voter. You know, - those people who’s swing vote actually gets to decide the outcome of elections…
I think you’ll find its the floating voter in the marginal seat that decides the outcome of elections, the floating voter in a safe seat just changes the size of the incumbent MP’s majority.
FFS !!! Some of the comments above are such a joke !!
Grow some people; don’t just keep moaning on websites and forums, get out there and demonstrate !!!
You’ve seen what can be done (and not just here in France).
You need to get organized, start up a real action group and go tell the government that you have had enough. The “gilet jaune” movement started up on Facebook by one person !
I have read comments about how people admire the French for their determination to remonstrate about things that they don’t agree with. So maybe the Brits should get up and follow suit
pierrot 14:
FFS !!! Some of the comments above are such a joke !!Grow some people; don’t just keep moaning on websites and forums, get out there and demonstrate !!!
You’ve seen what can be done (and not just here in France).
You need to get organized, start up a real action group and go tell the government that you have had enough. The “gilet jaune” movement started up on Facebook by one person !
I have read comments about how people admire the French for their determination to remonstrate about things that they don’t agree with. So maybe the Brits should get up and follow suit
The problem is, whilst people are comfortable, have food in their bellies, play with their smartphones, have an income, a roof over their head, and enough entertainment to escape societal problems, they just won’t be motivated enough to do anything for change. They’re like frogs being boiled.
When the roofs over their head, food in their bellies, or God forbid, their smartphones get taken away, then you might see people donning hi viz vests. But until then, it’s just gormless, comfortable, and passive living, same as always. Sad really.
pierrot 14:
FFS !!! Some of the comments above are such a joke !!Grow some people; don’t just keep moaning on websites and forums, get out there and demonstrate !!!
You’ve seen what can be done (and not just here in France).
You need to get organized, start up a real action group and go tell the government that you have had enough. The “gilet jaune” movement started up on Facebook by one person !
I have read comments about how people admire the French for their determination to remonstrate about things that they don’t agree with. So maybe the Brits should get up and follow suit
In this country? Haha
The I’m alright Jack attitude brought in by Thatcher, has broke the back of any fight in this country.Look at the way universal credit has been brought in,the country should be like France.
pierrot 14:
FFS !!! Some of the comments above are such a joke !!Grow some people; don’t just keep moaning on websites and forums, get out there and demonstrate !!!
You’ve seen what can be done (and not just here in France).
You need to get organized, start up a real action group and go tell the government that you have had enough. The “gilet jaune” movement started up on Facebook by one person !
I have read comments about how people admire the French for their determination to remonstrate about things that they don’t agree with. So maybe the Brits should get up and follow suit
Lol, you truly believe these demonstrations are not organised & funded by the higher echelons of society themselves, they all have the same end game planned right down to the finest detail, many or soros funded when you trace the £££ back no matter if it’s demos, Middle East forum or any other organisation.
The last meaningful demonstration in the uk was the poll tax demonstration of 1990 - which resulted in poll tax being abolished & replaces with a council tax charge.
February 2003 saw one of the largest demonstrations ever with multiple cities involved & thousands of people who were opposed to the Iraq invasion - guess what?. The invasion went ahead anyway. Can anyone show a demonstration that genuinely changed anything??
dbk23:
The last meaningful demonstration in the uk was the poll tax demonstration of 1990 - which resulted in poll tax being abolished & replaces with a council tax charge.February 2003 saw one of the largest demonstrations ever with multiple cities involved & thousands of people who were opposed to the Iraq invasion - guess what?. The invasion went ahead anyway. Can anyone show a demonstration that genuinely changed anything??
The only demos which tend to change anything are those which threaten more. Poll tax opposition was followed by poll tax riots and warnings of revolution.
That has mainly been the function of public demonstrations, as a show of force prior to more violent action.
Nobody was that motivated in the Iraq case, although defiance of a public demo on that scale (and the poor outcome of the war itself) has had longer-term insidious effects on the credibility of the political system.
Rjan:
dbk23:
The last meaningful demonstration in the uk was the poll tax demonstration of 1990 - which resulted in poll tax being abolished & replaces with a council tax charge.February 2003 saw one of the largest demonstrations ever with multiple cities involved & thousands of people who were opposed to the Iraq invasion - guess what?. The invasion went ahead anyway. Can anyone show a demonstration that genuinely changed anything??
The only demos which tend to change anything are those which threaten more. Poll tax opposition was followed by poll tax riots and warnings of revolution.
But they still introduced the council tax charge - win for them!
That has mainly been the function of public demonstrations, as a show of force prior to more violent action.
Exactly as tptb want.
Nobody was that motivated in the Iraq case, although defiance of a public demo on that scale (and the poor outcome of the war itself) has had longer-term insidious effects on the credibility of the political system.
Over 600,000 estimated demonstrated over it which proves people power is non existent, they will do as they please. They also voted against bombing Syria & within a week had bombed them. Our voices are worthless.
muckles:
Winseer:
I’m not any of them - I’m just a floating voter. You know, - those people who’s swing vote actually gets to decide the outcome of elections…I think you’ll find its the floating voter in the marginal seat that decides the outcome of elections, the floating voter in a safe seat just changes the size of the incumbent MP’s majority.
In the 2010 election, my ward was the number 1 marginal in the country. My vote didn’t make any difference though that year.
In 2015 and 2017 - my ward was nowhere near being a marginal, and my vote didn’t make a difference either.
However, my vote DID reflect the trend for all the years I have voted - when seen on the national scale.
I reckon in future elections, I’ll need to stop worrying about the “wrong candidate getting in” - and just vote for the candidate I like, rather than try anything clever.
I don’t fear Labour any more - I’ll just keep out of sight, should the lefties actually ever get the upper hand in this country again. 1997 didn’t kill me after all…
Anthony Lynton was hardly a leftie, many would say he implemented many far right policy’s. Milliband was previously a Tory which just goes to show left right is just different wings of the same bird - at least it keeps the minions arguing over another illusion for a bit!
dbk23:
… just goes to show left right is just different wings of the same bird - at least it keeps the minions arguing over another illusion for a bit!
More like different cheeks of the same arze!
dbk23:
Anthony Lynton was hardly a leftie, many would say he implemented many far right policy’s. Milliband was previously a Tory which just goes to show left right is just different wings of the same bird - at least it keeps the minions arguing over another illusion for a bit!
New Labour was never the Labour party of old, it was basically a party that was backed by the establishment, bankers, media etc to keep running basically the same policies we’d seen since Thatcher won the election in 1979, with the odd scrap thrown down to us to show it had some credentials as a party fighting for workers rights.
Although I’m not sure the present Labour party would do much for the average working person either, seems more worried about ticking every minority campaign group box, which is why it’s Leader couldn’t admit to saying Stupid Woman, even though she was being a stupid woman and in saying it he wasn’t saying all women are stupid, just that the one in front of him doing a panto act was.
Labour has not been for the working man for many a year now. They’re fractured between the hard left Corbynites, interested in spongers and minorities, thinking anyone who dares to say you have to work for your rewards is a capitalist scumbag who should be taxed to death. And the other side are the centre left Blairites who are just tories for business, but understand you need to dish out working tax credits to fool the turkeys into voting for Christmas. Either way, the party stinks to the core, and it’s support are made up of the work shy and the thick
OVLOV JAY:
Labour has not been for the working man for many a year now. They’re fractured between the hard left Corbynites, interested in spongers and minorities, thinking anyone who dares to say you have to work for your rewards is a capitalist scumbag who should be taxed to death. And the other side are the centre left Blairites who are just tories for business, but understand you need to dish out working tax credits to fool the turkeys into voting for Christmas. Either way, the party stinks to the core, and it’s support are made up of the work shy and the thick
There’s nothing anti-worker about saying taxes need to be paid. The point is that the rich and large corporations ought to be paying much much more, and doing much more for the common interest.
And if you don’t like the Blairites either, then who do you support? Surely you aren’t suggesting that the Tory party itself is for the little working man?
You surely can’t be thinking that there is some possible economic system in which there is a reasonably fair distribution of wealth, decent jobs, decent public services, but you also don’t have to pay any taxes?