Johnny Forigner...... why?

orys:
They might be planning their trip on the assumption that there are easily available pakring spaces on the motorway in about 10-15 minutes intervals, as it is in most of Europe, and this is why they got surprised. Notice, that you see them mostly near London, further up England and in Scotland, more rare this occurence is. Propably they learn on their mistakes.

Exactly, whenever I have seen it, its being somewhere on the M25 or very close to it. Often after services areas that to their shock and horror turn out to be full and the next one is more than an hour away or they have to pay the best part of a days wage to park in, with the knowledge that they’ll never get the money back. Not saying its right or safe, simply stating WHY it happens and those same reasons affect us all. Lack of parking and rip off prices when parking is actually available.

robinhood_1984:
or they have to pay the best part of a days wage to park in, with the knowledge that they’ll never get the money back. Not saying its right or safe, simply stating WHY it happens and those same reasons affect us all. Lack of parking and rip off prices when parking is actually available.

Nothing to stop them parking in MSA’s and not paying. Clamping is illegal and highly unlikely that anyone would try and chase a foreign company for payment.

GBPub:

robinhood_1984:
or they have to pay the best part of a days wage to park in, with the knowledge that they’ll never get the money back. Not saying its right or safe, simply stating WHY it happens and those same reasons affect us all. Lack of parking and rip off prices when parking is actually available.

Nothing to stop them parking in MSA’s and not paying. Clamping is illegal and highly unlikely that anyone would try and chase a foreign company for payment.

Actually that is an excellent point! We have had plenty of posts here in the past telling us that it’s fine not to pay at MSA’s after all.

orys:

newmercman:
12pages before you popped up Orys, your self control is remarkable, I’m impressed :laughing:

And what exactly that observation brings to this discussion? :slight_smile:

It is called humour Orys :open_mouth:

So predictable that you start banging on about how you’ve seen British lorries, as well as Spanish and Portuguese doing it too, you just can’t have it that anyone would dare criticise anybody that was born east of Germany can you :unamused:

I’ll bet you a hundred pounds that the Brit, Spanish and Portuguese lorries you say you saw on the hard shoulder had Polish drivers in them :open_mouth:

NewLad:

roadrunner:
I would imagine East European drivers carry very little cash if any at all, they all seem to self cater, they all have huge endurance fuel tanks so don’t buy fuel. So its down to red tape and bureaucracy to extract any fines if the driver speaks poor english, so i guess its not financially viable for VOSA in terms of time vs money extraction , when there are many more financially viable UK drivers to fine. Or “Line of least resistance” . you might say :wink:

That doesn’t make what their being allowed to do right though does it. No wonder the British hauliers can’t compete in the “free market” that is Europe. They should be forced (towed if they have to be) to a legal place to park, then they should be immobilised until the firm pays up the fine and towing fee.

A couple of days with his wagon earning jack would soon see them paying up.

It really does [zb] me off that it isn’t a level playing field.

“They should be forced”, to pay twenty, thirty pounds for parking?? In Europe, the parking is free, or about six Euros/night. In Britain, the friggin greedy ■■■■■■■■ can not get enough, that’s the truth. Everyone should park on the roadside and let the MSA managements crying for the lost money. I’m with the foreigners in this case.

newmercman:
I’ll bet you a hundred pounds that the Brit, Spanish and Portuguese lorries you say you saw on the hard shoulder had Polish drivers in them :open_mouth:

Good. I start plan ahead how to spend that hundred :slight_smile: Can we also make a bet about all these trucks parked on the hard shoulder on Italian motorways, on the slip roads to German autobahn parking and so on? :slight_smile:

As for only me seing things, I got used to it. According to trucknet everytime someone does something wrong (either that is a parking on the motorway or being unable to reverse to to the bay) is always Eastern Europeans. It’s only me who see British drivers doing wrong things as well :slight_smile:

I want proof, nothing less than a photo of their passport and a sworn affidavit from both their Paternal grandparents, otherwise you lose :laughing:

You and I both know that this problem mainly involves Eastern European lorries, you are not going to do any good by sticking up for them in this instance. Why don’t you try to explain why they do it, so you bring something to the thread, rather than turning it into a pro Eastern European propaganda message as you usually do :bulb:

newmercman:
I want proof, nothing less than a photo of their passport and a sworn affidavit from both their Paternal grandparents, otherwise you lose :laughing:

You and I both know that this problem mainly involves Eastern European lorries

I would not go as far as “mainly”. I would agree that lot of them are Eastern Europeans, but they are also Italian, Spanish, Portugeze, Turkish etc.

newmercman:
I thought you were selling up and buying a narrow boat :question: Make your mind up :unamused:

Yes, I am, in three years time, as I said. There will be plenty of other things to do between now and then.

newmercman:
There is a lot of ■■■■■■■■ being written on this thread and so far none of it has come from mickyblue :open_mouth:

Unless there has been an unforseen situation, like an accident, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to park on the hard shoulder :open_mouth:

If you are in unfamiliar territory then you should not be waiting until the 15min warning bleeper goes off before looking for somewhere to park :bulb:

That is bad planning, the drivers hours laws set a LIMIT to how many hours you can drive without a break/rest, not a TARGET that must be achieved at all costs :bulb:

It isn’t rocket science, a bit of planning before you start the final segment of your allowed hours and you can find somewhere safe to park :bulb:

If, for example, you are leaving Peterborough with 3hrs left on your card then you ain’t going to make Ashford Services, so you start looking around Maidstone and spend the final 45mins of your shift looking for somewhere to park, if you’ve hit traffic then it might be Dartford, or even call it a day with an hour and a half left at Birchanger Green if it’s approaching rush hour :bulb:

You can say that Johnny Foreigner won’t know how busy the M25 gets, but that’s ■■■■■■■■, we all knew the reputation of the big cities in Europe and wouldn’t, for example, join the Tangenziale around Milan at 4pm on 9hrs 45mins, we would’ve stopped on 8hrs 30mins at Carisio or Santhia or used a bit more time and parked in the services a bit further down the road :bulb:

For the benefit of the hard of thinking…

Foreign drivers take breaks on the hard shoulder when held up by RTAs because they face draconian fines in other countries by enforcement authorities who do not care about printouts or excuses but have simply been ordered to extract as much money as possible from the drivers of overseas-registered trucks in order to bail out their floundering economies.

If VOSA’s policy towards British drivers changed from understanding of occasional infringements, to the imposition of fines amounting to several months wages for exceeding legal limits by even a few minutes then you can bet the farm that every British truck driver would do exactly the same as the Flip-flops and dive onto the hard shoulder when his tacho read 4:29.

I say we need massively better parking facilities for trucks, Mickyblue says that punishment is the cure. You can take a man out of the Police, but you cannot take the Police out of a man.

robinhood_1984:

orys:
They might be planning their trip on the assumption that there are easily available pakring spaces on the motorway in about 10-15 minutes intervals, as it is in most of Europe, and this is why they got surprised. Notice, that you see them mostly near London, further up England and in Scotland, more rare this occurence is. Propably they learn on their mistakes.

Exactly, whenever I have seen it, its being somewhere on the M25 or very close to it. Often after services areas that to their shock and horror turn out to be full and the next one is more than an hour away or they have to pay the best part of a days wage to park in, with the knowledge that they’ll never get the money back. Not saying its right or safe, simply stating WHY it happens and those same reasons affect us all. Lack of parking and rip off prices when parking is actually available.

Saw another one of Europes finest today, cooking on the hard shoulder near trafford park, Waberers driver, didn’t have hazzards or even side lights on just sat there flip flops on, stove on the dash.

They want locking up!

orys:

newmercman:
I’ll bet you a hundred pounds that the Brit, Spanish and Portuguese lorries you say you saw on the hard shoulder had Polish drivers in them :open_mouth:

Good. I start plan ahead how to spend that hundred :slight_smile: Can we also make a bet about all these trucks parked on the hard shoulder on Italian motorways, on the slip roads to German autobahn parking and so on? :slight_smile:

As for only me seing things, I got used to it. According to trucknet everytime someone does something wrong (either that is a parking on the motorway or being unable to reverse to to the bay) is always Eastern Europeans. It’s only me who see British drivers doing wrong things as well :slight_smile:

I have seen plenty of Brits that can’t reverse, I still have my moments (usually when there are 3 empty bays either side) but I have NEVER seen a British registered vehicle parked on the hard shoulder with the driver with the stove on the go, or on the bed, or pealing spuds, curtains closed taking a 9.

Dennisthemenace:

NewLad:

roadrunner:
I would imagine East European drivers carry very little cash if any at all, they all seem to self cater, they all have huge endurance fuel tanks so don’t buy fuel. So its down to red tape and bureaucracy to extract any fines if the driver speaks poor english, so i guess its not financially viable for VOSA in terms of time vs money extraction , when there are many more financially viable UK drivers to fine. Or “Line of least resistance” . you might say :wink:

That doesn’t make what their being allowed to do right though does it. No wonder the British hauliers can’t compete in the “free market” that is Europe. They should be forced (towed if they have to be) to a legal place to park, then they should be immobilised until the firm pays up the fine and towing fee.

A couple of days with his wagon earning jack would soon see them paying up.

It really does [zb] me off that it isn’t a level playing field.

“They should be forced”, to pay twenty, thirty pounds for parking?? In Europe, the parking is free, or about six Euros/night. In Britain, the friggin greedy [zb] can not get enough, that’s the truth. Everyone should park on the roadside and let the MSA managements crying for the lost money. I’m with the foreigners in this case.

I never said they should be forced to pay for parking, they should be forced to park somewhere legal I said, please read it again.

There are industrial estates, lay bys and services, the fact is there are that many parked on hard shoulders now days on motorways all over the country, day in day out, it’s impossible that they all got caught out in traffic, they are all forigne motors, they are just doing it because they know nothing will be said or done to them.

Me no speaka English

NewLad:
I have seen plenty of Brits that can’t reverse, I still have my moments (usually when there are 3 empty bays either side) but I have NEVER seen a British registered vehicle parked on the hard shoulder with the driver with the stove on the go, or on the bed, or pealing spuds, curtains closed taking a 9.

I haven’t seen any Brit cooking tbh (apart from Luke’s movies), propably because they do it inside their cabs. Polish drivers I know don’t like to cook inside their cabs, as it’s hard to get rid of smell later, so whenever possible they try to do it outside.I haven’t seen Britons many taking their nine on the shoulder (and if they did, it was usually in deep layby like that one on M74 or the one on M6 where it seems they have some slip road planned but it never happened). I saw few of them on the HS on M25 and nearby, taking 45 minutes - it can happen to everyone if the traffic is bad.

This is quite in line with what we said before: Britons are British, therefore they know Britain, they know what to expect and in most cases they know where to park for the night.


Off topic: It was once pointed to me that I am not supposed to use word Brit as it’s offensive. Does anything changed recently?

I’m offended by people that get offended HTH :laughing:

orys:
Off topic: It was once pointed to me that I am not supposed to use word Brit as it’s offensive. Does anything changed recently?

No its not offensive.

Nah I don-t find it offensive, what does ■■■■ me off is that a Scot is Scottish, the Irish are, Irish, the Welsh are, Welsh, yet me an Englishman, I’m British apparently… ■■■■ off I’m English!

A question for those who are saying they should be parked in lay- by’s and industrial estates etc.

I trust these come with sanitation, basic hygiene requirements eg waste disposal, and readily available food?

If the answer is no, then it’s no different to an exit ramp is it?

BUT

Say for instance the m6 is choker, and everyone has gone into Keele services for a bag of skittles.
As already stated the m6 is blocked, so the exit slip from Keele to the m6 is at standstill.
Add to the mix trucks parked up on the Keele services exit slip on the hard shoulder.

Just for instance a Ambulance is called to Keele services, it gets there easy enough but how can it exit if the above scenario is applied?

Harry Monk:
Foreign drivers take breaks on the hard shoulder when held up by RTAs because they face draconian fines in other countries by enforcement authorities who do not care about printouts or excuses but have simply been ordered to extract as much money as possible from the drivers of overseas-registered trucks in order to bail out their floundering economies.

If VOSA’s policy towards British drivers changed from understanding of occasional infringements, to the imposition of fines amounting to several months wages for exceeding legal limits by even a few minutes then you can bet the farm that every British truck driver would do exactly the same as the Flip-flops and dive onto the hard shoulder when his tacho read 4:29.

I say we need massively better parking facilities for trucks, Mickyblue says that punishment is the cure. You can take a man out of the Police, but you cannot take the Police out of a man.

^^This 100%^^ Well said.

robinhood_1984:

Harry Monk:
Foreign drivers take breaks on the hard shoulder when held up by RTAs because they face draconian fines in other countries by enforcement authorities who do not care about printouts or excuses but have simply been ordered to extract as much money as possible from the drivers of overseas-registered trucks in order to bail out their floundering economies.

If VOSA’s policy towards British drivers changed from understanding of occasional infringements, to the imposition of fines amounting to several months wages for exceeding legal limits by even a few minutes then you can bet the farm that every British truck driver would do exactly the same as the Flip-flops and dive onto the hard shoulder when his tacho read 4:29.

I say we need massively better parking facilities for trucks, Mickyblue says that punishment is the cure. You can take a man out of the Police, but you cannot take the Police out of a man.

^^This 100%^^ Well said.

+1 :wink:

NewLad:

Dennisthemenace:

NewLad:

roadrunner:
I would imagine East European drivers carry very little cash if any at all, they all seem to self cater, they all have huge endurance fuel tanks so don’t buy fuel. So its down to red tape and bureaucracy to extract any fines if the driver speaks poor english, so i guess its not financially viable for VOSA in terms of time vs money extraction , when there are many more financially viable UK drivers to fine. Or “Line of least resistance” . you might say :wink:

That doesn’t make what their being allowed to do right though does it. No wonder the British hauliers can’t compete in the “free market” that is Europe. They should be forced (towed if they have to be) to a legal place to park, then they should be immobilised until the firm pays up the fine and towing fee.

A couple of days with his wagon earning jack would soon see them paying up.

It really does [zb] me off that it isn’t a level playing field.

“They should be forced”, to pay twenty, thirty pounds for parking?? In Europe, the parking is free, or about six Euros/night. In Britain, the friggin greedy [zb] can not get enough, that’s the truth. Everyone should park on the roadside and let the MSA managements crying for the lost money. I’m with the foreigners in this case.

I never said they should be forced to pay for parking, they should be forced to park somewhere legal I said, please read it again.

There are industrial estates, lay bys and services, the fact is there are that many parked on hard shoulders now days on motorways all over the country, day in day out, it’s impossible that they all got caught out in traffic, they are all forigne motors, they are just doing it because they know nothing will be said or done to them.

Me no speaka English

BUT; you can say that easily, cos you know the possibilities well. But JF have no idea, where to park up. Their companies won’t pay for parking and the maximum they can make monthly is 1200 Euros. So, they will take a risk and pull on the hard shoulder for a break and I can not blame them.