I don’t mind self tipping, hell most of what I do is self-tip. Any chance I get not to strip these dam ferry trailers because they never go back the same way because they are well and truly hosed.
What’s the problem with self tipping? It’s easy, I press a switch to unlock the rear door, press another switch and pull a lever backwards.
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?Personally,I used to do the latter.I felt I was responsible for the vehicle,stripping tilts or sliding curtains,etc and how the load got onto or off the trailer was of complete disinterest to me.I upset our local Netto once or twice but they get used to you.If your job entails working in the trailer,well fine.
Gidders:
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?
The prosecution could also argue that as they knew the terms when they signed up for the job, they have no defense or mitigation for fatigue! 
Evil8Beezle:
Gidders:
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?The prosecution could also argue that as they knew the terms when they signed up for the job, they have no defense or mitigation for fatigue!
They would throw the book at the driver for driving when tired. If you take a job including self tip you need to be fit enough to do it. Looking at the state of some drivers who deliver where I work, helping pull 20 or 30 roll cages off they look ready to keel over
Evil8Beezle:
Gidders:
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?The prosecution could also argue that as they knew the terms when they signed up for the job, they have no defense or mitigation for fatigue!
Exactly and that’s why I’ll pull over and take another break if I’m tired and their is nothing any company could do if you state you’ve pulled over because your tired.
Lots do it at my place yes some are just taking the ■■■■ but they do drill it into you that if your tired pull over and take a 15-30 min nap because it’s supposed to help you.
Man I love my job haha
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OVLOV JAY:
I disagree with the principle of it. It takes jobs out of the economy. There would probably be an extra 1000 or so employed across the country. I’m not bone idle, far from it. I just don’t think we’re paid enough to do it. And I personally knew a driver who died from a heart attack while tipping at Lidl Enfield in 2010
Was it actually carrying out the job of self tipping that caused the death or did he have a fatal heart attack which just happened to be whilst self tipping? Which has then led drivers who are against it to jump on the band wagon to say you see look how dangerous self tipping is…someone died. If it was directly related then fair enough, but I’m struggling to see how self tipping caused the heart attack? Strapping paper reels takes more effort and gets the heart rate going (thus potentially triggering a heart attack) more than walking back and forth with an electric pallet truck 26 times.
nightline:
For God’s sake have a bit of respect for your self and your proffeson and even if you like doing it don’t come on here and show you’re lack of intelagents…
Priceless. Absolutely ■■■■■■ priceless.
Gidders:
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?
I know that a lot of drivers have some kind of sense of entitlement that tells them that they have a right to spend a portion of the day on the bunk, but what on earth is the difference between the situation that you describe and builders or similar tradesmen who drive to a site in the morning, do a day’s graft (and proper graft, not turning a steering wheel or walking along with an electric pallet truck) and then drive back home in the evening?
Am I missing something that makes a rather precious lorry driver different to that?
Olog Hai:
Gidders:
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?I know that a lot of drivers have some kind of sense of entitlement that tells them that they have a right to spend a portion of the day on the bunk, but what on earth is the difference between the situation that you describe and builders or similar tradesmen who drive to a site in the morning, do a day’s graft (and proper graft, not turning a steering wheel or walking along with an electric pallet truck) and then drive back home in the evening?
Am I missing something that makes a rather precious lorry driver different to that?
Regulation that defines whether their balls are hanging from the flag pole or not when things go wrong.
As a professional driver, it’s your livelihood that’s at stake…
(Not to mention a truck, as apposed to a ■■■■■■ van.)
Tenuous argument - and it wouldn’t be my ‘balls hanging from the flagpole’ if it went pear-shaped with a truck, that’s for sure… 
Olog Hai:
Tenuous argument
Only tenuous?
I think it’s better than that, but I think the point is that if you signed up for a gig that’s full-on, all shift, then crack on, don’t whine about it! My current soon to be ex job is like that, and along with the silly shift lengths and reduced weekly rests, I decided it wasn’t for me. So I’ve quit, as I doubt I’d have got an ounce of sympathy whining about it on here, and rightly so. However, I think a lot of the negativity on this thread about self tipping, is about peoples jobs changing from what they signed up for. Yes I can understand why bean counters get moist over the cost savings of self tipping, but i doubt they consider anything past crunching the numbers. Drivers that were capable and comfortable about their workload and expectations, are now under pressure to follow suit, and to some this may be beyond them. Plus it’s not the deal they signed on for when they took the job, as I doubt allowances are likely to be made for this additional effort, let alone more money.
What is at work here is accountancy cost savings, and those that want to do this, or sign up for this sort of work, should remember that they are also drawing others into the same arrangement involuntarily, whether they like it or not.
So those that want to self tip crack on!
I however do not 12+ hour days where I never stop…
P.S. Site hours are shorter than driver hours! 
Evil8Beezle:
Olog Hai:
Gidders:
I wonder how a court or the media would view a driver who had driven several hours to a delivery point,self unloaded say 20 tons of stuff handballed or wheeled,then been involved in an accident on the way home with the blame put down to fatigue when he could have rested,read a book or knocked out a few zzzzzs?I know that a lot of drivers have some kind of sense of entitlement that tells them that they have a right to spend a portion of the day on the bunk, but what on earth is the difference between the situation that you describe and builders or similar tradesmen who drive to a site in the morning, do a day’s graft (and proper graft, not turning a steering wheel or walking along with an electric pallet truck) and then drive back home in the evening?
Am I missing something that makes a rather precious lorry driver different to that?
Regulation that defines whether their balls are hanging from the flag pole or not when things go wrong.
As a professional driver, it’s your livelihood that’s at stake…
(Not to mention a truck, as apposed to a ■■■■■■ van.)
I’d argue its worse as a tradesmen. My mate is a plumber/gasman. He messes up and he loses business. That lost business could send him under.
Evil8Beezle:
Olog Hai:
Tenuous argumentOnly tenuous? [emoji38]
I think it’s better than that, but I think the point is that if you signed up for a gig that’s full-on, all shift, then crack on, don’t whine about it! My current soon to be ex job is like that, and along with the silly shift lengths and reduced weekly rests, I decided it wasn’t for me. So I’ve quit, as I doubt I’d have got an ounce of sympathy whining about it on here, and rightly so. However, I think a lot of the negativity on this thread about self tipping, is about peoples jobs changing from what they signed up for. Yes I can understand why bean counters get moist over the cost savings of self tipping, but i doubt they consider anything past crunching the numbers. Drivers that were capable and comfortable about their workload and expectations, are now under pressure to follow suit, and to some this may be beyond them. Plus it’s not the deal they signed on for when they took the job, as I doubt allowances are likely to be made for this additional effort, let alone more money.
What is at work here is accountancy cost savings, and those that want to do this, or sign up for this sort of work, should remember that they are also drawing others into the same arrangement involuntarily, whether they like it or not.
So those that want to self tip crack on!
I however do not 12+ hour days where I never stop…P.S. Site hours are shorter than driver hours!
That’s the nail on the head. If you’ve signed up for it and been told fully what the job role is you can’t go complaining at all because it’s your own fault.
As for 12h days always on the go it’s not like that where I am.
Happy to report out of my 13.5h day yesterday I’d done 6h driving. 1h19mins work unloading at Aldi. The rest of the time was break or poa lol. Paid hourly so not gonna complain. For me after some of the jobs I’ve done like delivering furniture or working for Palmer and Harveys I just find my job really easy and laid back. Has long as I make the delivery or collection on time they are not bothered and if I’m gonna be late a quick phone call and the book in time is changed for me.
Easily pleased after busting my balls before for other companies with no regards to people’s health and safety.
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Sitting at lidl Livingston waiting on my paperwork back now. Just tipped 18 chilled and there was a driver on the bay next to me that took the hump when he found out that as well as tipping yourself, he also had to split his mixed pallets down. Almost came to handbags and he was eventually persuaded to go back to his truck. Fair play to him i say, (personally don’t mind the self tip but don’t agree with splitting loads down) but there’s always a few of their trucks in there when I’m in on a Saturday morning, and his gaffer has obviously phoned one of the other drivers to go and do it. 2 minutes later i see him head back into the warehouse, probably feeling guilty that his work mate has been lumbered with his load and now feels obliged to help him. [emoji1]
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I’ve got no complaints with doing the work, in fact id rather unload my truck and get turned round quicker, however it is dangerous. I’ve worked in a factory and got trained to drive a fork truck and got trained to operate electric wheels. The latter are very dangerous. I know a lad who got crushed against a pillar by electric hand wheels. You’ve got to know what you’re doing with them. I tipped at co-op at Dartford and was just given some electric wheels and told to unload the trailer. I couldn’t believe it. It’s 1970’s h&s in 2017.