Pimpdaddy:
Looks ugly, should be no different to the normal trailers we pull today though, they should have also enforced a height restriction like in Europe, trailers in the UK are far too high…
I don’t think we should have height restrictions like europe but do believe anything over around 14’3 (typical kind of height for most lorries) should be a low ride set up.
I think 13’ 6" max+longer trailers as standard should be good for us, saves fuel, bridge strikes & rollovers are less likely, could potentially create more jobs etc…
If I wanted to I could nominate several RDC’s (nevermind industrial estate units) that these trailers wont fit on bays in or yards they wont fit in right off the top of my head !!! Nevermind trying to park in some service stations or lorry parks. Would you be charged for taking 2 spaces up overnight. It wouldn’t fit in Hilton Park, Rugby or Northampton services just to make a point. If these are allowed on the roads of the UK then it’s not really the roads that will be the problem, it’s the places of loading and parking. I know they have long load bays but they are not for run of them mill road trucks which these trailers would become !
Kerbdog:
If I wanted to I could nominate several RDC’s (nevermind industrial estate units) that these trailers wont fit on bays in or yards they wont fit in right off the top of my head !!! Nevermind trying to park in some service stations or lorry parks. Would you be charged for taking 2 spaces up overnight. It wouldn’t fit in Hilton Park, Rugby or Northampton services just to make a point. If these are allowed on the roads of the UK then it’s not really the roads that will be the problem, it’s the places of loading and parking. I know they have long load bays but they are not for run of them mill road trucks which these trailers would become !
thats what the blokes who used to use hoss n carts said too
EastAnglianTrucker:
Just think how many cyclists could be mown down when turning left with this…
how do you think we cope in city streets over here with 53 ft trailers and a truck on the front that makes the whole thing 72 ft long ?
We get by, we observe, we look out for cyclists.
the trailer shown there would be as easy as pie ! … it has rear steering axles FFS
Come on Pat, you’re from England orig, you can’t possibly compare your streets to the likes of the streets of London, Oxford, Chester etc.
BUT, I’ve drove bendy busses in London and Manchester, and they’re approx 70’ long
It’s not the overall length that matters so much as the axle configurations and resulting overhangs behind the axles and forward of the pin.In this case it’s all on the overhangs at each end not between the pin and the axle because unlike most of the American ideas they’re fixated on cut in here and forget what’s going on at each end.It’s more likely that you’ll be wiping out cyclists and maybe a few traffic lights and pedestrians when turning right with this not left.
It’s easier to see what cut in is doing than it is to see what the opposite corner at the back is doing on a turn (tail sweep) for example in which case it’s easy to wipe someone out with the rear corner without even knowing about it.While a decent LHV drawbar outfit would provide the best of all worlds of providing more load deck space and weight capacity and less front an rear overhangs.But the steering axle is just there to support the extra weight further back to help keep the axle weights right but it doesn’t stop the tail sweep it just goes with it.Which is why it steers to stop tyre scrub.
Trust me, I know, I came off coaches and busses, look at the overhang on those buggers mate.
I’ve been a few places that you simply would not get that, anybody done kidde fire at High Bentham think you’d get this round off the high street?
You have to use the path as it is to stop your mid taking out the building on your left whilst you’re inches (at most) from the building on the right, no idea where the arse end is, but I’ve not had any reports YET
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For those that don’t know it, you take this left - can’t come from other side due to bridge height on 1 road and unsuitable for articulated vehicles on the other road (although I’ve used that road as mentioned before).
With buses and coaches you actually can see what the opposite rear corner is doing because they’re rigids .But with trailers you’re blind.
my bendy bus aint rigid and i cant see rear nearside of it when i turn right, but i still know where it is
EastAnglianTrucker:
Just think how many cyclists could be mown down when turning left with this…
how do you think we cope in city streets over here with 53 ft trailers and a truck on the front that makes the whole thing 72 ft long ?
We get by, we observe, we look out for cyclists.
the trailer shown there would be as easy as pie ! … it has rear steering axles FFS
Come on Pat, you’re from England orig, you can’t possibly compare your streets to the likes of the streets of London, Oxford, Chester etc.
BUT, I’ve drove bendy busses in London and Manchester, and they’re approx 70’ long
It’s not the overall length that matters so much as the axle configurations and resulting overhangs behind the axles and forward of the pin.In this case it’s all on the overhangs at each end not between the pin and the axle because unlike most of the American ideas they’re fixated on cut in here and forget what’s going on at each end.It’s more likely that you’ll be wiping out cyclists and maybe a few traffic lights and pedestrians when turning right with this not left.
It’s easier to see what cut in is doing than it is to see what the opposite corner at the back is doing on a turn (tail sweep) for example in which case it’s easy to wipe someone out with the rear corner without even knowing about it.While a decent LHV drawbar outfit would provide the best of all worlds of providing more load deck space and weight capacity and less front an rear overhangs.But the steering axle is just there to support the extra weight further back to help keep the axle weights right but it doesn’t stop the tail sweep it just goes with it.Which is why it steers to stop tyre scrub.
Trust me, I know, I came off coaches and busses, look at the overhang on those buggers mate.
I’ve been a few places that you simply would not get that, anybody done kidde fire at High Bentham think you’d get this round off the high street?
You have to use the path as it is to stop your mid taking out the building on your left whilst you’re inches (at most) from the building on the right, no idea where the arse end is, but I’ve not had any reports YET
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For those that don’t know it, you take this left - can’t come from other side due to bridge height on 1 road and unsuitable for articulated vehicles on the other road (although I’ve used that road as mentioned before).
With buses and coaches you actually can see what the opposite rear corner is doing because they’re rigids .But with trailers you’re blind.
my bendy bus aint rigid and i cant see rear nearside of it when i turn right, but i still know where it is
As I said there’s manageable amounts of rear overhang and then there’s too much.I think the rear overhang of the bendy bus fits into the former just like the current 45 ft trailers.Although an artic usually turns at greater angles relative to the tractor unit than a bendy bus or a drawbar trailer relative to the prime mover in most cases so tail sweep becomes more of an issue.In most cases if you’re going to make a semi trailer longer then it’s better to increase the distance between the pin and the trailer axles thereby keeping rear overhang around the same.
Decreasing cut in at the expense of tail sweep just makes every turn a balancing act between being on a tight enough line to allow for tail sweep while being on a wide enough line to also allow for cut in.Whereas it a lot easier to just increase the amount of cut in in which case it’s more a case of just taking the turns on a wider line and turning the unit a bit later.I addition to which is the fact that even if you do know exactly where the rear end is (doubtful with this measurement) that doesn’t mean that a cyclist or a car driver etc isn’t going to go through on the inside while it’s making a tight right turn and get caught out by the amount of sweep that the new trailer has relative to the amounts of the existing type trucks.In which case although you ‘might’ know ‘where’ the back end might be you won’t know that you’ve just caught a cyclist or whatever with the rear corner.
In this case it’s the A frame type drawbar outfit with a 40-45 ft trailer that would win every time in most British road conditions.
Carryfast:
In this case it’s the A frame type drawbar outfit with a 40-45 ft trailer that would win every time in most British road conditions.
Until it comes to parking the bloody thing. Parking spaces in services for example that require backing in would never support such an outfit, same for the hundreds and thousands of warehouses and rdc’s with loading doors that offer minimal room for manouver. Not to mention the fact you’d need two loading doors for each truck unless you load/unload the front rigid end and the trailer seperately in a time consuming shunting effort on the same door. Which would then require some kind of staging area for all the trailers to be parked in when the truck end is being worked on.
Not practical in most British conditions. Might be ok for a lot of curtainsider work where you load through the side but you still wouldn’t be able to park it anywhere other than a long layby or pull in parking.
Il tell you what its like when Ive had a go, I dont normaly do the job its going on but do cover for hols etc, Personaly dont think it will be that much different than a normal tri axle. We are also getting eight 14.6 mtr ordinary tauts for the job Im on I suppose they will be Department of transport trials also. pat hasler on the last general haulage job I had for over 9yrs I would regulary use 50ft flats often with 5ft overhang & they wernt indivisble loads never got stopped
I’ve been a few places that you simply would not get that, anybody done kidde fire at High Bentham think you’d get this round off the high street?
You have to use the path as it is to stop your mid taking out the building on your left whilst you’re inches (at most) from the building on the right, no idea where the arse end is, but I’ve not had any reports YET
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For those that don’t know it, you take this left - can’t come from other side due to bridge height on 1 road and unsuitable for articulated
vehicles on the other road (although I’ve used that road as mentioned before).
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Yep agree with you there, it’s even worse when the tool with the shop opposite the junction parks his van half on the road and half on the path, then you are ■■■■■■
Kidde at High Bentham. Theres a name I never thought I’d hear again! What a bloody place, market day was always the best when they had their stalls set up on the right hand pavement you had to swing on to to make the left turn.
Where iwork at the Mail, they are going to be trialling these longer trailers. They are trying to work out which routes they can go on. I can see a few lamposts being knocked down, and maybe a few redundancys going to.
Just another point this is gonna be working 24/7 and running from SCA Scem to SCA Prudhoe so won’t be going to different rdcs. And thankfully it won’t run empty
give them time then they will all be parked up or in the garage when the rear steer packs up like all rear steers do at some point and if your out and about theres a long wait , and then how long will they last when shunters pick them up and put all that weight on the steer axle, plus it looks from the picture some air lines might go for a burton when front of trailor meets back of cab ie: ferries ramps
Just hope they never adopt our B Double setups, Now that is fun moving about industrial estates and praying you never take a wrong turn ! And as for reversing that takes a while to get right !
from a drivers point of view. no big deal, it’s 6’ bigger than a conventional trailer.
from a business point of view, bloody ridiculous, it’s a short term earner. the haulier will get a few quid more per load, then when everyone gets them, the customer will want the job doing at the old rate. the same happened when we went from 38 ton to 40 ton to 44 ton. and from 40’ to 45’.
.But with trailers you’re blind. 
, and then how long will they last when shunters pick them up and put all that weight on the steer axle, 