Licence from a lucky bag? [Merged]

Leaving Fort William to head back to the depot, a run that would normally take about 3 hours. Got to the roundabout at the Coal turn off to see a bendy (from the curtain it was from somewhere called ‘Birmingham’) waiting to pull out of the garage into the flow of traffic. Flashes the driver out and, without even as much as a wave of thanks away he goes, just in front of me, up the A82 to Inverness.

Within half a mile I -knew- that flashing this [Zb] out was a mistake: he drove with his wheels about 2 feet over the white line unless, obviously, there was a car coming, in which case he would slow down and tippy toe to ‘his’ side of the road… then, as soon as the car was past, he would speed back up to his top speed of 15mph (yes, you did read that right FIFTEEN MILES AN HOUR FFS) and resume his position over the white lines.

You could tell a lorry or coach was approaching because, at times like that, he’d pull onto ‘his’ side of the road …… and STOP!

We hadn’t reached Spean Bridge before I could see in my mirrors the mother of all tail-backs; increasingly irate drivers as far as the eye can see. (…. and I know it’s not like twenty miles, but it’s all relative and you know what I mean!)

Stuck behind this [Zb] as he slowly plods up the hill towards the Gairlochy turn off, I’m thinking to myself, 'couple of nice straights coming up. As long as there’s no on-coming traffic… Alternately, there’s the ‘new’ stretch just beyond the Letterfinlay… ’

Dream on sunshine :confused:

Obviously I should have guessed from the tail-back that this cretin obviously doesn’t use his mirrors at all (“Ooh, look, aren’t those things on the side of the cab pretty!), so the chances of over-taking him are positively snowballs due to his insistence on driving over the white lines. ■■■■.

Still, Letterfinlay isn’t far…

Wrong. As soon as we hit the ‘new’ bit the [Zb] [Zb] [Zb] [Zb] is off like a scalded cat… engine obviously on the limiter.

I will leave the rest of the journey up to your imagination… :frowning:

The whole episode does, however, raise several questions…

First and, perhaps, the most obvious: Professional? Really?
The [Zb] obviously can’t drive for buttons yet he’s in charge of 44 tonnes as he tramps around the country (He must be a tramper – you don’t get to FW from Brum in a day!). Surely he must have learded something by now – or why is he driving?
Alternately, if he’s a newbie, why the [Zb] is his transport manager sending him up here?

Second: Regardless of service/experience, surely to heaven seeing solid traffic as far as the eye can see – while doing 15 mph on a 50mph road - tells you to pull in and let the traffic clear?
That’s common courtesy, if nothing else!

Three: Why, when you DO reach a ‘good bit’, would you suddenly speed up? Why not either maintain the speed and allow traffic to clear – or pull into the big lay-by for same?

Four: Is it possible that that’s actually the standard of driving ‘doon sooth’? (In which case…)

Five: Have we, as an industry really got so bad that people like that are the best we can get? And is it any wonder that, as an industry, we’re getting/have got such a bad name? (Steps away from the keyboard while Juddian takes deep breath :smiley: )

Oh, and a journey that normally takes about 3 hours took me better part of 6!

…… oh, and further to my previous thread (Licence from a lucky bag), why do SO many drivers – almost all in my experience, from ‘doon sooth’ – have such problems with Berriedale Braes on the A9.

It’s really not difficult people: take your time, read the road, make sure that you’re in the right gear (Crap-matic boxes have things called Manual Over-ride), take command of the road, and simply drive up the thing.

It’s not ■■■■■■ rocket science.

Alternately, you could always [Zb] and learn to drive (or go and do something else and leave the job to people who can!)

Ok. Rant over.

How did you know i was reading this with itchy fingers? :laughing: :laughing: note to self, maybe time for a new identity :bulb: :sunglasses:

You should have known by the not acknowledging a courtesy when you let him go that the journey was doomed from that moment, how many times have i similarly regretted doing such a thing over the years :unamused:

Up to a point i can forgive someone for being nervous, frightened even of the vehicle they are driving, what is unforgiveable is the zooming off like his arse is on fire when there was an overtaking opportunity, it was obvious from his original display of neanderthal ignorance that he wouldn’t be stopping to let traffic past, he probably gets some perverse thrill from causing as much inconvenience to others as possible, we’ve all had similar when following certain tescupermarket creatures who whilst travelling at exactly 38mph for mile after mile to be absolutely legal on a 40mph single track, then suddenly it was OK to speed when an overtaking lane appeared to prevent the poor sods behind getting on, if you saw their ugly mugs in the mirror you would often see a smirk of smug almost ■■■■■■■■■■ satisfaction as if perfecting such behaviour was as achievement to be proud of.

I’m not sure there’s a North South divide with skills as such, manners wise the only time i’ve been ignored with hostilty in all my driving life was when i had the cheek to say goodmorning to two Scottish drivers who were already washing at the sinks in a service area and met with hostile glances and silence, but good an bad can be found anywhere and everywhere, i’ve found most Scottish blokes to be decent friendly sticks.

I’d hate to be the one who mentioned the driver of this combo might not be a Brummie and maye well come from somewhere a thousand or more miles to the east but i will :wink: , if the recent non Brit agency bods who my lot have seen fit to stick in our vehicles are anything to go by then whole new depths are yet to be plumbed, and we await the next catastrophe that will surely result with trepidation. :open_mouth:

Just to play devil’s advocate here, …but firstly I admit it does annoy me when you show another driver a bit of courtesy and help (as I do all the time) and he can not be arsed to acknowledge it.

However, maybe he had just passed his test day/week or even month, maybe he was used to Mways, annd found it difficult on 2 way roads, granted he could and should have pulled in, but lack of experience coupled with lack of confidence does not make you the best or most competent of drivers.
By your own admission you were a bit ■■■■■■ off sat behind him (as I would be) but maybe you inadvertently (or even intentionally) displayed this which maybe flustered him even further.
We all have had to learn mate. :bulb:

On the other hand he could just have been a complete ■■■■, and a crap driver. :smiley:

robroy:
Just to play devil’s advocate here, …but firstly I admit it does annoy me when you show another driver a bit of courtesy and help (as I do all the time) and he can not be arsed to acknowledge it.

However, maybe he had just passed his test day/week or even month, maybe he was used to Mways, annd found it difficult on 2 way roads, granted he could and should have pulled in, but lack of experience coupled with lack of confidence does not make you the best or most competent of drivers.
By your own admission you were a bit ■■■■■■ off sat behind him (as I would be) but maybe you inadvertently (or even intentionally) displayed this which maybe flustered him even further.
We all have had to learn mate. :bulb:

On the other hand he could just have been a complete [zb], and a crap driver. :smiley:

Oh, for heaven’s sake… where do you start?

I’ll happily concede that common courtesy goes a long way. Unfortunately, these days, that lack appears to be becoming a lot more common. :frowning:

As for the driving bit: Are you saying that they don’t have 2 way roads ‘doon sooth’? Pretty sure that thay had them a few weeks ago when I had mis-fortune to have to be there, so not sure that that argument stacks up.
Also, surely even as a Newbie, you know that the ability to use those pretty things on the side of the cab is a prerequisite to driving, and an IQ of over ten would tell you “Ooh, look at all the traffic backing up. Maybe I should pull in and let it clear!”?

My guess is that your last sentence hits the nail fair and square on the head!

Win-Stone:

robroy:
Just to play devil’s advocate here, …but firstly I admit it does annoy me when you show another driver a bit of courtesy and help (as I do all the time) and he can not be arsed to acknowledge it.

However, maybe he had just passed his test day/week or even month, maybe he was used to Mways, annd found it difficult on 2 way roads, granted he could and should have pulled in, but lack of experience coupled with lack of confidence does not make you the best or most competent of drivers.
By your own admission you were a bit ■■■■■■ off sat behind him (as I would be) but maybe you inadvertently (or even intentionally) displayed this which maybe flustered him even further.
We all have had to learn mate. :bulb:

On the other hand he could just have been a complete [zb], and a crap driver. :smiley:

Oh, for heaven’s sake… where do you start?

I’ll happily concede that common courtesy goes a long way. Unfortunately, these days, that lack appears to be becoming a lot more common. :frowning:

As for the driving bit: Are you saying that they don’t have 2 way roads ‘doon sooth’? Pretty sure that thay had them a few weeks ago when I had mis-fortune to have to be there, so not sure that that argument stacks up.
Also, surely even as a Newbie, you know that the ability to use those pretty things on the side of the cab is a prerequisite to driving, and an IQ of over ten would tell you “Ooh, look at all the traffic backing up. Maybe I should pull in and let it clear!”?

My guess is that your last sentence hits the nail fair and square on the head!

No of course I aint saying there are no 2 way roads down south, I was just saying he could have been used only to better roads, and especially being that the roads up by Fort aint exactly the best.
I aint making excuses for him just trying to point out a possible explanation. When you first pass your test you are not exactly brimming with confidence, and maybe displaying your displeasure exacerbated his dilemna, panicking him and making his actions even worse as displayed by his reluctance to pull over…not blaming you, just saying like. :neutral_face:

+1…i think you would be right there…
mabey he went to the same school as all the farmers driving tractors…

So just have a 15/30 in the first layby that you come to and let him get away rather than letting it affect your blood pressure so much.

On the other hand, I remember an incident on the same road, (assuming it’s the Callannder to Fort road)
I was driving at the 40 max limit (on my own side of line btw, and WITH experience) and this cockend in an empty timber truck was sat right on my arse, weaving out to display he wanted past, I assumed this ■■■■ did not have a second to spare :unamused: so I pulled into next lay by to let him past.

Off he went, like his arse was on fire, and after another 2 lay bys, and a few miles later (which proved he was not desperate to pull in for his break) I caught up with him where he was sat in the 3rd lay by parked up.
Seems that it was just his normal way of ‘driving’ :unamused:

If I had been a new driver there could have been a similar scenario to the o/p.

Olog Hai:
So just have a 15/30 in the first layby that you come to and let him get away rather than letting it affect your blood pressure so much.

Actually… I did!

When he blithely romped past the big lay-by just beyond Letterfinlay, I pulled in and took a 30.
Unfortunately, you only need to do the maths: if he’s averaging about 8 mph (effective top speed of 15 but slowing for cars and stopping for lorries) then, in 30 minutes he’s only 4 miles up the road.
If, after my break, I then drive at a more sensible speed, let’s say 50 mph, then it’s not going to be long before I’m stuck on the end of the tail-back caused by the cretin!

The big hope is that the simpleton has either woken up, grown up or (please!) turned off.

No such Zb luck

And how many flipping breaks do you take?

But, really, it’s all academic: FW to Inverness is about 70 miles. 70 miles at an average of 8 mph gives a journey time of just under 9 hours so given that the useless Zb is still doing his impersonation of a mobile road-block, and assuming that there isn’t a smash behind him caused by car drivers losing their temper and taking risks (thereby totally blocking the road), he has to stop at some point because of his Tacho!

So, what do you do?

Grit your teeth, smile benignly, turn up the CD player, admire the scenery and wait.

Win-Stone:
If, after my break, I then drive at a more sensible speed, let’s say 50 mph

You interpret 50 at a ‘sensible’ speed (and I may or may not agree with you) however it does not matter if you (or me) consider it sensible, the Old Bill may take a different view, the law certainly would.
So you can’t really come on criticising a driver for going too slow when you by the same token admit to going too what essentially amounts to too fast and contrary to the law.

Sorry mate …I’m just in an argumentative arsey mood. :blush: :laughing:

… and talking about argumentative Rob, having a half-heated swipe for what you think you’ve read, rather than what the OP actually writes is silly.

“Let’s say 50”, and “I did 50” are NOT synonymous!

I was simply using it to make a point: didn’t realise it would be jumped on by an argumentative pedant!

My bad. :frowning:

Win-Stone:
… and talking about argumentative Rob, having a half-heated swipe for what you think you’ve read, rather than what the OP actually writes is silly.

“Let’s say 50”, and “I did 50” are NOT synonymous!

I was simply using it to make a point: didn’t realise it would be jumped on by an argumentative pedant!

My bad. :frowning:

:laughing: Yeh, ok. :smiley: :wink:

Win-Stone:
Flashes the driver out and, without even as much as a wave of thanks away he goes

Reap what you sow …

It is the same when a car learner does it .give them a chance :unamused:

Yes we have A roads ‘doon sooth’ mate, and our fair share of bellend drivers…
But what we’ve learnt to do down here with our superior intelligence :wink: is send them on runs up to the grim grey North.
You’re welcome! :grimacing:

It sounds to me that this driver was a Newbie and didn’t know how wide his truck was, and possibly had a recent incident where he lost his N/S mirror, not that he sounds like he really needed it anyway! :laughing:

Was it this guy?
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I sympathise with you Win ston. I’m on that road daily, some of the driving is unbelievable. Have to correct you on one thing though. It’s a 40 mph road not a 50. I’m happy at 40. Paid by the hour etc etc. Gets boring though.

CraigM:
I sympathise with you Win ston. I’m on that road daily, some of the driving is unbelievable. Have to correct you on one thing though. It’s a 40 mph road not a 50. I’m happy at 40. Paid by the hour etc etc. Gets boring though.

… … … and where, pray, did I say that the speed limit was 50?

:smiley: :smiley:

In your OP

Win-Stone:
while doing 15 mph on a 50mph road