truckman020:
personally I reckon it’s an accident waiting to happen,yes the instructor will be there with dual controls but how many times have you been behind a learner on normal roads and they don’t make progress like they are supposed to[in my time you failed a test for not making progress]the same could happen on a motorway when the instructor tells them to speed up,their bottle could go when the likes of us are going by them,or they might stall,or brake suddenly,i am absolutely against it,as I said an accident waiting to happen.
What you do not seem to realise is on a normal road a student may be on their first few hours of driving and most at that stage are not capable of making normal progress no matter who is sitting beside them. You still fail your test for not making progress by the way.
Hopefully any ADI will wait till they have enough experience before going on a motorway with a learner driver.
I have read about some on here think drivers should go for a ride in a truck to see the so called difficulties. Well maybe truck drivers should sit in while a learner is being taught and it may open their
eyes somewhat! Infact a BIG lot.
adam277:
Doesn’t seem like a big deal. Heck if you live near a motorway you should be expected to use it before you get given a licence.
And if you don’t??
Then you don’t take use a motorway as part of your test.
I’m making a few presumptions. 1 is that the test centre is near a motorway and 2 is that the Learner is using a local test centre.
If both those are true then they should use a motorway as part of their test/training.
Much better then them to jump on a motorway as soon as they pass their test with no idea how to use one which is very likely if they live right next to one.
My worry is the ADI’s. While I’m sure that most are perfectly capable of instructing on the motorway, I remember getting a whole lot of ‘honkage’ from an instructor leaning over his student to blast the horn because I couldn’t move over to let them join a dual carriageway. He obviously thought I should have ‘let them on’.
So the quality of instruction worries me. Surely, unless specific further training is given, then it is purely down to how the ADI deals with motorways. ADI’s are trained and tested on non-motorway roads, as far as I know, but happy to be put right if that’s not the case.
I agree with the principle, but would rather either there be specific extra training given to ADI’s (who may never have used a motorway themselves) or there be a separate test for using a motorway after passing the normal test.
adam277:
Doesn’t seem like a big deal. Heck if you live near a motorway you should be expected to use it before you get given a licence.
And if you don’t??
Then you don’t take use a motorway as part of your test.
I’m making a few presumptions. 1 is that the test centre is near a motorway and 2 is that the Learner is using a local test centre.
If both those are true then they should use a motorway as part of their test/training.
Surely this is what already happens with HGV tests? You’ll use a motorway unless there isn’t one nearby?
truckman020:
personally I reckon it’s an accident waiting to happen,yes the instructor will be there with dual controls but how many times have you been behind a learner on normal roads and they don’t make progress like they are supposed to[in my time you failed a test for not making progress]the same could happen on a motorway when the instructor tells them to speed up,their bottle could go when the likes of us are going by them,or they might stall,or brake suddenly,i am absolutely against it,as I said an accident waiting to happen.
when was increased speed limit for Hgv i single cariageway that some drivers as talk who will end of world but all ok.
Andrejs,sorry fella but you are not making any sense in your reply
truckman020:
personally I reckon it’s an accident waiting to happen,yes the instructor will be there with dual controls but how many times have you been behind a learner on normal roads and they don’t make progress like they are supposed to[in my time you failed a test for not making progress]the same could happen on a motorway when the instructor tells them to speed up,their bottle could go when the likes of us are going by them,or they might stall,or brake suddenly,i am absolutely against it,as I said an accident waiting to happen.
What you do not seem to realise is on a normal road a student may be on their first few hours of driving and most at that stage are not capable of making normal progress no matter who is sitting beside them. You still fail your test for not making progress by the way.
Hopefully any ADI will wait till they have enough experience before going on a motorway with a learner driver.
I have read about some on here think drivers should go for a ride in a truck to see the so called difficulties. Well maybe truck drivers should sit in while a learner is being taught and it may open their
eyes somewhat! Infact a BIG lot.
jakethesnake,i still have my reservations on this,but I guess time will tell,as you say ADIs are not stupid enough to let them on the motorway until they [ADI] feel the pupil is competent enough,regarding the progress part I honestly thought the making progress part was taken away from tests,one reason I said that was because the amount of learners I have sat behind and waited and waited for them to pull off,even when all was clear.
See Brake the self appointed road fixers [emoji6] had to get their tuppence in wanting to ban access to motorways with unless x yrs driving etc
Why anyone wants to ask that shower anything is beyond me other than bit of news fill
I think it’s a good idea and should be mandatory for part of lessons.
It’s bit worrying left up to instructor to decide if pupil good enough, if they’re good enough to pass test then why differentiate not good enough for motorway lesson.
Wonder how many actually have dual controls anymore ?
truckman020:
personally I reckon it’s an accident waiting to happen,yes the instructor will be there with dual controls but how many times have you been behind a learner on normal roads and they don’t make progress like they are supposed to[in my time you failed a test for not making progress]the same could happen on a motorway when the instructor tells them to speed up,their bottle could go when the likes of us are going by them,or they might stall,or brake suddenly,i am absolutely against it,as I said an accident waiting to happen.
What you do not seem to realise is on a normal road a student may be on their first few hours of driving and most at that stage are not capable of making normal progress no matter who is sitting beside them. You still fail your test for not making progress by the way.
Hopefully any ADI will wait till they have enough experience before going on a motorway with a learner driver.
I have read about some on here think drivers should go for a ride in a truck to see the so called difficulties. Well maybe truck drivers should sit in while a learner is being taught and it may open their
eyes somewhat! Infact a BIG lot.
jakethesnake,i still have my reservations on this,but I guess time will tell,as you say ADIs are not stupid enough to let them on the motorway until they [ADI] feel the pupil is competent enough,regarding the progress part I honestly thought the making progress part was taken away from tests,one reason I said that was because the amount of learners I have sat behind and waited and waited for them to pull off,even when all was clear.
I understand your confusion and frustration but I think until you actually have taught someone (who has no aptitude towards driving) you like most do not realise the problems instructors face.
When it comes to making progress (which still exsists in a test) it is or was one of the biggest failure points (including LGV tests) and usually because the student is not up to scratch or full of nerves. In my opinion some drivers need to have more patience with learners and a bit more understanding of the situation. I feel sorry for learners these days with all the aggressive driving we see.
grumpybum:
My worry is the ADI’s. While I’m sure that most are perfectly capable of instructing on the motorway, I remember getting a whole lot of ‘honkage’ from an instructor leaning over his student to blast the horn because I couldn’t move over to let them join a dual carriageway. He obviously thought I should have ‘let them on’.
So the quality of instruction worries me. Surely, unless specific further training is given, then it is purely down to how the ADI deals with motorways. ADI’s are trained and tested on non-motorway roads, as far as I know, but happy to be put right if that’s not the case.
I agree with the principle, but would rather either there be specific extra training given to ADI’s (who may never have used a motorway themselves) or there be a separate test for using a motorway after passing the normal test.
I get where you are coming from as I notice these type of things from time to time but I can assure you every ADI knows every rule regarding motorways and is consistently tested on all rules.
Whether they stick to them is another story. Suppose it’s like most jobs, you have the good and you have the bad.
I think if learners are allowed on roads like the A34, there’s no reason not to allow them on motorways which are much better laid out (none of the T-junction slip roads you get on dual carriageways these days).
I think it’s funny how some people think that it’s going to be dangerous for learners under instruction to use the motorway, but it’s obviously completely fine for a learner to pass their test and use the motorway the next morning!
That’s symptomatic of so much of the attitude that’s clogging up this country - focus on the tick in the box, the piece of paper, instead of the training.
I can’t see much of a problem .They let us out on the roads with a few hours of training.
As long as it educates the correct way in motorway driving, it could benefit us all.
Amazed that its taken so long. In 1981 my instructor said it was ludicrous to let new drivers loose on motorways without any training. Before I took my test he got me to drive on the A19 near Sunderland saying it was the closest thing to a motorway, ( slip roads, two carriageways, higher speeds etc). Seemed logical at the time?
Been a few photos in my feed on Facebook from people complaining about learner drivers on the motorway. The funniest part they’ve not worked out is that in almost every photo I’ve seen the learner driver is the only car in the correct lane.
When my kids did their driving lessons / test - they then opted for the Pass Plus. This was a two hour plus extra lesson with the instructor who took them onto the motorway and taught them how to use it properly.
I don’t see why they just couldn’t make the Pass Plus mandatory as it meant that those on the motorway doing this had at least enough skills to pass their test !
Mandatory lessons on the motorway are needed though as many people are actually afraid to drive on them or just have no clue !
