JeffA:
It would a funny world if true
Which part of my post do you feel is untrue? It’s not exactly a secret that Labour would re-join the eu in a heartbeat if it ever got into power, which obviously it won’t do in our lifetimes.
Harry Monk:
JeffA:
It would a funny world if trueWhich part of my post do you feel is untrue? It’s not exactly a secret that Labour would re-join the eu in a heartbeat if it ever got into power, which obviously it won’t do in our lifetimes.
Some of us have got more than 5-10 years left to live Harry.
Whilst never having been a Labour voter I don’t see the problem with their call:
“The long-term problems in the HGV sector will not be solved by making drivers work longer hours but by training workers and improving their terms and conditions.
What we are seeing across our economy should be a wake-up call to Government that insecurity and low pay cannot build the high performing economy we need.
It’s time for the Prime Minister to take this situation seriously and appoint a minister to work across Government and come up with a clear plan with businesses and unions to improve wages and conditions in key sectors.”
And in the short term to ameliorate issues (that have or haven’t been) caused by Brexit :-
“We continue to call for temporary visas to be considered for roles with severe shortages such as HGV drivers, as well as adding these roles to the Shortage Occupation List as soon as possible. These will be the most effective routes to relieving the rising pressure in this area in the short term.”
Please educate me as to what is wrong with that call ■■
No one with half a brain will listen to Labour the champagne boys have been rumbled .Manchester Mayor has been tipped for deputy PM while Manchester have record homeless and they still want free movement and a welcome to all .
Build5:
That cheap foreign labour is like crack cocaine to these people - they know it’s bad for everyone long term, but one more hit on the pipe won’t hurt!
Absolutely bang on,
and labour are supposed to be the party of the working man ,don`t make me laugh.
one half are sneering metropolitan liberal tory lites, the other half a lunatic marxist mob stuck the seventies who seemingly despise their own country and sing to red flag and listen to billy bragg songs[remember him who now preaches from his million pound pile in burton bradstock…let the revolution begin comrades.
whisperingsmith:
Please educate me as to what is wrong with that call ■■
There aren’t any…
Drivers in Europe either.
globalcoldchainnews.com/dri … -european/
Short of drivers in the US too.
resources.coyote.com/source/dri … nfographic
I haven’t fact checked either story but I think the general direction is the same… there ain’t no drivers no mo’.
JeffA:
“Sensible” “Vote tory…”?
The question is, are you going to allow Labour to survive scot free under its current management?
So if there is a common shortage of drivers, Labour’s call for "improved terms & conditions and that insecurity and low pay cannot build the high performing economy we need."
Is surely on Target whether you like the Party, or like me dislike them ■■?
Rjan:
trustworthy socialist).
Is that an oxymoron?
Oxymoron: a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction eg, American Intelligence
Juddian:
robroy:
Another thing is if you do not participate you kinda forfeit the right to complain about the result when it is not the one you would have went for…whatever that reason may be.Not really, if you walk into a shop and they have nothing you want to buy you walk out again empty handed, you don’t buy something you know is rubbish just so you’ve earned the right to complain about said pointless shop.
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Ok but that analogy doesn’t really work for this case Juddian.
It would if as I said everybody took the stance by not voting.
In your example you leave both potential options in the shop, forget about them, and move on…you don’t have one of those products or options,.and the one you least like into the bargain, coming back to haunt you, ■■■■ ing up your life for the next 5 years after ignoring them both.
nexus8:
Build5:
That cheap foreign labour is like crack cocaine to these people - they know it’s bad for everyone long term, but one more hit on the pipe won’t hurt!Absolutely bang on,
and labour are supposed to be the party of the working man ,don`t make me laugh.
one half are sneering metropolitan liberal tory lites, the other half a lunatic marxist mob stuck the seventies who seemingly despise their own country and sing to red flag and listen to billy bragg songs[remember him who now preaches from his million pound pile in burton bradstock…let the revolution begin comrades.
Did you read this in the daily heil?
Santa:
Rjan:
trustworthy socialist).Is that an oxymoron?
Oxymoron: a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction eg, American Intelligence
No it isnt. Trust Boris is.
JeffA:
bigstraight6:
0Not as simple as “all northern bigots together collecting ■■■■ memorabilia” - times have changed.
Is this bloke (sorry person as I don’t wish to offend) for real? Lord give me strength.
bigstraight6:
JeffA:
bigstraight6:
0Not as simple as “all northern bigots together collecting ■■■■ memorabilia” - times have changed.
Is this bloke (sorry person as I don’t wish to offend) for real? Lord give me strength.
Look - we all dressed in manly duffel coats and had 58" guts in the 80s - it was rubbish wasnt it.
If someone likes pink caps and braces good for them - I wont feel insecure.
yourhavingalarf:
manalishi:
Best of 2 Evils…so ‘vote’ for a lesser evil ?
What do you…
Suggest we do when the next 4 yearly annual ■■■■ kissing fest begins?
I’d love an alternative but there just isn’t one with the present system.
In Election 2024 - I predict that any party that fields over 500 candidates nationwide as a “4th name on the ballot papers” - will do VERY well indeed!
DCPCFML:
Harry Monk:
JeffA:
It would a funny world if trueWhich part of my post do you feel is untrue? It’s not exactly a secret that Labour would re-join the eu in a heartbeat if it ever got into power, which obviously it won’t do in our lifetimes.
Some of us have got more than 5-10 years left to live Harry.
IF Keir Starmer got elected PM because say, the Tories raised taxes and got hammered at the polls for it…
… The public would likely ask Keir Starmer TWO questions:
(a) Would you take us back into the EU if you were PM at some point?
(b) Would you reverse the hated Tory tax rises that we voted you in to reverse again - immediately?
Now figure out a way he could state in no uncertain terms - his intent that would actually be credible by the some 5m extra voters that Labour would need to muster - to win the 2024 election…
A good number of those extra votes required - would have to be from those who voted Leave, and those who disliked the Tory Tax Rises…
My prediction for the 2024 election at present is that Labour would have a couple of seats more than the Tories - BUT both of them falling so far below a majority that either a Rainbow Coalition happens or worse - a fresh election a few months later, because the rabble in parliament simply cannot form a government that doesn’t involve the Tories…
For Labour to win outright - Labour need to do to the SNP the same as what the Tories did to Farage’s UKIP. 
Winseer:
yourhavingalarf:
manalishi:
Best of 2 EvilsWhat do you…
Suggest we do when the next 4 yearly annual ■■■■ kissing fest begins?
I’d love an alternative but there just isn’t one with the present system.
In Election 2024 - I predict that any party that fields over 500 candidates nationwide as a “4th name on the ballot papers” - will do VERY well indeed!
Quite, we’ve had alternatives for a number of years but those alternatives, often with policies that the real Labour Party would and did trumpet in the years before it was taken over (ie no to the EU), could not agree with each other, and the main parties together with their long bought and paid for media machine crushed them.
Until the alternatives combine burying their differences for the sake of the country as whole, a bit of my enemy’s enemy if my friend, and don’t allow Farage anywhere near, then sadly long after we’re dead and gone the Uniparty will continue to be elected just changing its colours every now and again.
Its not going to happen Winseer, the public are happy with the way things are so long as the bread and circuses continue, one could suggest voting for the same thing time and again and expecting a different result isn’t the best way forward but it would be a waste of time.
I’ve given up mate and have resigned to just watching in sadness as this once Jerusalem votes itself into hell.
One things certain - the tories hatred for the working poor knows no end - even pinching back the £20 pittance they put on universal credit. Boris was saying “you need to get into work” - he didnt even know universal credit is paid to people in work. And these are the people you are depending on to keep wages high? Say goodnight to the folks Gracie.
whisperingsmith:
Whilst never having been a Labour voter I don’t see the problem with their call:“The long-term problems in the HGV sector will not be solved by making drivers work longer hours but by training workers and improving their terms and conditions.
What we are seeing across our economy should be a wake-up call to Government that insecurity and low pay cannot build the high performing economy we need.
It’s time for the Prime Minister to take this situation seriously and appoint a minister to work across Government and come up with a clear plan with businesses and unions to improve wages and conditions in key sectors.”And in the short term to ameliorate issues (that have or haven’t been) caused by Brexit :-
“We continue to call for temporary visas to be considered for roles with severe shortages such as HGV drivers, as well as adding these roles to the Shortage Occupation List as soon as possible. These will be the most effective routes to relieving the rising pressure in this area in the short term.”
Please educate me as to what is wrong with that call ■■
Top part of that statement is bang on…it’s the bottom part about allowing temporary visas for more cheap labour, it won’t be temporary.