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UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Agencies - actually tell you the hourly rates, T&Cs, etc when you make any enquiry about a job, be it temp or perm any-five-from seven blah blah…

What I am still trying to work out is

How come Actual companies advertising real, directly-employed PAYE jobs

Don’t bother to tell you anything about the bloody job, other than that there are “Vacancies”?

I would imagine over 90% of would-be applicants - are applying whilst actually employed elsewhere, rather than from a “On-the-dole” or “Career change” position…

SO…

You’re gonna wanna know straight up - is it worth even applying for a job, that might well represent a cut in pay, T&Cs compared to the job one is already doing - right?

I’d like to find out the current levels of pay of as many full-time would-be employers as possible, to see if the grass really is greener working elsewhere…

DPD, GIst, Fedex, etc. - plus outfits like those american firms that want to take over all our supermarkets…

Then there’s Bidvest - can’t find out any information for full time jobs, any web search just gives you the usual agency go-between…

…And yet the number of actual real jobs being advertized on company websites is growing rapidly now…

Is there a “Dark Web” where actual truth gets posted, and you can find out such information?

I thought I was good at searching stuff out, but bugger me - trying to find out Pay levels in the industry I’ve worked in for decades - has never been harder. :frowning:

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Sometimes they do post a salary in a job advertisement, sometimes not. I’m not crying into my cornflakes about it.

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What I’ve found is that if they don’t state their rate of pay in an advert there’s a bloody good reason for it…the money is sh.
The ones who do state their rate of pay in an advert also do it for a reason, because they are among the better payers in the area, so they will attract more drivers and choose the better ones.
Peanuts and monkeys. :bulb:

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The problem for employers, and yes even the best payers get leap frogged every now and then, depending sometimes on which month they apply pay rises, is that if there’s a defintive price list as such then everyone is going to apply to company X, but when company Y increase their pay in 6 months time are all the price checkers going to jump ship, rinse and repeat?

There’s a lot more to a job than just pay rate, there’s how the pay is made up what’s required for that pay over which days and the hours within, plus the benefits can add up to make one place apprently paying less a more lucrative prospect in the long run.

Generally the logistics.com operators mentioned in Winseer’s post will pay much the same, and the chances are you’ll be working for interchangeable clones all trained and steeped in the same logistics.com ■■■■■■■■, so for me all of those would be the very last places i’d be applying for a job anyway.

Would i want my employer advertising the pay rate or complete package for all and sundry to pore over?, no, because doing so would attract too many of those who’s sole interest in the job is money, for those who can’t work out why this wouldn’t end well over time i can’t be arsed to explain.

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I get what you mean Juddian, but in the past I have not bothered my arse taking an enquiry any further if a firm do not state the pay rate,.but who go out of their way to tell me I’ll be driving a ‘Top spec truck with a microwave fitted’, or something,…for the reasons I’ve stated in my last post.
Fair enough most of those companies I already know what they are like, but you get my meaning I reck.

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it Can be a minefield winseer trying to sort jobs out , I understand why lots choose benefits

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Quite agree about where they state the superextratoplinespacewithabitmoreontopfestoonedinlights you’ll be lucky enough to drive :unamused: , only ever see one of those ads and yes a known ■■■■ poor payer but you’d be driving a Scania 4 series, phwoar.

The poxy transporter outfit i cut my teeth on were renowned for telling whoppers about earnings potential tgo get them roped in (was going to be several months before skilled or fast enough for serious money making whatever happened, gotcha :imp: ), sadly for them the lads who i trained heard the honest version, and oddly enough one of the lads i trained (he dropped out as many do on that game) told me about his dad and where he worked, better bloody money than i was on at the time and home every night, roughly 3 weeks later that’s where i went.
Where i am, never advertised, no information forthcoming about wages until interview stage, starting salary was quite an eye opener for the honestly stated typical hours, couple of years later my mate applied and on his way home from interview phoned me to ask if he’d misheard the offer, course that jammy sod started on a cream shift pattern too which is about par for the bloody course with him :grimacing:

Some places you get the feel for, some are worth taking a chance on being a waste of your time applying.

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When they put a salary you hear the 2000 a week brigade going i cant get out of bed for that.I find it easier to hear things from the firm itself.

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Juddian:
The problem for employers, and yes even the best payers get leap frogged every now and then, depending sometimes on which month they apply pay rises, is that if there’s a defintive price list as such then everyone is going to apply to company X, but when company Y increase their pay in 6 months time are all the price checkers going to jump ship, rinse and repeat?

There’s a lot more to a job than just pay rate, there’s how the pay is made up what’s required for that pay over which days and the hours within, plus the benefits can add up to make one place apprently paying less a more lucrative prospect in the long run.

Generally the logistics.com operators mentioned in Winseer’s post will pay much the same, and the chances are you’ll be working for interchangeable clones all trained and steeped in the same logistics.com ■■■■■■■■, so for me all of those would be the very last places i’d be applying for a job anyway.

Would i want my employer advertising the pay rate or complete package for all and sundry to pore over?, no, because doing so would attract too many of those who’s sole interest in the job is money, for those who can’t work out why this wouldn’t end well over time i can’t be arsed to explain.

It’s not as a simple as that juddian. Turn the tables and put yourself in the CEOs shoes. You are hearing about a driver shortage in the press, you are seeing rates going up on job ads and you have new customers starting soon which are going to require you to expand your driver pool. You could do what you’ve always done and wing it by advertising the usual “competitve rates of pay” and other vague crap, but your chances of anyone actually applying are next to zero when there are 10 agencies within a 5 mile radius all with DRIVERS URGENTLY NEEDED ads and stating £20/hr.

Rightly or wrongly, when the market is short of supply then the no.1 attraction by a huge margin is the money as that is your best chance by far to motivate drivers to get off their arses to come and move your [zb] for you before your customer charges YOU for non-delivery. Any ad that doesn’t list the money or some variation of “competitive” will be skipped right by for 99% of drivers.

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An agency might tout sky-high rates right now - but actual firms offering full time jobs - might like to compete in other ways, rather than just the top line pay rate…

I was thinking of “Family friendly hours” and it actually being meant when they say “All shifts available across 24/7 operation”…
Family Friendly to me - means spending more days per week at home, rather than just the old “avoiding nights out”, but falling asleep in one’s armchair, 'cos you’re knackered by the time you get home - the old “work-eat-sleep-rinse-repeat” for 5-6 shifts per week, if one’s not careful…

I, for instance - could easily do a 3x15 or 4x12 for my full time working week. I’ve done 12-15 hours on ZHC jobs for so long, I kinda got used to the longer shifts anyways - but what I definitely DON’T want is any more 5-6 shift weeks where you’re expected to work at least 10 hours, which on nights - I thought was against the WTD which we didn’t ever leave - did we?

Wasn’t the “Opt Out” - stopped?

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The 10hr night working time rule can still be opted out of via a collective workforce agreement

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Winseer:
An agency might tout sky-high rates right now - but actual firms offering full time jobs - might like to compete in other ways, rather than just the top line pay rate…

I was thinking of “Family friendly hours” and it actually being meant when they say “All shifts available across 24/7 operation”…
Family Friendly to me - means spending more days per week at home, rather than just the old “avoiding nights out”, but falling asleep in one’s armchair, 'cos you’re knackered by the time you get home - the old “work-eat-sleep-rinse-repeat” for 5-6 shifts per week, if one’s not careful…

I, for instance - could easily do a 3x15 or 4x12 for my full time working week. I’ve done 12-15 hours on ZHC jobs for so long, I kinda got used to the longer shifts anyways - but what I definitely DON’T want is any more 5-6 shift weeks where you’re expected to work at least 10 hours, which on nights - I thought was against the WTD which we didn’t ever leave - did we?

Wasn’t the “Opt Out” - stopped?

Plenty of firms offering 4on-4off rotas. Full time. But nobody is going to pay 5 or 6 days wages, for 3and a half days work… I’ve done it for years, but you need to be able to live on the money.

Stop whingeing , and make up your mind.

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I dont see any problem with any 5 of 7 shifts.Where i am now when i went for interview i told them no weekends and we agreed .Hourly rate may be good but too many rules are a no for me.

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dozy:
it Can be a minefield winseer trying to sort jobs out , I understand why lots choose benefits

I’ve got a directly-employed job - thanks, and it pays to be part time right now. There might come a time in the future when it pays to go back to full time - but I’m not holding my breath.

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WheelsofCardiff:
I dont see any problem with any 5 of 7 shifts.Where i am now when i went for interview i told them no weekends and we agreed .Hourly rate may be good but too many rules are a no for me.

Lemme see… (Any 5 from 7) - (Not willing to work weekends) = Monday-Friday job.

…IF my math is correct, of course… :smiley:

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Winseer:

WheelsofCardiff:
I dont see any problem with any 5 of 7 shifts.Where i am now when i went for interview i told them no weekends and we agreed .Hourly rate may be good but too many rules are a no for me.

Lemme see… (Any 5 from 7) - (Not willing to work weekends) = Monday-Friday job.

…IF my math is correct, of course… :smiley:

To be fair, any 5 from 7 but no weekends is a straight up 5 from 5 Monday to Friday. Can’t fault Winseer there.

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There’s a radio advert doing the rounds in the East Midlands (GEM radio), a Nottingham based haulage company are rapidly expanding and are looking for drivers/trampers for a multitude to shift patterns, the ad goes on to ask you to txt a number to make contact, but it doesn’t state who they are, anyone wanna she some light on who it is?

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Winseer:
I’ve got a directly-employed job - thanks.

:open_mouth:

Wait. Someone actually employed you? :astonished:

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peirre:
There’s a radio advert doing the rounds in the East Midlands (GEM radio), a Nottingham based haulage company are rapidly expanding and are looking for drivers/trampers for a multitude to shift patterns, the ad goes on to ask you to txt a number to make contact, but it doesn’t state who they are, anyone wanna she some light on who it is?

Just give me a moment to dust off my crystal ball… . :unamused:

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Noremac:

Winseer:

WheelsofCardiff:
I dont see any problem with any 5 of 7 shifts.Where i am now when i went for interview i told them no weekends and we agreed .Hourly rate may be good but too many rules are a no for me.

Lemme see… (Any 5 from 7) - (Not willing to work weekends) = Monday-Friday job.

…IF my math is correct, of course… :smiley:

To be fair, any 5 from 7 but no weekends is a straight up 5 from 5 Monday to Friday. Can’t fault Winseer there.

I think what Wheels of Cardiff means is that they may 'advertise ’ any 5 of 7 jobs but its up to you to either accept that, or tell them no, or only Saturdays, or Sundays (if that suits you). Its up to the firm to show how desperate they are.