Let's not turn in to work tomorow and the day after

stevieboy308:

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Dave the Renegade:
A lot of the hauliers in this country have serious debt,so if any drivers started taking time off to protest would just finish them off, and everyone would be losers. There is very little money in road haulage. Don’t be fooled by the new motors, most of those are leased or on finance.

That’s the reason why any strike action couldn’t be aimed at the employers.
instead of striking against employers, it should be aimed the government on behalf of the the employers.

how would that work?

Before drivers can ask ask for a wage rise, employers need a way to reduce there costs!
Biggest cost is fuel, so protest against fuel costs.
A cut in fuel costs, would I wont say will leave more money to pay drivers a better wage.
But will never happen, because drivers won’t stick together and nor will drivers and employers.
Even the unions know we are a lost cause for that reason, and only like the ones who help pay their wages!

I can see us all getting sacked (in a legally skilful/crafty manner of course) & replaced very easily should we attempt to grab this country by the balls…#idontknow

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stevieboy308:

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Dave the Renegade:
A lot of the hauliers in this country have serious debt,so if any drivers started taking time off to protest would just finish them off, and everyone would be losers. There is very little money in road haulage. Don’t be fooled by the new motors, most of those are leased or on finance.

That’s the reason why any strike action couldn’t be aimed at the employers.
instead of striking against employers, it should be aimed the government on behalf of the the employers.

how would that work?

Before drivers can ask ask for a wage rise, employers need a way to reduce there costs!
Biggest cost is fuel, so protest against fuel costs.
A cut in fuel costs, would I wont say will leave more money to pay drivers a better wage.
But will never happen, because drivers won’t stick together and nor will drivers and employers.
Even the unions know we are a lost cause for that reason, and only like the ones who help pay their wages!

sorry fella, but i don’t see it like that, fuel costs come down, so will the rates, firms are in competition with each other. when in a not so great economy after a boom, the industry is in oversupply, as we all know “if you bought it a truck brought it!!” well people stopped buying it, at least like they had been anyway. haulage is probably a pretty good barometer of the economy, so it should’ve come as no surprise that rates came down, firms go out of business, drivers are out of work and wages drop or stagnate.

if there was a shortage of drivers now, the wages would go up until enough people had been tempted, or tempted back into the industry that there was no longer a shortage.

when it was well publicised that plumbers were earning big money - because there was a shortage of them! i’m sure a few drivers will of been off to buy a blow lamp and sign up to the nearest fast track course. with little thought of the affect / damage they would do to the rates. chances are they’ll of thought - i can earn more, for less hours with no nights out - i’m in!!

a strike to get better wages may give a short term increase, but can it last long term? plus i don’t think it’s only truck drivers that feel undervalued, so then what, everyone’s going to start striking, so chances are every industry will still eventually be still stood on the same rung of the pay rate ladder. every man and woman with ability and eligibility to drive a truck in the uk set the wages, when enough say that the rate is enough to offer them a better package than doing anything else, the wage is set!

to get better wages - we don’t want to encourage new people to the industry!! it’s got more attractive over the years with smart looking, easier to drive, well equipped trucks, less hard graft and more bed time whilst tipping etc. it needs making it harder to get in and harder to stay in, a tougher and tested dcpc would help no end! as would a proper 48 hours! the lack of 7.5t entitlement with a car ticket over the last 16 / 17 years will be starting to make an impression, but so has the previous and future immigration issues.

supply and demand

So where are you going to get all this cheap fuel from?
The global price of fuel is for the best part based on either the price that OPEC decides, West Texas crude or the European spot market price. If you are not a major oil producing country, then most countries are paying basically the same base line, to this is added the delivery price and the cost of refining the base product. What is added to that is how much tax the government of that country loads on for revenue.

Jeff…

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Pimpdaddy:

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Do you know how close country came to being on its knees in 2000?

No idea matey…

It was close enough at 7 days, 2 more days and they would have got what every thing that they wanted!
And we wouldn’t be where we are now!

blair was in power then and i have to say he was a very worried man,the look on his face on the front of the sun newspaper said it all,he looked like death warmed up,unfortunately the government learnt from it as well and they would have something in place to stop such a thing happening again,we would not stand a chance against them

why is shelf stacking the only other line of work drivers seem to refer too when the subject of hourly wages comes up ? ?

THE COUNTRY WOULD ALSO GRIND TO A HALT

IF EVERY ONE OF ANY BELOW DECIDED NOT TO GO TO WORK

Get over yourselves :unamused:

Power station employee
Water board employee
NHS
Council worker
Policeman/woman
Train/rail workers eg no trains delivering coal to power stations.
Fish n chip shop owners

Etc etc

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rearaxle:
If every british lorry driver did this, this country will be on it’s kness with in a couple of days …do you really know how powerfull it is being a lorry driver…thoughts please…

If every British lorry driver stayed home immigrants would drive the lorries and no one would notice … do you really know how powerful it is being an immigrant ?

I’m a migrant mate, and I refused to replace British collagues when they’ve been on strike. But other British drivers did not refuse…
Do not think, if some one haven’t been born in the country they have to be silly. I work hard since my age of 15 and I’m a member of the Union too. And I hope, not I’m the only one who thinks this way. :frowning: :frowning:

rearaxle:
If every british lorry driver did this, this country will be on it’s kness with in a couple of days …do you really know how powerfull it is being a lorry driver…thoughts please…

the farmers will take over :laughing:

Dennisthemenace:

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rearaxle:
If every british lorry driver did this, this country will be on it’s kness with in a couple of days …do you really know how powerfull it is being a lorry driver…thoughts please…

If every British lorry driver stayed home immigrants would drive the lorries and no one would notice … do you really know how powerful it is being an immigrant ?

I’m a migrant mate, and I refused to replace British collagues when they’ve been on strike. But other British drivers did not refuse…
Do not think, if some one haven’t been born in the country they have to be silly. I work hard since my age of 15 and I’m a member of the Union too. And I hope, not I’m the only one who thinks this way. :frowning: :frowning:

I wasn’t meaning to offend mate, I just meant that there are a lot of immigrant drivers in this country so if British drivers stayed home the job would still get done.

I respect your decision to support strikers but there are many who would not, and many of them, though not all, are are not British.

I agree with the OP in principle…it would go to show these people who hate transport quite how powerful we are :grimacing: But the problem is that nobody ever sticks together…

chester:
THE COUNTRY WOULD ALSO GRIND TO A HALT

IF EVERY ONE OF ANY BELOW DECIDED NOT TO GO TO WORK

Get over yourselves :unamused:

Power station employee
Water board employee
NHS
Council worker
Policeman/woman
Train/rail workers eg no trains delivering coal to power stations.
Fish n chip shop owners

Etc etc

The country would grind to a halt if fish n chip shop owners didn’t turn in? :confused: You sure?

Looking at most drivers bellys chips is all they live on so no trucks on the road after 2 days due to hunger

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Dennisthemenace:

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rearaxle:
If every british lorry driver did this, this country will be on it’s kness with in a couple of days …do you really know how powerfull it is being a lorry driver…thoughts please…

If every British lorry driver stayed home immigrants would drive the lorries and no one would notice … do you really know how powerful it is being an immigrant ?

I’m a migrant mate, and I refused to replace British collagues when they’ve been on strike. But other British drivers did not refuse…
Do not think, if some one haven’t been born in the country they have to be silly. I work hard since my age of 15 and I’m a member of the Union too. And I hope, not I’m the only one who thinks this way. :frowning: :frowning:

I wasn’t meaning to offend mate, I just meant that there are a lot of immigrant drivers in this country so if British drivers stayed home the job would still get done.

I respect your decision to support strikers but there are many who would not, and many of them, though not all, are are not British.

Fine, mate, I’m not offended at all. I just want you to know, migrants not necessarily strike breakers. This country our home too, and I feel solidarity with the drivers community I belong to. We are in the same boat. :sunglasses:

jrt:
why is shelf stacking the only other line of work drivers seem to refer too when the subject of hourly wages comes up ? ?

Just needed a change from burger flippers! Wot do ya suggest now?

Drivers would and will not stick together over a decision on who gets to use the coffee machine first, never mind this issue.

As we currently live in a country where a surgeon that saves lives every day gets a yearly basic salary of about the same as a weekly wage for a professional Premiership footballer, there is no end to the stupidness in every walk of society. Most folk don’t realise that if they own it, it arrived on a truck at some point…

All of which means that sympathy for striking truck drivers is likely to be small.

Though, in principle I agree that all drivers should walk out and stay out for a week… it would be a very interesting experiment.

I don’t quite understand what the point would be for a walk out, a pointless antagonistic stance that would ensure those in power took steps to ensure that back up in the event of a full scale strike was already in place, keep your powder dry lads it might be really needed yet.

Until drivers get together, unionise, vote in the right unbuyable people as shop stewards, and negotiate better terms and conditions for themsleves, then the race to the bottom continues.

As mentioned previously the worse thing we ever did in this industry was to make the job so bloody easy, you need no strength or nous or even the competence to select a bloody gear to drive a modern lorry, Christs sake some even winge about having to put some straps over the load which some other bugger put on their curtain sider.

Dumbing down the job to the lowest common denominator was our biggest own goal, when little or no skills are required for a job then any bugger can and will do it, when it was hard bloody graft there was always a shortage of those able and willing.

i don’t know if i never noticed it in the past, or it wasn’t there, but race to the bottom seems to be a new buzz phrase on here.

surely, race to the bottom comes part and parcel with capitalism? and the race to the bottom is still present in the boom times as it is in the bust times. in the dizzy heights of 05’ people were still only paying as little as they could get away with. the same as the football club is only paying as little as they can get away with for a particular player.

don’t most people employ a race to the bottom mentality when buying stuff? getting what they want, at the quality they want, as cheap as they can, you know good old fashioned shopping about!!

The DCPC is coming in next August,and a lot of older drivers will be packing up. Some before then,as they are due for medical or licence renewal etc. There will be a shortage of drivers . Not all the foreign drivers that many people think are going to take these vacancies will be qualified, so just sit tight and wait.

Dave the Renegade:
The DCPC is coming in next August,and a lot of older drivers will be packing up. Some before then,as they are due for medical or licence renewal etc. There will be a shortage of drivers . Not all the foreign drivers that many people think are going to take these vacancies will be qualified, so just sit tight and wait.

i’ve said for a while, drivers should embrace the dcpc and push for it to be proper, harder and tested