Following on from the 15 hour day thread, I thought it’d be interesting to ask about this.
My week is based on 55 hours/week. It nearly always exceeds this and to me this is working for free. I think J&K encourages speeding and hours fiddles, what does everyone else think?
Alot of it has got more to do with the firm in my opinion, if they dont really care what you do or just turn a blind eye then its going to happen, as oposed to a firm thats againest all bent running full stop.
Job & knock is a pain in the Arse.
Rush,rush,rush-damage,damage,damage.
Why can’t people just do the job properly. ?
There’s another thread on here at the moment with some drivers complaining about strapping loads & all the time it takes just because they want to get finished early, well, if some of that load decides to jump off the wagon onto another vehicle whilst said ‘Professional Driver’ is in a hurry to get finished early, they’ll wished that they had taken their time when they are Languishing in Jail with a Manslaughter Charge hanging over their heads.
I’ve known drivers who don’t even check their vehicles in the morning because all they think about is finishing early !
Best thing they could do with Job & knock is to Ban it altogether & pay us for ALL the hours we work.
Our work has finally started to pick up for the summer and as such we’ve had a bloke helping out in a sprinter van 3 days of the week, usually Monday to Wednesday. We’ve been travelling in convoy to various sites around the uk. Anyway, I’m paid by the hour and he’s on j&k with fuel allowance So why is it he sits at 56 with me and pulls into every other mway service 
. I know I don’t have to follow him but I feel like a miserable ■■■■ if I don’t 
I’ve asked him why doesn’t he just shoot off and finish at least 3 hours before me but he just shrugs his shoulders. Now I’m sure I’m great company but if I was in his position I wouldn’t be hanging around for him.
Last J&K job I had was for Transfleet, based in Cranfield hauling bricks to Bridgewater, drop and hook to an empty flat bed and return. We would drive like the wind, we had the very first DAF 95’s on the road in the UK, November 1987. We were paid for 40 hours and basic, 10 hours at time and a half, if we had to go to Peterborough to collect out trailers we got two and a half hours extra and that was some run believe me, if the return trailer had a load on we got two and half extra for that also, if we washed our trucks at Bridgewater we got 2 hours extra, the fastest I ever got the regular run done was 7 hours 30 minutes. We had no limiters and we often touched 80 mph. I used to car share with another driver and one night he had the Peterborough load to collect so I took my time going down. A cop stopped me on the A420, “Is everything ok driver ?” he asked.
“Yes, why ?”
“Because you normally drive down here at about 60mph and you were only doing 45”
Cannot stand job and knock.
What you get with job & knock is a culture whereby everybody is rushing and trying to get done the fastest. As much as you fight it, you start to take notice of how quickly other drivers are getting the job done and it plays on your mind. All of a sudden you find yourself rushing, nicking your breaks whilst unloading and getting worked up everytime you get held up. Then after breaking a sweat getting finished quickly, you find yourself sat at home not doing very much thinking it wasn’t really worth it. You will then moan when your boss gives you an extra few drops because your getting back early.
I am paid for every hour that I work and my company insists on compliance. Basically insist that I take my time, get done safely and have all my breaks. Its the best way and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Job and knock every time! 
Beats hanging around trying to get the hours in on the tacho though we got time knocked off for ‘unofficial’ breaks. Get the job done and then either go home or do some maintenance. Of course, being on tipper’s, we didn’t know where we were going from load to load, could even do a load first thing and then be sent home as we were needed on duty that night. Sometimes envied driver’s who had a days work planned beforehand, it must make the job easier!
Pete.
You can tell when you’re on a job normally “job and knock” when covering on agency:
You get to your drop and turnaround, and some snidey git moans about “The regular guy has been and gone an hour ago”.
I usually make references to needing a Tardis, and place subsequent doubts upon his parentage. 
The only time Job & Knock really worked for me was when doing London runs, because I seemed to always be given twice as much time as necessary to get around London for some reason…
The rest of the time, Job & Knock encourages Corner cutting, so I’ll attempt to run it to time, and if held up at the very end (that thing that really annoys the regular J&K’er) I’ll book some overtime on the end… No one of any authority moans, so that suits me fine.
Having done hourly and J&K, I’ve found you get the “you should be at xyz at 9am” as if you’re a racing driver trying to qualify. I can’t recall ever hearing that on the hourly, but having been on tippers you would get the occasional “I can do 5 loads there…”
at our depot we are on a 45 hour basic week.
we have 2 choices. Job & Knock or ‘hours’. You are guaranteed 45 hours pay, and anything after is paid as overtime with a premium.
so, you either do ‘hours’ and drag everything out, or get on with it and do 8 (or 7, or 6…) hours a day and get paid 9.
I’m job and knock. People ask why. Ok, take 5 day runs for a weeks work…I can do it in 40 hours (and get paid 45), but another driver could hang it out for 50 hours. For that extra 10 hours, he get’s paid 5 hours money. The extra 10 hours he has done more than me work out at about £6.50 hr…
that’s why I do job and knock.
I also haven’t damaged a vehicle or had a serious tacho infringement in 10 years!
There’s talk our depot are stopping job and knock soon, guess i’ll be dragging it then…
If you ask me j&k is just ■■■■ right dangerous it encourages speeding, infringements & damage as a result to name but a few - thats just my opinion of it
I’m on J&K but still stop for a chat. Get back when I get back.
im paid by the hour but as i just do three roro skip collections a day from the same customer i usually treat it as j&k so i can get home earlier. normally 10.5hrs shift
I’m salaried and get a job and knock most of the time as long i don’t finish stupid early but even if i know that i’ve got a j & k i don’t rush back after i’ve done my collection or last drop i’d rather have a relaxing day rather than racing about to save 20 minutes or so.
But i can see how some people might bend the rules a bit.
should be banned…
i worked for a spot where it was j&k, but in my opinion it was this way so that the trucks were back at a reasonable time so that they could be loaded for the next day.
I am job and knock on Paris and back in a day … Please don’t try and ban it !!
jimboy124:
I am job and knock on Paris and back in a day … Please don’t try and ban it !!
We had a prat on for us years ago, that told us he used to drive for Shearings and take kids on day trips to…Russia… 
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jimboy124:
I am job and knock on Paris and back in a day … Please don’t try and ban it !!We had a prat on for us years ago, that told us he used to drive for Shearings and take kids on day trips to…Russia…
Well you see I do go to Paris and back in a day . Got it down to about 16 and a half hours from Northampton …
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Well you see I do go to Paris and back in a day . Got it down to about 16 and a half hours from Northampton …
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That’ll be doubled manned for TNT then ?
martinviking:
Well you see I do go to Paris and back in a day . Got it down to about 16 and a half hours from Northampton …
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That’ll be doubled manned for TNT then ?
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Might be :lol::lol: