Here in France,i work four day’s from six for five month’s and three day’s from six for six month’s and 30 day’s holiday. Works for me.
Never Sunday’s or Bank holiday’s.
OwenMoney:
Here in France,i work four day’s from six for five month’s and three day’s from six for six month’s and 30 day’s holiday. Works for me.Never Sunday’s or Bank holiday’s.
But what about your stress levels?
Surely you cant sleep at nights, worrying about your companys financial viability?
I am a only a humble tanker driver ,not an accountant.
Labour can push for four day weeks OR ban ZHC. They can’t and won’t ever be able to achieve both…
The two things are mutually exclusive targets!!
MY way of going about it would be to bring in the OPTION of a four day week contract - BUT you must work a 12 hour shift for those four days.
Thus, if you cannot or will not work more than a flat 8 hours - then stick to the 5-6 day week options sonny, and leave us pros with the meatier stuff. 
Unions meanwhile - might like to concentrate on making life better for those that DO perform the longer shifts, instead of trying to penalize them with extra break deductions, less holidays, and lower amounts of overtime available DESPITE a four-day week worker being clearly available for at least one entire extra shift per week on a regular basis!!!
Winseer:
…lower amounts of overtime available DESPITE a four-day week worker being clearly available for at least one entire extra shift per week on a regular basis!!!
That’s not really how it works. The idea of working four days is that you work more intensely - and you can do so because you’re doing it for less time.
The capacity for overtime is unchanged. You’ll probably be as tired after the 4 days as you were after 5 under the old regime - you’re just not dragging the same job out for 5 days anymore.
Funnily enough I was talking to the boss last night and he said they’re thinking of putting us on permanent 4 day weeks because we keep going over our 48 hour weekly average. We get it back with days off at the end of the reference period.
The salary would stay the same.
I said as long as the extra day off was a Monday or a Friday I’m all for it. Not mid week though.
Winseer:
The-Snowman:
No one who works is going to vote Labour anyway.I invite anyone intending to vote Labour - to tell us their thinking and logic on the matter…
serious question!
I’ve never voted labour, but i am considering doing so this time.
The fake tory party are once more using their old gambit of vote for us or get worse, well lets see, we once again as usual have a tory party that believes in nothing conservative and conserves nothing, what could actually be worse for us proles.
The people afraid of labour are the very people who got us into the EU in the first place under lies, signed us deeper in under Maastrict, signed the UN compact for migration last year (which will change this country into somewhere entirely different and infinitely more violent and dangerous for ordinary people over the next 30 years), and refuse to honour the referndum result because it didn’t suit them.
They, the tory party and their backers and their media chums richly deserve corbyn and his mob, and i’m tempted to help give him to them.
My question would be.
Why after all that has gone on, the lies and deceit of the tory party especially since the clown John Major was PM, why would anyone trust them again.
Johnson until 5 minutes ago had EU written through him like letters through a stick of rock, they fooled the electorate with May, shame on them, we gave them another chance with Johnson, we’ll leave on 31/10/19 or i’ll die in a ditch, well as usual the tory couldn’t be trusted, they fooled the people once again, half and half shame shared there, i for one aint being taken for a fool any more, the tory party is now my enemy having proved beyond all doubt to not have the interests of the nation at heart and an enemy of democracy.
Rjan:
Winseer:
…lower amounts of overtime available DESPITE a four-day week worker being clearly available for at least one entire extra shift per week on a regular basis!!!That’s not really how it works. The idea of working four days is that you work more intensely - and you can do so because you’re doing it for less time.
The capacity for overtime is unchanged. You’ll probably be as tired after the 4 days as you were after 5 under the old regime - you’re just not dragging the same job out for 5 days anymore.
While hourly pay means nothing if the guvnor tries to force two hours work into one hour.There’s also no reason to think that the guvnor would allow any less intensity over 5 days than 4.
That’s certainly been my experience of walking away from numerous non HGV job interviews because of laughable workloads regardless of how many days per week they’ll allow.Many not specifying days or even hours at all only drop based pay and an enforced 80 + drops/collections done in a shift.If not more than one job role.Also many with all the downsides of self employment but the employee isn’t allowed to specify their own workload despite suggestions within such adverts that they can.
IE in general workloads are set on a per shift basis not spread across a 5 day week.While hourly pay means nothing if you’re expected to do 2 hours worth of work per hour.Which explains why factory production workers rightly resisted the change from piecework to hourly pay given sufficient militancy and solidarity to put the ‘time and motion enforcer’ ■■■■■■ in his place.
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Winseer:
…lower amounts of overtime available DESPITE a four-day week worker being clearly available for at least one entire extra shift per week on a regular basis!!!That’s not really how it works. The idea of working four days is that you work more intensely - and you can do so because you’re doing it for less time.
The capacity for overtime is unchanged. You’ll probably be as tired after the 4 days as you were after 5 under the old regime - you’re just not dragging the same job out for 5 days anymore.
While hourly pay means nothing if the guvnor tries to force two hours work into one hour.There’s also no reason to think that the guvnor would allow any less intensity over 5 days than 4.
Firstly it assumes the guvnor can control and measure the intensity to a sufficient degree to sweat the employee, and secondly that he won’t just cause distress and dysfunction by doing so.
Most bosses don’t start by maximising intensity and then maximising the number of hours at that intensity. Instead they adopt a rule of thumb about working hours, and then seek to maximise the intensity over those hours.
It often seems to cost the bosses nothing to work people extra hours despite no increase in productivity. The rent for their premises do not go up. The employee’s living costs do not really go up. Wages do not go up. So there is very little incentive to be efficient. But the corollary is also that working hours can often be forced down without any reduction in productivity, profits, or wages.
That’s certainly been my experience of walking away from numerous non HGV job interviews because of laughable workloads regardless of how many days per week they’ll allow.Many not specifying days or even hours at all only drop based pay and an enforced 80 + drops/collections done in a shift.If not more than one job role.Also many with all the downsides of self employment but the employee isn’t allowed to specify their own workload despite suggestions within such adverts that they can.
IE in general workloads are set on a per shift basis not spread across a 5 day week.While hourly pay means nothing if you’re expected to do 2 hours worth of work per hour.Which explains why factory production workers rightly resisted the change from piecework to hourly pay given sufficient militancy and solidarity to put the ‘time and motion enforcer’ ■■■■■■ in his place.
The problem as you illustrate is that the 80 drops/day employer suffers staff turnover and recruitment shortages. What happens in practice is that when nobody bites at 80 drops a day, they give the work to a fella already doing 60 drops a day (which is probably the fella who usually does the work).
But it costs time and effort to keep faffing around with who is doing the work, and there has to be a reserve army of unemployed who will occasionally bite at 80 drops/day, even if only for short periods.
If you purge those inefficiencies and eliminate the unemployed, the fella doing 60 drops a day will suddenly get a payrise (paid for by the efficiencies), and job security to boot, for doing absolutely nothing extra.
When the 80 drops/day employer is purged, the 60 drops/day employer also faces reduced market risk, because he no longer faces the 80 drops/day employer stealing some of his clients occasionally when he finds some miserable sod to do the work, and probably increased scale (which allows more drops in a smaller area, so your 60 drops could be done in half the normal time than when two separate organisations are engaged in deliveries).
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Winseer:
…lower amounts of overtime available DESPITE a four-day week worker being clearly available for at least one entire extra shift per week on a regular basis!!!That’s not really how it works. The idea of working four days is that you work more intensely - and you can do so because you’re doing it for less time.
The capacity for overtime is unchanged. You’ll probably be as tired after the 4 days as you were after 5 under the old regime - you’re just not dragging the same job out for 5 days anymore.
While hourly pay means nothing if the guvnor tries to force two hours work into one hour.There’s also no reason to think that the guvnor would allow any less intensity over 5 days than 4.
That’s certainly been my experience of walking away from numerous non HGV job interviews because of laughable workloads regardless of how many days per week they’ll allow.Many not specifying days or even hours at all only drop based pay and an enforced 80 + drops/collections done in a shift.If not more than one job role.Also many with all the downsides of self employment but the employee isn’t allowed to specify their own workload despite suggestions within such adverts that they can.
IE in general workloads are set on a per shift basis not spread across a 5 day week.While hourly pay means nothing if you’re expected to do 2 hours worth of work per hour.Which explains why factory production workers rightly resisted the change from piecework to hourly pay given sufficient militancy and solidarity to put the ‘time and motion enforcer’ ■■■■■■ in his place.
This is why drivers everywhere - should resist this push to get drivers to do “more and more non-driving work”.
ON THE ROAD - and a job takes as long as it takes. You cannot drive from London to Manchester in two hours, regardless of how much whip-cracking the firm might fly at you.
Make a driving job about “pickers with a HGV licence” or “Admin staff” that go out on runs, or “Acting Managers” that’ll crack the whip knowing all the driving dodges as they do “Poachers become Gamekeepers” - and guess what? Your run could be totally cancelled, and you end up doing a completely different job just to get your basic pay. NO “Made Time”. NO “Overtime”, and a permanent drop in T&Cs for showing “far too much flexibility in the workplace”.
You’re not a driver any more - you’re a dogsbody on a “any five from seven” contract, too scared as you are to risk a ZHC despite it clearly paying £2ph and upwards more - for however many hours you might want or not want to work. 30-50? - You can’t choose THAT on a full time “open-ended” contract…!