Learner driver question

Hey guys chillout! I only asked, I didnt want to start a bleeding riot :smiley:

mrpj:

ROG:
I’ll dispell a few MYTHS -
(A) Supervising driver does not have to sit in the front passenger seat.

(C) The supervisor is not responsible for the learner breaking of the law

Does that mean they can be lying in the back drunk? :smiley:

I think it says something in the rules that says that sort of thing is not allowed :wink:

ROG:

mrpj:

ROG:
I’ll dispell a few MYTHS -
(A) Supervising driver does not have to sit in the front passenger seat.

(C) The supervisor is not responsible for the learner breaking of the law

Does that mean they can be lying in the back drunk? :smiley:

I think it says something in the rules that says that sort of thing is not allowed :wink:

It was actually a half serious question, I’m sure I read about an instructor (ADI registered) who was in this situation but I couldn’t remember the outcome. What would be the offence though? You’re not driving so I suppose it’s a DR40

It’s probably some sort of offence that rarely gets used - such as - not properly supervising a learner.

Rog would you say that RoSPA is a leading body

this question was ask on there web site and this is what there say

helpingldrivers.com/questions/index.htm

Q: Can I keep the L plates on my car all the time or do I have to remove them when my son, who is learning to drive, has finished his lesson?

A: You cannot keep the L plates on the car once the learner has finished driving. These plates are for learner drivers only and enable other drivers to alter their behaviour accordingly. The use of L plates by non-learner drivers is an offence and you can be pulled over for their incorrect use.

mrpj:

ROG:
I’ll dispell a few MYTHS -
(A) Supervising driver does not have to sit in the front passenger seat.

(C) The supervisor is not responsible for the learner breaking of the law

Does that mean they can be lying in the back drunk? :smiley:

no mate

Other Restrictions

When you are supervising a learner driver, you have the same legal responsibilities as if you were driving. For example, the drink drive laws and the ban on using mobile phone applies to anyone who is supervising a learner - you are deemed to be in control of the vehicle.

It is illegal to receive any payment for accompanying a learner driver, unless you are an Approved Driving Instructor and hold the ADI certificate from the Driving Standards Agency.

delboytwo:
Rog would you say that RoSPA is a leading body

this question was ask on there web site and this is what there say

helpingldrivers.com/questions/index.htm

Q: Can I keep the L plates on my car all the time or do I have to remove them when my son, who is learning to drive, has finished his lesson?

A: You cannot keep the L plates on the car once the learner has finished driving. These plates are for learner drivers only and enable other drivers to alter their behaviour accordingly. The use of L plates by non-learner drivers is an offence and you can be pulled over for their incorrect use.

This was discussed on the ADUK site and found to be incorrect advice
The ADUK site has ROSPA, IAM & police traffic on it as members

i will stand by my post and say you should remove them

delboytwo:

ROG:
(B) ‘L’ plates do not have to be removed by law when there is no learner in the car

hi Rog

Law MV(DL)R reg 16 & sched 4]

Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).

and why you say i thought i look up the word should in the Oxford dictionary

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should

  • modal verb (3rd sing. should) 1 used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness. 2 used to indicate what is probable. 3 formal expressing the conditional mood. 4 used in a clause with ‘that’ after a main clause describing feelings. 5 used in a clause with ‘that’ expressing purpose. 6 (in the first person) expressing a polite request or acceptance. 7 (in the first person) expressing a conjecture or hope.

– USAGE Strictly speaking should is used with I and we, as in I should be grateful if you would let me know, while would is used with you, he, she, it, and they, as in you didn’t say you would be late; in practice would is normally used instead of should in reported speech and conditional clauses, such as I said I would be late. In speech the distinction tends to be obscured, through the use of the contracted forms I’d, we’d, etc.

delboytwo:
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should

  • modal verb (3rd sing. should) 1 used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness. 2 used to indicate what is probable. 3 formal expressing the conditional mood. 4 used in a clause with ‘that’ after a main clause describing feelings. 5 used in a clause with ‘that’ expressing purpose. 6 (in the first person) expressing a polite request or acceptance. 7 (in the first person) expressing a conjecture or hope.

– USAGE Strictly speaking should is used with I and we, as in I should be grateful if you would let me know, while would is used with you, he, she, it, and they, as in you didn’t say you would be late; in practice would is normally used instead of should in reported speech and conditional clauses, such as I said I would be late. In speech the distinction tends to be obscured, through the use of the contracted forms I’d, we’d, etc.

I can see what you’re saying but the law tends to use the word MUST when it’s a compulsory requirement. Also, there’s an offence for a provisional licence holder not displaying, PL10, but I can’t see what a full licence holder (if displaying was an offence) would get.

ask your selfs this can you driver on a motorway with l plates on

delboytwo:
ask your selfs this can you driver on a motorway with l plates on

YES - the ‘learner’ is not allowed but the car with L plates is - might cause more attention from the enforcement agencies though :wink:

i notice this topic as moved locations again :exclamation: i should be a mod, i know were topics are meant to go :wink: :wink: :wink: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

ROG:
It’s probably some sort of offence that rarely gets used - such as - not properly supervising a learner.

As the supervisor of a learner, wouldn’t you be in charge of the vehicle and learner ?
If you were asleep, drunk, on the rear seat, you would be drunk in charge…

delboytwo:
ask your selfs this can you driver on a motorway with l plates on

YES YES YES YES YES YOU CAN!!!

I went on th M6 Southbound on my driving test. The vehcile had L plates on it!!!

Guess Why■■?

delboytwo:

ROG:
Should - not MUST - it’s not law

is the hight way code not law then cos if it is not what’s the point

that quote is in the highway code

You missed out page 4 paragraph 3.

truckerjimbo:

delboytwo:
ask your selfs this can you driver on a motorway with l plates on

YES YES YES YES YES YOU CAN!!!

I went on th M6 Southbound on my driving test. The vehcile had L plates on it!!!

Guess Why■■?

you were doing an upgrade test of some sort :question:

ROG:

truckerjimbo:

delboytwo:
ask your selfs this can you driver on a motorway with l plates on

YES YES YES YES YES YOU CAN!!!

I went on th M6 Southbound on my driving test. The vehcile had L plates on it!!!

Guess Why■■?

you were doing an upgrade test of some sort :question:

■■ Class Two Rog