Hi all, Boris need’s some new advisor’s i think as he sem’s to think that that it’s only Dover that has a problem and is closed.One minute they say there are no ferry’s running then they say unaccompanied freight can go out and driver accompanied coming in.If that is right why are Tesco and Sainsbury saying there could be hole’s on shelve’s. Or is it me that’s confused. 
gerbil sb152:
Hi all, Boris need’s some new advisor’s i think as he sem’s to think that that it’s only Dover that has a problem and is closed.One minute they say there are no ferry’s running then they say unaccompanied freight can go out and driver accompanied coming in.If that is right why are Tesco and Sainsbury saying there could be hole’s on shelve’s. Or is it me that’s confused.
The supermarkets will feel the pinch because for the most part, coolchain freight comes in driver accompanied but a lot of dry freight doesn’t.
Hi all, just a thought as people seem to be trying to get compensation for injuries caused by doing a job. I.E the rugby player’s are having a go about not being told they might get head injuries can i have a go at the FTA or RHA or all my old employer’s for not warning me that driving a truck for over 40 year’s would do my back in and leave me in permanent pain. 
Yes but first thing this morning Tesco and Sainsbury said there would be shortages then suddenly we have plenty of stock for Christmas and New Year shortages would be in January as the warehouse’s were full ready to supply the Christmas rush. Went in lidl and got English ground veg.
Hi all, this morning they said there was 500 lorries on the M20 waiting to get into Dover ten this afternoon Boris and Mr Shapps said that the number had been reduced from 500 to 174 as if by magic, but just know on the news it has suddenly grown to 1000. Why can someone tell the truth just for once.
gerbil sb152:
Hi all, this morning they said there was 500 lorries on the M20 waiting to get into Dover ten this afternoon Boris and Mr Shapps said that the number had been reduced from 500 to 174 as if by magic, but just know on the news it has suddenly grown to 1000. Why can someone tell the truth just for once.
Not sure how carefully you’ve been following the news. It was reduced to 174 by turning away lorries that were still trying to access Dover. The figure hasn’t suddenly grown to 1000. That figure is the number being held on the M20 and at other holding points. The number at Dover continues to diminish. Reports of ‘chaos’ at Dover were inaccurate: even the BBC refuted that claim.
OK i will be more precise they have been talking about lorry’s queuing on the M20 trying to get into Dover not actually in Dover i apologise for not being more clear they have also put some into Manston airfield. Sorry
About 10,000 trucks a day use Dover. One particular section of a queue may have reduced from 500 to 175 truck, but the true number of trucks waiting is NOT that number.
gerbil sb152:
OK i will be more precise they have been talking about lorry’s queuing on the M20 trying to get into Dover not actually in Dover i apologise for not being more clear they have also put some into Manston airfield.
No need for apologies old mate. This is a fast-moving fluid situation. We have umpteen channel ports and several European countries of exit/entry by lorry. The press forget this. I used most of them in my time at the wheel and spent many happy hours circumventing obstacles that would have stuck me in early versions of Operation Stack.
And I hear your frustration, especially when both the government and the press appear to be pretty vague about the situation. I heard a prime time BBC interviewer on the BBC radio 4 one-clock news yesterday ask her man in the field what the general feeling was among the drivers in the queue. WHAT? 
Did she think 500 mostly foreign drivers working for a range of different European and non-European hauliers were in some sort of British trade union that had a representative who would speak for them? There’s never been that kind of solidarity or cooperation in transport in the history of time . Any attempt at speaking with one voice in road transport has always been like ■■■■■■■ in the wind. 
And nobody has mentioned the conditions that those poor blokes are living in at the moment. Some may have emergency supplies of food on board, I always did despite 100% using French routier restos, and …toilet arrangements? None.
I was once stuck for a very long time on an autoroute heading for the Blanc because of an Italian customs strike. An enterprising French grocer kept running up and down the hard shoulder selling neccessities, but when I needed a crap? It was into the tilt and a squat on the large steel plates I was carrying. I did thankfully have plastic bags to carry the results to a suitable disposal point and can’t imagine how those with sealed fridges carried on. 
Talking from experience last week we had subcontracted Dutch hauliers load for our UK customer with fruit bound for a supermarket DC, the plan was load Saturday for 10am tip Monday but on arrival they could not tip him as no room left in any facility that they operated, it was Tuesday night before being emptied so there will IMHO be no immediate shortages on the shelves of the big stores. The only shortages will be caused as usual by greedy individuals who over buy and end up chucking the surplus into the waste bin when the date runs out, its just the nature of the beast but then they still got McDonalds and the like so will have to make do with that.
This problem from the French has nought to do with Covid19 its more to do with not getting a deal and losing the access to our fish rich waters, just sour grapes from them and its par for the course when things dont go there way, just my opinion of course.
Of course what we ought to do when this is all over is ban all routes from France in the new year into this country for a couple months and give them some of there own medicine, they dont like it up em, Buzzer.
PS. Ideal opportunity for VOSA to have a mosey with all them foreigners parked up in one place.
Spardo:
And nobody has mentioned the conditions that those poor blokes are living in at the moment. Some may have emergency supplies of food on board, I always did despite 100% using French routier restos, and …toilet arrangements? None.I was once stuck for a very long time on an autoroute heading for the Blanc because of an Italian customs strike. An enterprising French grocer kept running up and down the hard shoulder selling neccessities, but when I needed a crap? It was into the tilt and a squat on the large steel plates I was carrying. I did thankfully have plastic bags to carry the results to a suitable disposal point and can’t imagine how those with sealed fridges carried on.
Spardo seasons greetings to you, I think you will find most of those truck drivers are used to these conditions as when here not many of them use any facilities in the services that are provided, they live like cab rats and most nowadays are Eastern Europeans on very poor wages to boot and dont go home maybe once every 3 months or so, think you are slightly out of touch of how things are today in International Transport, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Spardo:
And nobody has mentioned the conditions that those poor blokes are living in at the moment. Some may have emergency supplies of food on board, I always did despite 100% using French routier restos, and …toilet arrangements? None.I was once stuck for a very long time on an autoroute heading for the Blanc because of an Italian customs strike. An enterprising French grocer kept running up and down the hard shoulder selling neccessities, but when I needed a crap? It was into the tilt and a squat on the large steel plates I was carrying. I did thankfully have plastic bags to carry the results to a suitable disposal point and can’t imagine how those with sealed fridges carried on.
Spardo seasons greetings to you, I think you will find most of those truck drivers are used to these conditions as when here not many of them use any facilities in the services that are provided, they live like cab rats and most nowadays are Eastern Europeans on very poor wages to boot and dont go home maybe once every 3 months or so, think you are slightly out of touch of how things are today in International Transport, Buzzer.
Thank you Buzzer and the same to you and yours, but you are right, I am out of touch these days and long may it remain so. The last international journey I did was Piacenza back in January just before the plague descended, got out by the skin of my teeth and had a great night before leaving at a small routier west of Turin. Just 3 other drivers there, all regulars and all French. Not a single baked bean was eaten in the vehicle. 
Buzzer:
Talking from experience last week we had subcontracted Dutch hauliers load for our UK customer with fruit bound for a supermarket DC, the plan was load Saturday for 10am tip Monday but on arrival they could not tip him as no room left in any facility that they operated, it was Tuesday night before being emptied so there will IMHO be no immediate shortages on the shelves of the big stores. The only shortages will be caused as usual by greedy individuals who over buy and end up chucking the surplus into the waste bin when the date runs out, its just the nature of the beast but then they still got McDonalds and the like so will have to make do with that.
This problem from the French has nought to do with Covid19 its more to do with not getting a deal and losing the access to our fish rich waters, just sour grapes from them and its par for the course when things dont go there way, just my opinion of course.
Of course what we ought to do when this is all over is ban all routes from France in the new year into this country for a couple months and give them some of there own medicine, they dont like it up em, Buzzer.PS. Ideal opportunity for VOSA to have a mosey with all them foreigners parked up in one place.
40 countries have banned entry from the UK.
bbc.com/news/uk-55391289
They aren’t all after fish.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Talking from experience last week we had subcontracted Dutch hauliers load for our UK customer with fruit bound for a supermarket DC, the plan was load Saturday for 10am tip Monday but on arrival they could not tip him as no room left in any facility that they operated, it was Tuesday night before being emptied so there will IMHO be no immediate shortages on the shelves of the big stores. The only shortages will be caused as usual by greedy individuals who over buy and end up chucking the surplus into the waste bin when the date runs out, its just the nature of the beast but then they still got McDonalds and the like so will have to make do with that.
This problem from the French has nought to do with Covid19 its more to do with not getting a deal and losing the access to our fish rich waters, just sour grapes from them and its par for the course when things dont go there way, just my opinion of course.
Of course what we ought to do when this is all over is ban all routes from France in the new year into this country for a couple months and give them some of there own medicine, they dont like it up em, Buzzer.PS. Ideal opportunity for VOSA to have a mosey with all them foreigners parked up in one place.
40 countries have banned entry from the UK.
bbc.com/news/uk-55391289
They aren’t all after fish.
It was France that started it and they definitely want our fish, the rest want a deal so they can carry on trading selling us there goods, they probably got the new strain of covid as well but have not shouted out about it like we did, if we had stayed quiet would this have happened, yes as its not about covid at all, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Talking from experience last week we had subcontracted Dutch hauliers load for our UK customer with fruit bound for a supermarket DC, the plan was load Saturday for 10am tip Monday but on arrival they could not tip him as no room left in any facility that they operated, it was Tuesday night before being emptied so there will IMHO be no immediate shortages on the shelves of the big stores. The only shortages will be caused as usual by greedy individuals who over buy and end up chucking the surplus into the waste bin when the date runs out, its just the nature of the beast but then they still got McDonalds and the like so will have to make do with that.
This problem from the French has nought to do with Covid19 its more to do with not getting a deal and losing the access to our fish rich waters, just sour grapes from them and its par for the course when things dont go there way, just my opinion of course.
Of course what we ought to do when this is all over is ban all routes from France in the new year into this country for a couple months and give them some of there own medicine, they dont like it up em, Buzzer.PS. Ideal opportunity for VOSA to have a mosey with all them foreigners parked up in one place.
40 countries have banned entry from the UK.
bbc.com/news/uk-55391289
They aren’t all after fish.It was France that started it and they definitely want our fish, the rest want a deal so they can carry on trading selling us there goods, they probably got the new strain of covid as well but have not shouted out about it like we did, if we had stayed quiet would this have happened, yes as its not about covid at all, Buzzer
So would you have thought it a good idea if the Chinese or anyone else with a contagious disease “didn’t shout about it”?
What a thoroughly irresponsible and selfish attitude.
“The other boy started it!” Sounds like a chuffing 3 year old in the playground.
“They want our fish”. The Canadians, and Indians are a wee bit far away for that, and the Swiss fishing fleet are not sailing up the Rhine to reach the channel just yet.
Well this do in Kent is starting to become a farce European Parliament have said nothing to do with them each country must decide there selves what they do. To say this is nothing to do with Brexit is rubbish so why doesn’t Boris say enough is enough shove your agreement where the sun don’t shine instead of making thousand’s of lorry driver’s which is what it is know suffer because so called adult’s can’t sit down and make an agreement after nearly 4 year’s. It is alway’s the same they are only lorry driver’s so they don’t matter. Sorry if what i have put upset’s anybody but as far as i see it this is how it is. They say no deal would see this chaos permanently but that is just not true it was never this bad when we had custom’s before it’s only happens when the French can’t get there own way and throw there toy’s. 
Franglais you seem to be wise on many subjects perhaps you should be an advisor on the world stage. This virus was not shouted about by the Chinese at the very beginnings so no one knew about it until it was out of control and spread across the world, I never said it was a “good idea” to say nought & if you read my post correctly What I did say was had we not shouted out about this stronger version of Covid19 would this travel ban still have happened, a slight difference to your statement.
You can try and belittle me on any of my posts as much as you like but after 50 years in transport I have a reasonably thick skin so will not pay heed to your petty children’s playground insults, it is my point of view and you are free to disagree with me should you wish to do so it is after all your choice, Buzzer.
gerbil sb152:
Well this do in Kent is starting to become a farce European Parliament have said nothing to do with them each country must decide there selves what they do. To say this is nothing to do with Brexit is rubbish so why doesn’t Boris say enough is enough shove your agreement where the sun don’t shine instead of making thousand’s of lorry driver’s which is what it is know suffer because so called adult’s can’t sit down and make an agreement after nearly 4 year’s. It is alway’s the same they are only lorry driver’s so they don’t matter. Sorry if what i have put upset’s anybody but as far as i see it this is how it is. They say no deal would see this chaos permanently but that is just not true it was never this bad when we had custom’s before it’s only happens when the French can’t get there own way and throw there toy’s.
Well said that man at least you have seen through the fog screen, anyone who has ever done European truck driving work knows exactly how the Frogs behave when things dont go there way, Buzzer
Really don’t know what you mean about the french John.