Hi Paul,I would like to see pics of Sloans Haulage.Was your father based at Dumfries?
Sloan only had one Scanny in my time there and it was driven by Jim Bell from Bathgate pulling a fridge.It was bought as Mike Sloan had got fed up with Dafs,tried Seddon Atki 400`s and found them seriously wanting and was talked into the Scanny by Bell as he had driven them when he worked for Kelman.To be fair it was reliable but so were the Dafs when the drivers could be bothered putting oil and water in them. 
Not so fussy for Broxburn Haulage as I had moved on by then and I think that was Sloans resurrection after he had sold out to,and been found out by,Hogg of Kilsyth.
I spoke to Mike Sloan a few years back in his old yard.He had driven in one Sunday for a bit of nostalgia and seemed a bit hacked off to see my name on four of the buildings
Mark.
Eyup Sammie,is it true that this was your first wagon? I’m only putting it on for a friend so don’t start on me 
Chris Webb:
Eyup Sammie,is it true that this was your first wagon? I’m only putting it on for a friend so don’t start on me
“bloody hell” Harry’s going to go banana s when he gets back and sees that you have given me his wagon
sammyopisite:
Chris Webb:
Eyup Sammie,is it true that this was your first wagon? I’m only putting it on for a friend so don’t start on me
“bloody hell” Harry’s going to go banana s when he gets back and sees that you have given me his wagon
I know,and what’s tha done with the trailer,not left it in a lay-by I hope? 
That’s a cracker of a photo Chris, but forgive my ignorance…what is it?
I’m old enough to remember S-type Bedfords being commonplace, but I’ve never seen anything like that. She’s a beauty.
That Sammyopisite must be a fair age if that was his first lorry, who told you about this Chris as you are far to young to remember this type of lorry. Is your friend unable to post the picture on this site, if that is the case he must be of low intellect appen. Can you ask Sammyopisite if its true that when he overtook another lorry and got flashed back in he used to open the firebox door twice as a recognition signal. I must say he appears spritely for his age. Regards Bob.
THE SHERIFF:
That Sammyopisite must be a fair age if that was his first lorry, who told you about this Chris as you are far to young to remember this type of lorry. Is your friend unable to post the picture on this site, if that is the case he must be of low intellect appen. Can you ask Sammyopisite if its true that when he overtook another lorry and got flashed back in he used to open the firebox door twice as a recognition signal. I must say he appears spritely for his age. Regards Bob.
That was the lads job
macdangerous:
That’s a cracker of a photo Chris, but forgive my ignorance…what is it?I’m old enough to remember S-type Bedfords being commonplace, but I’ve never seen anything like that. She’s a beauty.
Hi Mac,not sure but I’d go for a Sentinel.A certain Sherriff will know,no good asking Sammie as he’s gone to bed - got an early start with her tomorrow
We’ve got summat similar in the Isle of Man and I wanted Sammie to come over and operate it but he wanted me to pay his ferry fare…
Ex Nori Brick and Tile Sentinel from Accrington,still with the Lancs reg.
In fact he could have had any of these three.It would have suited him down to the ground over here,no driving restrictions,no tachos (except Cemex I think) no nights out,but no dodgys unfortunately
Eh up youth tha is reet about the Sentinel bit. I dont want to get drawn into this thing about Sammyopisite,s age other than as you say he must be about 3 days owder than Lipton,s tea. I have heard however that he is that old his birth certificate is written in Roman numerals, well that.s what Chris told me appen, not that I am one for causing trouble you understand. The picture was taken just south of Glasgow about 3 years ago I believe it had been to a heritage museum in Coatbridge as well as other venues. When I spoke to the 2 men driving it I am sure they were auditioning for the Al Jolson show Mammy.
THE SHERIFF:
Eh up youth tha is reet about the Sentinel bit. I dont want to get drawn into this thing about Sammyopisite,s age other than as you say he must be about 3 days owder than Lipton,s tea. I have heard however that he is that old his birth certificate is written in Roman numerals, well that.s what Chris told me appen, not that I am one for causing trouble you understand. The picture was taken just south of Glasgow about 3 years ago I believe it had been to a heritage museum in Coatbridge as well as other venues. When I spoke to the 2 men driving it I am sure they were auditioning for the Al Jolson show Mammy.
Well,I don’t want to fall out with our Sammie 'cos I shall be seeing him very soon when I go over to the centre of the universe - Sheffield.To tell thee t’truth I’m older than him by about three years but he looks a lot older than me,probably driving Scammells didn’t help .
I’m wondering now if I’ll get a drink off him… 
What,s the difference between Sammyopisite and a milk bottle, tha can get a drink out a milk bottle. Let me know when tha is coming t Sheffield and I,ll buy thee both a drink appen.
Gridley51:
Hi Bob.Ive already posted this and it disappeared.I must be getting too old. I didnt mean to insinuate the Oleum wasn`t dangerous,far from it.But,it seems that there are four grades of dangerous according to HSE or whoever makes the rules.Highest/worst is grade 4 and Oleum is grade 3.
I looked it up after you asked and even the what to do in an emergency bit looks frightening.
Hi Mark,
Sorry about this mate, but I feel that I need to step in with a couple of corrections.
I’m sorry to have to tell you that “grades of dangerous” aren’t used for road transport of dangerous goods and I’ve no idea where you got the info about oleum as being “grade 3” or the “worst is grade 4.” Anyway, that’s not really important, cos I’ll now attempt to give you the relevant info.
The correct name for “oleum” is ‘Sulphric acid, fuming.’
Many folks have got the wrong idea about the ‘classes’ of dangerous goods, and seem to think that one class is of a higher or lower danger than another.
That idea is a complete myth, because all nine classes of dangerous goods can kill people. The purpose of the ‘classes’ is ONLY to tell us what kind of danger we face, and have ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with how dangerous the goods are. We do need to know how dangerous the goods are, but it’s NOT the classes that tell us.
The UN have given us the idea of the ‘level’ of danger, or how dangerous the goods actually are.
For most chemical type goods, the level of danger is expressed by the use of Packing Groups. There are 3 Packing Groups, but these are always expressed by using Roman numerals so as to avoid confusion with the ‘class’ number.
PG I = High danger
PG II = Medium danger
PGIII = Low danger
The Regs for the different modes of carriage (Road, Sea, Air and Rail ADR, IMDG, IATA and RID respectively) all have to use the UN Packing Group idea to express the level of danger because all those sets of Regs are based on info in the UN orange book, which is the basis for all modal Regs.
Now turning to road transport and ADR and with the knowledge above, we can look at whereabouts ‘oleum’ fits into the overall scheme of things…
Written correctly, as it must appear on dangerous goods documentation, what we’re discussing is:
UN 1831 SULPHURIC ACID, FUMING, 8 (6.1,) PGI
So that’s the paperwork dealt with!!
The “8 (6.1)” means that both of the following placards are required to be displayed on a tanker carrying ‘oleum,’ and smaller versions (labels) of both would be required to be shown on packages containing ‘oleum.’
.
So what does all this mean for a driver?
In ADR, there are 5 Transport Categories, and they’re numbered 0 - 4 (So the figure 0 is a number.)
Our ‘oleum’ is primarily a corrosive substance (UN Class 8,) but ‘oleum’ is also legally toxic enough to require the use of the 6.1 in the description.
Oleum is in the highest UN Packing Group, so it is regarded as being ‘highly dangerous.’
For carriage by road, you guys will already know that tankers carrying dangerous goods are always subject to ADR Regs (regardless of Packing Group,) even when empty, and that’s not changed.
When carrying dangerous goods by road in packages (IBCs, drums, jerricans and boxes etc) ADR gives certain ‘freebies’ and allowances that can be carried, BEFORE the Regs begin to bite and things like an ADR licence and orange plates etc are needed.
Our ‘oleum’ is ADR Transport Category 0, and is so dangerous that there’s NO ‘freebie’ allowance for it. 
Just to give an idea of the effect of this, ADR lets a driver carry a cargo of 333 liters of PETROL, or 1,000 liters of DIESEL as a ‘freebie.’
All the other dangerous goods that can be carried by road in packages have Transport Category ‘freebie’ limits of:
TC 0 = 0 (no freebies)
TC 1 = 20 kgs/ltrs
TC 2 = 333 kgs/ltrs
TC 3 = 1,000 kgs/ltrs
TC 4 = unlimited (no amount puts you in Regs.)
The Packing Groups, Transport Categories and whether something is in or out of Regs hasn’t been a driver’s responsibility in the UK since 09/05/2004, cos since then it’s the consignor and your boss’ job to sort this out for you.
I hope this clarifies some of the ‘myths.’
dieseldave:
Hi Mark,Sorry about this mate, but I feel that I need to step in with a couple of corrections.
Step in with all you like Dave.
Is it painful swallowing all those regs that you seem to have discovered lately?
When I saw this thread reappearing I thought old Stravaiger had returned but not to be it seems.Hes not been heard off since April,in fact since I said the t****r word.Hope thats not the reason.
Nice seeing that pic of the C&S Steels motor.Company still exists,hard to deal with them though as I can never understand what they`re saying.
Mark.
Gridley51:
dieseldave:
Hi Mark,Sorry about this mate, but I feel that I need to step in with a couple of corrections.
Step in with all you like Dave.
Is it painful swallowing all those regs that you seem to have discovered lately?
Hi Mark,
I didn’t discover the Regs “lately” mate, cos health issues made me change my career after being a driver for around 30 years and I’m now a freelance ADR instructor and DGSA, so it’s been second nature to me since I qualified in 2003.
TBF mate, there were some inaccuracies and it was pretty obvious that somebody had misled you into believing something that’s not true.
There are a number of commonly repeated misconceptions about ADR, so after reading what you innocently wrote, I just thought I’d tackle a few of them.
I’m not suggesting for one moment that you were the actual author of the ‘myth’ and wherever it started doesn’t interest me, but IMHO it did need correcting simply because of how wrong the info was.
Hi Mark,
dieseldave:
I didn’t discover the Regs “lately” mate, cos health issues made me change my career after being a driver for around 30 years and I’m now a freelance ADR instructor and DGSA, so it’s been second nature to me since I qualified in 2003.TBF mate, there were some inaccuracies and it was pretty obvious that somebody had misled you into believing something that’s not true.
There are a number of commonly repeated misconceptions about ADR, so after reading what you innocently wrote, I just thought I’d tackle a few of them.I’m not suggesting for one moment that you were the actual author of the ‘myth’ and wherever it started doesn’t interest me, but IMHO it did need correcting simply because of how wrong the info was.
You might think for a minute DD about what ADR and DGSA relate to.It would seem to a lesser qualified individual such as myself that they relate to road transport of dangerous substances.
If you were to look at the wider world you may find different classifications of dangerous.
I stand by what I wrote.I did not pick it out of mid air and I cross referenced the information across a few reputable bodies.If I made an error it was in omitting to mention in the post that the road transport industry may use different classifications.
Gridley51:
Hi Mark,dieseldave:
I didn’t discover the Regs “lately” mate, cos health issues made me change my career after being a driver for around 30 years and I’m now a freelance ADR instructor and DGSA, so it’s been second nature to me since I qualified in 2003.TBF mate, there were some inaccuracies and it was pretty obvious that somebody had misled you into believing something that’s not true.
There are a number of commonly repeated misconceptions about ADR, so after reading what you innocently wrote, I just thought I’d tackle a few of them.I’m not suggesting for one moment that you were the actual author of the ‘myth’ and wherever it started doesn’t interest me, but IMHO it did need correcting simply because of how wrong the info was.
You might think for a minute DD about what ADR and DGSA relate to.It would seem to a lesser qualified individual such as myself that they relate to road transport of dangerous substances.
Hi Mark,
You’re spot on about ADR and DGSA relating to the road transport of dangerous goods, but I did explain the UN system and that other modes of carriage all use the UN system, so I can stand by what I’ve said too.
Gridley51:
If you were to look at the wider world you may find different classifications of dangerous.
I stand by what I wrote.I did not pick it out of mid air and I cross referenced the information across a few reputable bodies.If I made an error it was in omitting to mention in the post that the road transport industry may use different classifications.
That’s a very fair point Mark, and it’s one from which I could possibly learn.
I’d be (genuinely) very interested to know which reputable bodies you refer to please.
I’m only asking this, because it’s the UN who says that there are nine classes of dangerous goods and I’m genuinely not sure who might be of more, or equal repute.
I took your meaning to be ‘by road’ because it seemed to me that you were speaking with regard to the ‘nurse’ incident, which was on a road.
I’m always prepared to be wrong if you can show me where I went wrong please.
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Mark ,
Looks like that C&S steels Sentinel hails from Wolverhampton, I know Tarmac roadstone from W-ton ran Sentinels I wonder if it is one of their old ones?
doe know why yo cor understand em from 'hampton though ?
Chris Webb:
THE SHERIFF:
Eh up youth tha is reet about the Sentinel bit. I dont want to get drawn into this thing about Sammyopisite,s age other than as you say he must be about 3 days owder than Lipton,s tea. I have heard however that he is that old his birth certificate is written in Roman numerals, well that.s what Chris told me appen, not that I am one for causing trouble you understand. The picture was taken just south of Glasgow about 3 years ago I believe it had been to a heritage museum in Coatbridge as well as other venues. When I spoke to the 2 men driving it I am sure they were auditioning for the Al Jolson show Mammy.
Well,I don’t want to fall out with our Sammie 'cos I shall be seeing him very soon when I go over to the centre of the universe - Sheffield.To tell thee t’truth I’m older than him by about three years but he looks a lot older than me,probably driving Scammells didn’t help
I’m wondering now if I’ll get a drink off him…
Hey up Chris I wa gonna put thee one behind bar in Lion but tha knows what they are like in there it’d be supped afor tha got here so av supped it mesen afor it went flat had a good dinner time with my brothers afor the match so just a drop of angels water tonight 
and my birth certificate is on parchment and wrote in Latin so I can’t argue as I am not educated enough to be able to read it.
Eh up Chris and Sammy, what part of the city is T Lion pub in as I might drop in and buy you a pint between thee,s, appen.