well done wildfire.
I guess the clue was in the title,and was missed by almost everybody.
robbo 99 has a very good grasp on it as well.
yes we are taking think to court not hmrc.
wildfire:
peirre:
Good luck anyone who wants to join the class action against HMRC/THINK, but IMO you’ve more chance of seeing pigs fly, than winning the case.the way I read it they are taking Think accounting to court not the hmrc!!!
And when they loose, there will no doubt be a case fought with HMRC.
As non of the tax dodgers will want to pay their tax bills, which is why everyone is trying to lay the blame at think accounting’s door. Ignoring the fact that it is they,the driver(s) who are responsible for the way their individual company(s) where operated
Honestscott76:
If what I think is so irrelevant to you why take the time to comment? With regards “declaring where my facts come from” I perceive that as your interested. What a condescending muppet you are.
Insults are always better than answering the question!
sunbeam:
well done wildfire.
I guess the clue was in the title,and was missed by almost everybody.
robbo 99 has a very good grasp on it as well.
yes we are taking think to court not hmrc.
You think you are taking on Think but give it a few months and you won’t be just taking on them.
I worked for an agency years ago in North Lanarkshire quite happy PAYE getting lots of shifts. Suddenly told moving to new payroll system, i said nah fine on current payroll system. “Oh this one a lot better they calculate mileage, expenses etc… you pay very little tax”. I said no i get tax credits don’t want to mess things up". Week later you have to go onto this payroll scheme we are outsourcing it the company will contact you. They sent me a load of stuff seemed too good to be true etc… assured me it was all legal etc… still wasn’t interested and i refused to sign up. The agency just signed me up anyways. For about a month i was on this payroll scheme and the payslips just didn’t seem right, so i left the agency. They asked me to come back a few months later i said not on that payroll system they said dont worry we arent using it doing it the way we used to normal PAYE or you can arrange to go self employed.
A lot of agencies same thing forcing drivers to go onto these schemes, these companies assuring you its all legit.
I dont know the in’s and out’s of the law but i can’t see how someone isn’t liable because a lot of drivers weren’t asking to go on these schemes or seeking them out to avoid paying taxes, they were forced onto them and lied to.
yes I am taking on think,they are the ones that have caused all the problems for over 2000 drivers/companies.
like my first post,if this affects you get in touch with the solicitor im using.
Kenny1975:
A lot of agencies same thing forcing drivers to go onto these schemes, these companies assuring you its all legit.I dont know the in’s and out’s of the law but i can’t see how someone isn’t liable because a lot of drivers weren’t asking to go on these schemes or seeking them out to avoid paying taxes, they were forced onto them and lied to.
Kenny no one forced anyone to accept theses schemes, as you previously stated you used the most obvious way of refusing to accept it, by walking away.
Others had the financial carrot dangles in front of em, and just like everyone else who when signing up for agency work. Blindly accepts what they’re told, as 99.9% of people who sign up, never read or understand what they’re signing. All that matters to them is they hope to get work. So any scheme that makes out that they’ll earn “significantly” 
more will only see pound signs not sense.
If more people had done what you did when these schemes where initially implemented, and walked away, no doubt they’d have been dropped due to lack of uptake & lack of available staff
I am not aware of anyone being forced to sign up with Think, nor signing an initial contract. Think were advertising their services as an Accountant to do Accounting/Book Keeping, indeed it was called Mypay prior to Think. If a Driver can offer his services via a Ltd Co and do his own books then the concept of what Mypay/Think offered initially was perfectly legal.
For those of us who have had dealings with Think, either directly or indirectly, then those are the people who are in a position to state facts not assumptions. Think constantly changed their practises over time and tied people in with the FRS VAT, thus pocketing companies VAT money right in full view of HMRC. But HMRC weren’t bothered as they were getting their cut!
The legal action against Think is welcome, I very much doubt any legal action will be taken against HMRC, but appeals are in place for those who have been landed with large tax bills due to the MSC Legislation.
My advice would be to appeal.
Had to laugh when I read this
telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers … -bill.html
quite a few have made contact with my solicitor, so well done.
anybody else need to make contact now is the time.
robbo99 thanks for your support.you have a good grasp on the situation.
peirre:
Kenny1975:
A lot of agencies same thing forcing drivers to go onto these schemes, these companies assuring you its all legit.I dont know the in’s and out’s of the law but i can’t see how someone isn’t liable because a lot of drivers weren’t asking to go on these schemes or seeking them out to avoid paying taxes, they were forced onto them and lied to.
Kenny no one forced anyone to accept theses schemes, as you previously stated you used the most obvious way of refusing to accept it, by walking away.
Others had the financial carrot dangles in front of em, and just like everyone else who when signing up for agency work. Blindly accepts what they’re told, as 99.9% of people who sign up, never read or understand what they’re signing. All that matters to them is they hope to get work. So any scheme that makes out that they’ll earn “significantly”
If more people had done what you did when these schemes where initially implemented, and walked away, no doubt they’d have been dropped due to lack of uptake & lack of available staff
but isn’t the whole point of being S/E or LTD to reduce your tax/liabilities? even when we ran our own trucks a decent accountant can knock thousands off your bill each year. its also why so many tradesmen run on similar.
Exactly war1974 but some people cant get their head around that concept. 
There’s a fine line between tax efficiency and tax avoidance. Hmrc obviously feel these schemes are too close to the latter
it depends on who is running them I guess, but 99% of businesses will use an accountant to avoid paying as much as if they didn’t.
hence the old saying a decent accountant can save you 4-5 times their fee.
That’s the whole point. We all want to avoid paying tax, so we pay accountants to make us tax efficient. Some of these accountants, think and the like, are obviously cowboys in the eyes of Hmrc. When you think of what a good accountant will charge just to sign you off, when you do your own books, what do you seriously think you’re getting for £15 a week? Pay peanuts get monkeys
paying £2300 per year is hardly peanuts.
when you break it all down that is what think were charging/fiddling from me and others.
hence the legal action etc.
That’s a lot of money
so more bills are being sent out this month,if your involved get in touch with the solicitor
on page 1 of this post.
sunbeam:
paying £2300 per year is hardly peanuts.
OVLOV JAY:
:shock:
It IS a lot on money.
I’ve just filed my 2014/15 accounts and my accountant charges less than a 1/4 of that.
£2300 is a heck of a lot of money to pay for an accountant for a year but that is were the parasites at Think Accounting conned money out of their clients. The £2300 will be made up of fees and then the Ltd Cos VAT that they kept. This is one of the reasons why legal action is being taken against them.