Jimmy Savile

Wheel Nut:
Charles was all geared up for marrying Amanda Knatchbull, granddaughter of Louis Mountbatten, it was only after he got blown up that she decided that the Royal Family life was not for her, so Charlie was seeing to Dianas sister at the time of meeting her

More like that’s the bs script that they fed the public.When the reality was more like that East Enders storyline which I’ve written above.Unless you know better and you can come up with some answers a to who Diana was dating in the time between when she first met Charles to the time he (was supposed to have) first took an ‘interest’ in her later.

The fact is in any other case today,involving the same scenario,of a 15 year old girl being held back from dating within her own age group,becase she’s been lined up for an arranged marriage with an older late 20’s/early 30’s bloke,then social services and the police would be involved concerning the possibility of grooming.Especially if it’s then found that the girl’s own parent/s family are involved with the issue. :imp:

It’s just that in this case it’s never going to happen because they’d have to investigate and then put some very influential people on trial for what actually happened.Which is why this case will end up in a big cover up,because it’s linked,and it’s why they’ve left it until Savile was dead before raising the issues and asking the questions and it’s also why he was bullet proof while he was alive. :imp:

In this case they might get a few of those who took adavantage of the situation but all of those at the top,who were really pulling the strings,will get away with it assuming they’re all still alive.

But exactly what was it that stopped Charles from marrying Diana’s sister and why go for her younger sister instead assuming that he really was ever interested in her older sister :question: :question: .The fact is he didn’t love or really want either of them.Which is why the establishment decided that it needed to soften up the public.That’s because it wasn’t the type of age gap marriage between Joe and Nicola Philpot in which love alone was enough to defeat the modern day public backlash against it,after everyone had forgotten all about the previous BBC propaganda excercise,used to justify the so called age gap ‘Royal Wedding’.

Can this thread get any worse? There’s more bs here than Thame Cattle Market. WTF have the royals and Eastenders got to do with Saville for Christs’ sake?
Talking of Saville, apparently he was stiff in the morgue long before he died (according to the Star).

Carryfast what are you actually saying? That Charles and Diana was just a public stunt to develop modern culture to accept age gap marriages?

I think that CF is hinting that Charles was getting on a bit and really needed to produce an heir.A woman of his own age would have seen some action so a younger bit was required.Very sad for Diana and her family.

While we are on Charles and Di no way is he Harrys father.

FarnboroughBoy11:
Carryfast what are you actually saying? That Charles and Diana was just a public stunt to develop modern culture to accept age gap marriages?

No I’m saying the opposite.The media culture of the 1970’s by the BBC was a publicity stunt to change attitudes and perceptions,amongst the public and any potential girl,who fitted the search for a young teenaged Royal ‘bride’,for the (by then) too old Prince Charles,from revulsion to acceptance.So no wonder that the BBC employed such drastic tactics to get the job done by ‘inviting’ loads of teenaged girls onto the stage of TOTP etc to get ‘involved’ physically with older tv ‘presenters’ on camera while keeping those girls away from blokes of their own age.The result being the unintended consequences of the girls involved,in being duped into involvement in the publicity stunt on tv,then also being being got at off camera backstage by those ■■■■■■■■■■ tv ‘presenters’ who were taking advantage of the situation.While other young girls of the same generation,were also influenced by the same media stunt,and then decided to go for older blokes instead of ones of their own age,whereas they probably wouldn’t have done previously.

It’s that fact,that the format of programmes like TOTP,was arranged and directed on the basis,of making sure that there was no actual contact between the girls and the blokes of their own age,while there was between those girls and the adult ‘presenters’,which shows the motivation behind those programmes.Whereas if it had been genuine it would have been young blokes and girls of under 18 invited in equal numbers ( hopefully a slight surplus of girls would have been even better :smiley: ) every week with just contact between those groups of young people.Without any contact allowed whatsoever between any of those young people and the presenters or stars on the show at all together with plenty of references reaffirming the reasons for the segretion on the show.IE all the presenters and stars telling everyone they could have been getting some of the action if only they were under 18.But that probably would have sunk Charles’ and the establishment’s prospects of getting the teenaged virgin that they were looking for and then found in the mid 1970’s. :bulb:

But surely no one can be naive enough to think that a lot of the content that gets put into the tv schedules isn’t just peacetime propaganda to sway societal views to whatever direction those who are directing that content want. :unamused:

I’m actually saying that the establishment just wanted Diana as a breeding tool nothing more and the BBC’s actions during the 1970’s,concerning it’s treatment of the young women,of my age at the time,was just a propaganda excercise to justify the age thing in the eyes of the potential girl and the general public.Considering that the idea of such a grooming excercise and arranged marriage,between a bloke of Charle’s age and a girl of Diana’s,would be unnacceptable to most girls and their parents and many of the public.As shown since that time when public perceptions returned to ‘normal’,in regards to that issue,again. :bulb:

As I’ve said East Enders today reflects the establishment wish for the societal acceptance of close age relationships and same ■■■ relationships while pushing that societal acceptance away from age gap relationships.As I’ve said that’s in total contrast to the situation in the 1970’s.Which is why in the 1970’s we saw Savile,Gary Glitter amongst others getting away with doing stuff with under 18,even under 16 girls on TOTP etc,on camera,let alone what possibly went on off camera and backstage,that today would probably have the alarm bells ringing at social services and the police. :bulb:

It’s also why today we have same ■■■ relationships being portrayed and numerous other content in other programmes that are suited to the cause of getting same ■■■ relationships made societally acceptable to the point of allowing such marriages in church and such couples to adopt other people’s children because their ideas obviously won’t let them have any of their own. :bulb:

While,as I’ve also said,there’s no way that we’re ever going to see any storylines these days in East Enders that would reflect that situation in the 1970’s in which age gaps between older blokes and teenaged girls were being portrayed in the media as something to be celebrated not an issue for public revulsion.Such as in that hypothetical storyline concerning a bloke of Prince Charles’ age being with Abi.Which would have been no big deal in the world of the 1970’s, after all the softening up carried out in the media by blokes like Savile,Gary Glitter,and ‘others’,but probably totally socially unnacceptable now. :bulb:

As the Romans would say who gained from all this and why the big change.

Obviously it’s those at the top who arrange the content so it’s those at the top on who’s agenda the whole issue is based.

It doesn’t take a genius to realise that what was obviously an arranged marriage between Charles and Diana for obvious reasons,would today be a cause of grooming investigations,based on the questions which I’ve raised,concerning her being kept from having the chance to date anyone of her own age,so that Charles could have her when the establishment felt the timing would be best to minimise any possible public revulsion,concerning the issue of an obviously naive young girl,being pushed into (groomed for) an innapropriate relationship (for her) with an older bloke who didn’t love her because he never even knew her,as we are led to believe,because it was ‘supposed’ to be her older sister that he wanted.What makes it all worse is that her parents and family seem to be implicated in the action by co operating with it instead of protecting her from it. :bulb:

It also doesn’t take a genius to realise that the agenda at the BBC (establishment mouthpiece) was all about pushing that idea,of keeping teenaged girls away from blokes of their own age,so that a load of older tv ‘presenters’ (paedophiles in reality) could get at them instead.Which obviously would have had an influence on public perceptions and impressions on any young girls of the relevant age at the time in regards to their general outlooks,towards age gap relationships,which probably wouldn’t have been anything like as accepting and tolerant had such a propaganda excercise not been carried out in the media before and during the time in question. :bulb:

After the establishment had got what it wanted from Diana that agenda obviously gradually changed from pushing age gap relationships to one of furthering the cause of same ■■■ relationships and same/close age relationships.Hence the reason for the total opposite agenda in the content of 2012 East Enders as opposed to 1970’s TOTP etc. :bulb:

But the common denominator,that connects all those different agendas,is that they’ve all,at one point in time or another,had friends in very high places.While,as I’ve said,the issue of young blokes losing out with the girls of their own age today,to older blokes would be seen as a morale breaker with the young single troops in the ‘war on terror’ and the ones who haven’t joined up also obviously benefitting from the situation.

Which isn’t a luxury which young single blokes had during the 1970’s for obvious reasons.While obviously at least some of the girls from the time having also paid a high price all for what was effectively an establishment Royal age gap search,‘courtship’ and ‘wedding’ of the worst kind,that obviously had nothing to do with love,and a media blitz being used to justify it at the time. :imp: :bulb:

alamcculloch:
I think that CF is hinting that Charles was getting on a bit and really needed to produce an heir.A woman of his own age would have seen some action so a younger bit was required.Very sad for Diana and her family.

That’s assuming her family weren’t also ‘in’ on pushing her into the whole bs so called ‘marriage’.

While the media blitz,which was obviously all about softening up the population and perceptions of potential young women who fitted the search criterea and justifying the idea of keeping younger blokes of her own age away when they’d found her.So that Charles could get his ‘bit’ without having the possibility of her maybe having seen some ‘action’,with someone of her own age,before he got there (which would have probably meant him losing her to the bloke of her own age anyway),and the establishment knowing that he never loved her enough,to justify marrying her at 16-18 and just facing the public backlash at that time,concerning the age of the girl and the age gap,before the BBC had tamed the ‘audience’ (and the unlucky potential girl) into acceptance.All of which eventually obviously ended up hurting a lot more young people of her own generation than just her. :imp: :imp: :imp:

But the idea that I’m just ‘hinting’ is an understatement of massive proportions.

I’m also not just hinting about him getting on a bit or the need to find a girl who hadn’t seen some action.I’m also saying that a girl of 30+ isn’t of the best age to have a family both from the point of view of her fertility and the increased medical risks to both mother and child and the Royal medics knew it.In addition to that fact,as I’ve said,it’s not fair on children to have a mother who’s almost old enough to be their grandmother.

It’s just that this time the establishment has been caught out by the new pc idea of close/same age relationships only (which I’m torn between supporting on one hand and not on the other for obvious reasons ) and women being ‘advised’ to think about their ‘careers’ more than child rearing.So even the establishment hasn’t got the bottle now to go against all that by using double standards for the Royals,compared to everyone else,by trying to pull the same stunt,as they did with Diana,twice. :bulb: :imp:

kr79:
While we are on Charles and Di no way is he Harrys father.

:smiling_imp: :laughing:

It’s a mystery.Maybe maybe not.But we’ll never know.But he’s getting closer to 30 all the time and I’m betting he’ll have Andrew’s ideas,on the age of the girl he’s looking for and therefore age gaps,more than his (maybe half) brother’s ideas as time goes on.

guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/0 … euse-fixer

That’s assuming that he doesn’t want a same age wife and assuming he can find a 17 year old bird who hasn’t already been spoken for,by a bloke of her own age,in the new pc world here.Which is obviously the softening up excercise before they impose US federal law making under 18 girls effectively off limits to over 18 blokes.In which case he’s probably not got much more of a chance than I have now.

Although if I was him I’d know who I’d be asking for an arranged marriage with,if she’s not spoken for yet (unlikely),and if he doesn’t want her I’d take her on and forgive her. :smiley: :smiling_imp:

serpholicmedia.com/news/prin … arge-14967

One of the Asian men accused of grooming young girls in Rochdale was known locally as Jamaal Fixit.

She is fit that Spencer’s daughter and well worth a poke but she’s 10 years younger and that makes me a pedo :laughing:

keebs26uk:
She is fit that Spencer’s daughter and well worth a poke but she’s 10 years younger and that makes me a pedo :laughing:

At this rate they’ll have to turn the whole of Britain into a top security prison. :open_mouth: :laughing:

youtube.com/watch?v=5zRV5a7-9y4

youtube.com/watch?v=iAUqI-cpMZE

But seriously why and how did the BBC get/want that many young birds there when it didn’t seem to have anything to do with matching numbers of blokes of those girls’ age for them/us to have some fun instead of the zb ‘presenters’ and who knows who else amongst all the older blokes who those girls ‘seemed’ (understatement) to be going for at the time.That was more young birds of my own age than I ever saw at all the places and partys I ever went to.But no surprise even with that lot it was the older blokes who they were into not ones of their own age. :open_mouth: :imp:

Although obviously anyone wearing Doc Martens (or external steel toe cap boots :smiling_imp: ) and a crombie would obviously have been considered a risk,when it came to an argument between Savile and co about who was going to be getting,at least one of,those girls,so I’d have been turned back at the door at the BBC centre to start with even if I’d been invited. :smiling_imp: :imp:

So where did they get them,how did they get them,why did they want/need/arrange so many girls as opposed to blokes of those girls’ own age,why didn’t they invite equal numbers of young blokes,like myself at the time,to join the girls on the show,and last,but not least,what happened afterwards off camera and backstage. :imp: :imp: :imp:

Some girls that went to my school went to see it a few times this would be around 95 when we were 15/16. Anyone could get tickets at that time and they always asked a few of us boys if we fancied going but none really did it was sort of seen as uncool for boys to want to go to it. By then though I think totp had lost its edge with things like mtv on the scene so it may have been different in the 70s when it was pretty much it when it came to music on tv.
Even by the 80s you had the tube which was seen as much cooler.

kr79:
Some girls that went to my school went to see it a few times this would be around 95 when we were 15/16. Anyone could get tickets at that time and they always asked a few of us boys if we fancied going but none really did it was sort of seen as uncool for boys to want to go to it. By then though I think totp had lost its edge with things like mtv on the scene so it may have been different in the 70s when it was pretty much it when it came to music on tv.
Even by the 80s you had the tube which was seen as much cooler.

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.There was a big difference between the 1970’s and what happened later.But for Diana,like me,it was,as you say,TOTP was where it was at for music on tv with some ‘entertainment’.But no if there had been invites,especially in my case and probably plenty of others,who I went to school with,and we’d have been told that it was going to be a party with loads of girls of our own age,with a ratio of at least one bird for each of us :smiley: ,we’d have been there.

But like I’ve said,the 70’s girls were often being brainwashed into going for older blokes anyway for obvious reasons related to the establishment’s search for a 15 year old bird (more like 13 considering when the Queen had been earmarked before ),for a getting on for 30 Royal and it’s obvious that a load of bovver boot and crombie wearing,women starved blokes,who didn’t have the luxury of going to a mixed school,would have been in no mood for compromise with zb Savile’s lot when it came to deciding who got the women on the show.Which obviously wouldn’t have fitted that Royal establishment agenda. :bulb: :smiling_imp:

Prehaps you should of been a new romantic might of had more luck lol

George Clooney to play Jimmy Saville in the upcoming film O’She’s Eleven…"
:laughing:

kr79:
Prehaps you should of been a new romantic might of had more luck lol

I don’t think many of those groupies on TOTP,especially some of the ones who’ve been in the papers saying (now) that they were got at by Savile and co,were exactly looking for ‘romance’ at the time.Something tells me that the ones who’ve said anything are just the tip of the iceberg.

The fact is it wasn’t my fault that so many of the women,of my own generation,don’t seem to have had a clue when it came to sorting out what they wanted in life from an age when they were old enough to have known what they were doing and to have been looking for decent relationships.

Although having said that maybe it’s not surprising considering that many of them seem to have been subjected to a type of mass grooming/brainwashing excercise all set up to give the establishment what it wanted at the time. :frowning: :imp:

Yeah but I bet you would have looked great in the blitz club in a ww1 German generals uniform a beehive hair do and eyeliner with spa dai ballet and boy George and all that mob lol

He was said to have visited a few homes for foster kids where he was alleged to have taken advantage of some of them, I know if this is true it was wrong to say the least, but I couldn’t help but notice the black humour irony that the spokesman for his family on the news today was called …wait for it…Roger Foster :neutral_face::smiley:

kr79:
Yeah but I bet you would have looked great in the blitz club in a ww1 German generals uniform a beehive hair do and eyeliner with spa dai ballet and boy George and all that mob lol

:open_mouth:

No thanks TOTP early-mid 1970’s would have been fine thanks in which case Savile and co might have found themselves not wanting to bother any more birds after that. :smiling_imp: Assuming those birds had been worth all the charges which would have followed.So maybe it’s better that I didn’t get invited after all. :bulb: :wink:

Carryfast. I’m quite shocked at your views. Switchlogic … I’m quite disappointed that you let carryfast get the rise on you YET AGAIN! You’re better than that. He is a troll. Has to be.

Back on topic did anyone see the Louis Theroux meets Jimmy on you tube? Guilty as hell!

I was searching through this thread to see if anyone else had posted a link, but quite frankly got bored of the carryfast/switchlogic slanging match by page 7

I tried to find a link to the full Louis/Jimmy program on youtube, but its been removed! It was there last week, but has gone now!

The main bits were jimmy saying he was feared in every playground in england when questioned about his wrestling career and the bit near the end when louis asks jimmy why he was reported as hating children. He kept saying the press cant prove if he is a ■■■■■, but he kept saying that ‘they cant prove I am’ and then the third time he says it he quickly adds “or not” to the end of the sentence. Guilty as hell as I see it, but maybe you need to watch it to see what I mean.

Basically he kept saying the press cant prove I AM (emphasis on I AM) and then he rapidly adds “OR NOT” when he realizes what he’s saying.