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Hi, I find it strange that the Caledonian Guy Big J with a RR 220 Eagle diesal could only manage 52 mph in the 70’s as when the first Big J’s with the 220 ■■■■■■■ and 6 speed AEC/Thorneycroft gearbox, which we had for 32 tons at BRS Hampstead could maintain 65/66 mph and as far as I know the RR had the same max revs. Of course the Caledonian unit could have had lower gearing or lower geared back axle a policy which never made much sense to me as it would greatly increase the fuel consumption…Tony.
Hi,
We had several Guys with the 220 eagle and for some reason they were all geared to about 50mph, the ones with the 280 eagle or 290 ■■■■■■■ would easily sit at 70mph all day (with a fuel tanker following) With the J fitted with the 290 ■■■■■■■ I would easily pass 110 Scanias on Shap or any other big climbs 21t up.
One exception to that would be that 2nd Scania down in the pictures in GKN colours, think the reg was XOJ 500G, that was fitted with an experimental auto gearbox and could really fly. After 2yrs experimental testing it went out on GKNs own haulage fleet and got rolled over on night trunk to Newtown Powys.
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Hi Jim.Funny names,well there was Wekankarryit from around Oxford and Punctilious Pullage from err - can’t remember.Popeye of Scotland was another that you will recall and what about the Pig Improvement Company. 
Just remembered Gayfreight from Manchester,I believe that company was renamed though.
Was Caldwells not a paper mill?
Who owned Popeye again? Used to keep phoning me to go and work for him.
Mark.
Gridley51:
Was Caldwells not a paper mill?Who owned Popeye again? Used to keep phoning me to go and work for him.
Mark.
Hi Mark,Popeye has been mentioned on this site before,weren’t they from Ayrshire? They were running a night trunk in the 80s as I used to see them when going over the A66,with Scania 110s IIRC.
Hi Mark,Popeye has been mentioned on this site before,weren’t they from Ayrshire? They were running a night trunk in the 80s as I used to see them when going over the A66,with Scania 110s IIRC.
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Hi Chris.Popeye were at East Whitburn,between Whitburn and Blackburn.I think it was Scanias he had too.There is still a distribution depot of some kind there yet.Quite well placed for over Forth to Abingdon and the 74.
Mark.
5thwheel:
Bewick:
THE SHERIFF:
It is my recollection at the time that the 110 Scania was virtually untouchable when it came to normal haulage, on a journey ( night trunk ) between Crawford and Wednesbury the journey time was over an hour less for the 110 compaired with the Guy Big J with a 220 Rolls Eagle Diesel. The pilot of the 110 was also a dam sight fresher than the Guy pilot and the end of the journey, me being the driver of one of the Guys. You have certainly brought up a valid point Jim, as for the vehicles concerned in The Limits of The Law I would say it was a no contest. The Guy in question on the film was owned by Caledonian Road Services, Dumfries, usually driven by George Johnstone, had a top speed of 52 mph how could the running times be compaired with the Scania that would run at 60 mph uphill and down dale. BobertWhat about the Smith of Maddiston 8LXBs they would have given the 110s a run for their money !!But maybe they went past you so fast you didn’t notice them !! Bewick.
Guy or Scania? even with a 240 no contest Scania would win hand over fist each time,with fuel economy being the exception,SoM did trial a few 110’s IIRC,but the fuel return figures were outrageous,so they were soon got rid of!!
Hiya…Guy or Scania in the 70s you try catching a bigJ with that 290 rolls I admit the Scania was nice to drive but a 110 would would be hard pushed to keep up with that GUY 290 rolls royce the problem was BRS had most Guys and was told to keep the speed down
John
Chris Webb:
Hi lads. Can any of you Scottish contingent remember a fridge haulier called 4JA and confirm that it stood for “Four Jims and an Alan”.I think they were linked up with Fridge Freight Fyvie from up near Turriff.I’m talking about 10-15 years ago.
And Jim,I reckon I’m confusing that Thompson of Alloa with Morris Young from Hillyland
Hullo Chris,
Yes the firm 4JA was formed by the four lads when their depot got closed down, I think Lester that was in the original office went along with them also. One Jimmy was in the office and the other three along with Alan stayed driving, still with the mercs that they had driven before, along with the fridges. They all used to stop at my place in Hull years ago, and I often used to see them on the Saturday evening North Sea Ferries, “Norwave”, Hull to Zeebrugge. Alan on these trips used to appear in the Bar in full Highland Dress, caused a few laughs and a few tears that did. Do you know my brain? has gone completely blanc regarding the name of the original company they all worked for, it´s only probably the bigest fridge company or was, around. Never mind Chris it will no doubt come back to me, I´ll tell you when I report back on Ward Bros.
Cheers, Archie
Archie Paice:
Chris Webb:
Hi lads. Can any of you Scottish contingent remember a fridge haulier called 4JA and confirm that it stood for “Four Jims and an Alan”.I think they were linked up with Fridge Freight Fyvie from up near Turriff.I’m talking about 10-15 years ago.
And Jim,I reckon I’m confusing that Thompson of Alloa with Morris Young from HillylandHullo Chris,
Yes the firm 4JA was formed by the four lads when their depot got closed down, I think Lester that was in the original office went along with them also. One Jimmy was in the office and the other three along with Alan stayed driving, still with the mercs that they had driven before, along with the fridges. They all used to stop at my place in Hull years ago, and I often used to see them on the Saturday evening North Sea Ferries, “Norwave”, Hull to Zeebrugge. Alan on these trips used to appear in the Bar in full Highland Dress, caused a few laughs and a few tears that did. Do you know my brain? has gone completely blanc regarding the name of the original company they all worked for, it´s only probably the bigest fridge company or was, around. Never mind Chris it will no doubt come back to me, I´ll tell you when I report back on Ward Bros.
Cheers, Archie
Thanks Archie,4J/A were regulars in Maltby loading Livingston,Bellshill,Grangemouth etc. - not as regular as Wards and Dennis’s though
Mantons did a hell of a lot of work for us when MBF was running out of Maltby first off,then they just disappeared.
3300John:
5thwheel:
Bewick:
THE SHERIFF:
It is my recollection at the time that the 110 Scania was virtually untouchable when it came to normal haulage, on a journey ( night trunk ) between Crawford and Wednesbury the journey time was over an hour less for the 110 compaired with the Guy Big J with a 220 Rolls Eagle Diesel. The pilot of the 110 was also a dam sight fresher than the Guy pilot and the end of the journey, me being the driver of one of the Guys. You have certainly brought up a valid point Jim, as for the vehicles concerned in The Limits of The Law I would say it was a no contest. The Guy in question on the film was owned by Caledonian Road Services, Dumfries, usually driven by George Johnstone, had a top speed of 52 mph how could the running times be compaired with the Scania that would run at 60 mph uphill and down dale. BobertWhat about the Smith of Maddiston 8LXBs they would have given the 110s a run for their money !!But maybe they went past you so fast you didn’t notice them !! Bewick.
Guy or Scania? even with a 240 no contest Scania would win hand over fist each time,with fuel economy being the exception,SoM did trial a few 110’s IIRC,but the fuel return figures were outrageous,so they were soon got rid of!!
Hiya…Guy or Scania in the 70s you try catching a bigJ with that 290 rolls I admit the Scania was nice to drive but a 110 would would be hard pushed to keep up with that GUY 290 rolls royce the problem was BRS had most Guys and was told to keep the speed down
John
Neither 110 or a 111 was able to keep up with a crusader with the 280 rolls as I ran with quite a lot and only saw them shrinking in the mirrors on any bank and the rolls was not so bad on fuel some were geared to 66mph and some to 75 mph and I liked the lower geared version best and it did around 7mpg but if you kept them on the governors they were thirsty the same can be said of the F88 290 I usually got 8mpg out of that but I heard of people who were only getting 5mph and we were paid on mileage bonus al the time I was there.
cheers Johnnie
Gridley51:
Was Caldwells not a paper mill?Who owned Popeye again? Used to keep phoning me to go and work for him.
Mark.
Popeye was owned by Willie Dryburgh, & was based in Armadale before he moved to East Whitburn
Dave.
Thanks Dave.I`ve been trying to remember his name all night.
Any idea what happened to him? Is he still about?
I never actually met him but spoke to him on the phone a lot.
Mark.
Small world.Talking to a guy just now who asked “do you remember Wullie Dryburgh,I used to live next door to him in Boghall”
Told him wed just spoke about him.He then asked if I remembered Bill Wait who also ran trucks from Bathgate.Yes.I do remember him,is he still on the go? Same guy,whos a welder had been asked by Bill Alston to rebuild the cab on an old Scania Vabis a few years back but his cost and Bills estimate didnt quite match.
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Archie Paice:
Chris Webb:
Hi lads. Can any of you Scottish contingent remember a fridge haulier called 4JA and confirm that it stood for “Four Jims and an Alan”.I think they were linked up with Fridge Freight Fyvie from up near Turriff.I’m talking about 10-15 years ago.
And Jim,I reckon I’m confusing that Thompson of Alloa with Morris Young from HillylandHullo Chris,
Yes the firm 4JA was formed by the four lads when their depot got closed down, I think Lester that was in the original office went along with them also. One Jimmy was in the office and the other three along with Alan stayed driving, still with the mercs that they had driven before, along with the fridges. They all used to stop at my place in Hull years ago, and I often used to see them on the Saturday evening North Sea Ferries, “Norwave”, Hull to Zeebrugge. Alan on these trips used to appear in the Bar in full Highland Dress, caused a few laughs and a few tears that did. Do you know my brain? has gone completely blanc regarding the name of the original company they all worked for, it´s only probably the bigest fridge company or was, around. Never mind Chris it will no doubt come back to me, I´ll tell you when I report back on Ward Bros.
Cheers, Archie
Hullo Chris,
Just thought of it, ( my brain? is two days behind ). It was Christian Salveson, Blairgowry Depot.
Cheers, Archie.
Archie Paice:
Archie Paice:
Chris Webb:
Hi lads. Can any of you Scottish contingent remember a fridge haulier called 4JA and confirm that it stood for “Four Jims and an Alan”.I think they were linked up with Fridge Freight Fyvie from up near Turriff.I’m talking about 10-15 years ago.
And Jim,I reckon I’m confusing that Thompson of Alloa with Morris Young from HillylandHullo Chris,
Yes the firm 4JA was formed by the four lads when their depot got closed down, I think Lester that was in the original office went along with them also. One Jimmy was in the office and the other three along with Alan stayed driving, still with the mercs that they had driven before, along with the fridges. They all used to stop at my place in Hull years ago, and I often used to see them on the Saturday evening North Sea Ferries, “Norwave”, Hull to Zeebrugge. Alan on these trips used to appear in the Bar in full Highland Dress, caused a few laughs and a few tears that did. Do you know my brain? has gone completely blanc regarding the name of the original company they all worked for, it´s only probably the bigest fridge company or was, around. Never mind Chris it will no doubt come back to me, I´ll tell you when I report back on Ward Bros.
Cheers, ArchieHullo Chris,
Just thought of it, ( my brain? is two days behind ). It was Christian Salveson, Blairgowry Depot.
Cheers, Archie.
Hi Archie,that’s the place and name Salvesen - Blairgowrie and before the Scandanavians went in it was Daniel Stewart’s place,of that I am almost certain.
Can you do me three Malton-Maltbys next saturday - Tesco promotion
Hullo Chris,
Hi Archie,that’s the place and name Salvesen - Blairgowrie and before the Scandanavians went in it was Daniel Stewart’s place,of that I am almost certain.
Can you do me three Malton-Maltbys next saturday - Tesco promotion
Would love to help you out mate, but unfortunately I´m still in Sao Paulo, suffering in 32°c, but I suppose somebody has to do it. Mind you I shall be home 21st, May., so I can do it then for you, well I can certainly do two, three if Mucus or Leo runs one out to the 4th Milestone for me. Just warn Alec to get them ready eh! That is of course if Steve still has a job for me.
Cheers, Archie.