Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
They also including checks by UK border authorities.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
I have frequently left the UK with no check by UK Border Force nor anyone else employed by the Gov.
Not without a check from the carrier though.
So, you’re suggesting that there are indeed controls in place restricting your ability to leave your host country?
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You are changing the goalposts.
Monkey241:
Try leaving UK to emigrate to Canada…or even France…then tell me that there is no legal constraint.
There is no law stopping you from leaving the UK is there?
There are laws preventing you from entering other countries, and carriers will take a commercial decision not to allow you to board a vehicle.
It isnt easy to leave the UK without a passport, but would you be stopped in the mid Channel and sent back to the UK if on your own boat? We arent yet like North Korea.
Changing the goalposts?
How?
You can leave the UK lawfully without interference. Try doing it without a passport and you will be prevented.
We don’t tend to have issues with people fleeing UK as refugees.
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Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Illegal entry into france might be a good start, no documentation? next time a Gendarme pulls you over refuse to show any documentation and see what his response is.
Do you want the French to tell us how to mange our borders?
Why are you telling them how to mange theirs?
What? Where did I tell the French how to manage their borders? You asked under what law illegal migrants could be detained I gave a suggestion, two offences which in many countries around the world would lead to you being detained you really need to read what people write
And that is telling the French how to manage borders how?
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The French require you to carry photographic identification
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Monkey241:
You can leave the UK lawfully without interference. Try doing it without a passport and you will be prevented.
Under what law would you be prevented leaving the UK?
And I`ll repeat the question, would you be prevented leaving the UK on your own boat if you had no passport?
Franglais:
Monkey241:
You can leave the UK lawfully without interference. Try doing it without a passport and you will be prevented.
Under what law would you be prevented leaving the UK?
And I`ll repeat the question, would you be prevented leaving the UK on your own boat if you had no passport?
What’s the scenario?
I can get on any boat. Doesn’t mean I’m off to France for the week
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Under what law would I be prevented from leaving the UK?
The requirement to hold a passport if travelling to a foreign state.
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Funny though.
Only one side is providing answers to questions posed.
You on the other hand simply ignore such inconveniences.
Why is that?
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Monkey241:
Under what law would I be prevented from leaving the UK?
The requirement to hold a passport if travelling to a foreign state.
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What law stops you from leaving the UK without a passport please?
There are many laws requiring a passport etc before entering a country. What law stops me leaving the UK?
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Under what law would I be prevented from leaving the UK?
The requirement to hold a passport if travelling to a foreign state.
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What law stops you from leaving the UK without a passport please?
There are many laws requiring a passport etc before entering a country. What law stops me leaving the UK?
The legal obligation to hold a passport to exit the UK …hence the checks and right to refuse passport applications.
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Monkey241:
The legal obligation to hold a passport to exit the UK …
You are repeatedly saying that there is a legal obligation to hold a passport to exit the UK.
You are not showing it.
Since 2014 govt legislation has required checks on all travellers leaving the UK… its both a security mechanism and an immigration tool.
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But then of course prior to that was the Carriers Liability Act placing a legal obligation on them to check identification.
Not sure which of these you feel isn’t a law
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Then of course given your scenario of someone hopping over to France on their own boat there are legal requirements for both departure and entry.
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Monkey241:
But then of course prior to that was the Carriers Liability Act placing a legal obligation on them to check identification.
Not sure which of these you feel isn’t a law
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Yes, I have already mentioned that more than once, and that does not cover your assertion that an individual needs a passport to leave a country.
It does cover a *carriers responsibilities*. The carriers responsibility if an individual is refused entry to a country.
Monkey241:
Then of course given your scenario of someone hopping over to France on their own boat there are legal requirements for both departure and entry.
And what are those departure requirements you keep on mentioning please?
I can quite see that carriers will do checks to see that they arent caught with a passenger in limbo. I still cant see what law prevents an individual leaving a country without a passport.
Actually no.
CLA is UK law under international obligations to ensure that all travellers are properly identified.
You have mentioned it…but in the wrong context
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Franglais:
Monkey241:
But then of course prior to that was the Carriers Liability Act placing a legal obligation on them to check identification.
Not sure which of these you feel isn’t a law
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Yes, I have already mentioned that more than once, and that does not cover your assertion that an individual needs a passport to leave a country.
It does cover a *carriers responsibilities*. The carriers responsibility if an individual is refused entry to a country.
Monkey241:
Then of course given your scenario of someone hopping over to France on their own boat there are legal requirements for both departure and entry.
And what are those departure requirements you keep on mentioning please?
I can quite see that carriers will do checks to see that they arent caught with a passenger in limbo. I still cant see what law prevents an individual leaving a country without a passport.
I suggest you look at what the RYA says about legal obligations for entry and exit.
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Thanks for the RYA idea.
That leads to this:
“Are there any immigration requirements when I depart from the UK?
You need to notify a Border Force officer only if you are carrying someone who has no right of abode in the UK. In these circumstances you must tell a Border Force officer in advance.”
gov.uk/government/publicati … rom-the-uk
Looks to me (as someone having right of abode in the UK) that I can just up and off then.
You need to read a little bit more
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