just an idea but why don’t all these schools get together [and some are big like BSM so are worth a fair bit]and buy a huge chunk of land and have a mock town built with real roads,lights,junctions and so on it may cost a few million but i’m sure the big schools have the money
Might not be so daft after all, you could then ram it full with mock people.
Conor:
muckles:
but I see places in France where learner drivers have a private road network to train on. Might be good way of getting used to the vehicle before taking to the public road network.The Defence School of Driving has such a road network and they’re still utterly crap the first time they hit a public highway.
And that is why Cottingham’s roads are all weight restricted!!!
As was said , we all had to learn at some time and the instructor is legally in charge of the vehicle . The problem is with poor instructors , when i watch some of them locally they are totally clueless . I was once turning left into a narrow street and took the necessary wide swing with the indicators on , this was with a 45 footer , only to see a learner coming up the inside with nowhere to go as the unit was in the road end . The instructor jumped out and started ranting that i was in the wrong lane and i wasn’t fit to drive a lorry , and he wouldn’t be told any different . Luckily pc plod arrived in his car , listened to both our sides of the argument and then took the guy out of earshot . I don’t know what was said but the instructor was very red faced and flustered when he got back in the car . With that level of ignorance supposedly "teaching " people what chance do the learners stand .
My bug bear is when they stop on a main road to talk about the finer points of driving(not using petrol but charging top dollar all the same).They could stop on an industrial estate or in a resedential area.
My car instructor was top notch, he definitely made the point of making progress, as did my lorry instructor. I started learning to control a vehicle on a friends farm with a knackered old 110 land rover. Clutch control was great but i spent a lot of time recalibrating my reaction times as on the farm i was rarely going above 10mph. Yes its frustrating to be stuck behind a learner especially if theyre making a lot of mistakes but we were all there once.
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the maoster:
A learner driver making mistakes and or holding me up does not bother me in the slightest, all they are doing is putting more money in my wage packet. A fully qualified driver acting like a ■■■■ gets my goat. Just go with the flow guys, chilling out never killed anybody, stress did.
Yep, learners do pretty much what you expect them to do, everything slowly…
Erratic drivers are far more of a menace, I particularly love the ones that overtake you to then pull in front and brake for absolutely no reason whatsoever! 
Elderly drivers deserve more grief than learners. They’ve been driving for years but can’t go any faster than a learner, and as they’re so experienced should realise their reactions are so poor they should remove the Werthers from the glovebox and hang up the keys.
Red driving school however, open season. Probably the worst of all instructors I’ve ever seen.
As much as they can be a nuisance, i always think back to when i took my car test, not so much traffic then, and i never needed to take a hgv ( there wasnt one ) but i always have thoughts for the learner, we were all learners at one point…some of you guys lack patience, and you need to chill out if you think a few minutes of your time is gonna be wasted.
I don’t mind them, hell I only passed my car test 4 years ago. I usually stay well back from them because the last they need is a massive lorry up their chuff, plus they are unpredictable. You don’t know if they are test ready or green as grass. I’ve seen some terrible displays of driving from learners but they are learning and if you’re far enough away you can react to whatever happens in good time and minimal loss of forward motion.
Getting angry at a learner is counterproductive, you’ll just make them even more nervous which will make them go even slower.
I’ve seen instructors on a few occasions egg on a student to pull out in front of traffic from a side road, where they will blatantly become a rolling road block.
Also had a run in with one of Reds’ when he made a student stop dead infront of me for no reason other than to do a hill start. Which was a farce anyway.
We were all learners once 
…looks like there’s a lot of short memories on here patience is a virtue after all… 
the maoster:
chilling out never killed anybody
I beg to differ -
truckman020:
BSM and other major driving schools are nationwide,all over the UK,or are you too stupid to realise that
That isn’t what you said though, is it?
You said they should buy “a” piece of land. Implying singular.
You rather thick, angry little man.
A.
I regularly drive along a road leading to the driving test centre which has a 40mph limit and I comply with that, however, many learners do not and I am overtaken many times.
One other point, when the HGV driving test was introduced you could take your lessons driving an artic. without have passed a car test and this was used by people because there were long delays in getting car tests but HGV tests could be done in days and the same with retests. Think about that!