Just a quickie. If my girlfriend is learning to drive a car, how old does the person sat next to her need to be and how long do they need to have held their licence for?
Rog or any other LGV instructor know please?
Over 21 held license for three years or more
garnerlives:
Over 21 held license for three years or more
and if anything happens while they are out with the learner the passanger takes the rap for it 
also must be sat in the front passenger seat i believe, unless tis an urban myth
Spot on have held car licence 3 years and be over 21 years of age, and fit to drive.
dangerousdave:
Just a quickie. If my girlfriend is learning to drive a car, how old does the person sat next to her need to be and how long do they need to have held their licence for?
Rog or any other LGV instructor know please?
if your using your car or any car come to that that anybody else’s drives remember to take the ‘L’ plates off when she is not driving as i do believe that is an offence 
- just as it is if they are not displayed when the learner is driving, not sure what the punishment is though 
and if using magnetic plates check to make sure the front one hasnt blow off when you hit 88mph… 
garnerlives:
also must be sat in the front passenger seat i believe, unless tis an urban myth
yes have to be in the front seat…
if a traffic cop past you ‘supervising’ and you were on the phone wouldnt you technically get the points and fine
I’ll dispell a few MYTHS -
(A) Supervising driver does not have to sit in the front passenger seat.
(B) ‘L’ plates do not have to be removed by law when there is no learner in the car
(C) The supervisor is not responsible for the learner breaking of the law
(D) Over 21 with 3 years on licence from passing the test for the catagory to be supervising is correct 
(E) Both Learner and supervisor must be insured - correct
ROG:
(B) ‘L’ plates do not have to be removed by law when there is no learner in the car
hi Rog
Law MV(DL)R reg 16 & sched 4]
Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).
Should - not MUST - it’s not law
ROG:
Should - not MUST - it’s not law
is the hight way code not law then cos if it is not what’s the point
that quote is in the highway code
delboytwo:
ROG:
Should - not MUST - it’s not lawis the hight way code not law then cos if it is not what’s the point
that quote is in the highway code
the Highway Code is not law, but it does include many points of law (denoted by the word must in bold type). And failing to observe the code, while not in itself an offence, may be taken as evidence of ‘driving without due care’
this is going to be another one of those delboytwo&ROG shows again 
delboytwo:
ROG:
Should - not MUST - it’s not lawis the hight way code not law then cos if it is not what’s the point
that quote is in the highway code
It’s a CODE of reasonable behaviour apart from the bits in RED that are law.
However, as in anything that is in the highway code and not law, if found that not conforming to the code caused or was in any way partially responsible for contributing to an incident then the police/court can use that against the driver.
just seen the post by pecjam23 - SNAP !!!
bullys bugger i forgot to slip the words truck into on of my posts to keep it in the PDF
does this not come under safety and law then
OK, remember to inform the learner about TRUCKS 
Too late - it’s been moved to ‘Bully’s’ !!! -
ADD/EDIT - and now it’s not !!!
i have see cars with L plates on with a black bit of tape across it, i have also see driving schools with the same to show that there is no one under instruction, ask your self this if a police officer saw a car with an L plate on display and there was no one in the car except the driver would that not give to police a reason to stop the car, i know it says should but it uses a term of law to say it buy giving giving you this
delboytwo:
Law MV(DL)R reg 16 & sched 4
in that this been
1999 No. 2864
ROAD TRAFFIC
The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999
so if you read it you will see you need an L plate for learning only so it should be removed when no learning that why i post my post as your say its not law ok that but there say it should be moved or covered
also ask you this when i took my LGV class two in 05 why did the instructor take the L plates off when he was driving but put them back on when i was driving never asked him but reading what i post my explain it to me that is
delboytwo:
if a police officer saw a car with an L plate on display and there was no one in the car except the driver would that not give to police a reason to stop the car
As my questions on this issue were directed at a police traffic officer then I can tell you that the answer is no.
delboytwo:
when i took my LGV class two in 05 why did the instructor take the L plates off when he was driving but put them back on when i was driving
Totally up to the instructor but not a legal requirement.
delboytwo:
if a police officer saw a car with an L plate on display and there was no one in the car except the driver would that not give to police a reason to stop the car
It may well cause this to happen which is why it would be a good idea for a qualified driver in this situation to remove them, however as ROG says they wouldn’t be commiting an offence specific to displaying L plates.
ROG:
I’ll dispell a few MYTHS -
(A) Supervising driver does not have to sit in the front passenger seat.(C) The supervisor is not responsible for the learner breaking of the law
Does that mean they can be lying in the back drunk?