Jimmy Savile

davepenn54:
Once again you have disrupted a topic to pursue your own agenda < > because you do not understand the words ‘intelligent debate’ ;

Because he is text book Contrarian :wink:

A contrarian is a person who takes up a position opposed to that of the majority, no matter how unpopular. Contrarian styles of argument and disagreement have historically been associated with radicalism and dissent

contrarian

  1. A person who disagrees with the mainstream or accepted view because he believes it makes him look good and feeds his ego, not because his argument is well thought-out or rational.
  2. A false iconoclast who attacks the idols of truth and social justice in order to bring freedom to the status quo and powerful interests.
  3. A person who believes they are staking a claim of intellectual daring by suggesting that progress has harmed society.

We shouldn’t mock the afflicted. A good psychiatrist would have a field day with him :wink:

After he’d buckled him into that special jacket :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

@billybigrig, absolutely brilliant definition :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Regards
Dave Penn;

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

davepenn54:
@carryfast, Sir Jimmy Saville was not a homosexual he was a predatory ■■■ offender with a predilection for young pubescent girls not boys or men :open_mouth: Paedophiles are not gay men :exclamation: they are men and women who have an unnatural ■■■■■■ interest in children and usually find it very difficult to form any kind of normal relationship with someone of the same age group be that a man or a woman.

He was a very cunning & manipulative person who was also very powerful and had influential friends who might have been involved in some way, either as a participant or by ignoring his behaviour, trying to expose him in any would have been very difficult because of the ‘saintly’ aura he had cultivated for himself over the years through his never ending self promotion, phony eccentricity and massive amount of charity work.

He typically went for ‘troubled’ young girls who couldn’t challenge him in any way and those who became star struck by his fame and wealth and he played the generous loving father figure roll as part of his game plan, but this generosity and attention always had to be repaid, that is how a successful ■■■■■■■■■■ operates :open_mouth:

If you knew anything about the behaviour of ■■■ offenders you would be very careful about some of the things you are saying on this forum as you are coming across as an old bloke with an unnatural interest in under age pubescent girls :open_mouth:

Regards
Dave Penn;

No just upsetting the bs age gap issues that seem to be applied on an arbitrary basis to decent age gap relationships and which as I’ve said are being tied into some bs connection with the actions of a pervert like zb Savile.

If you really think that I’ve said anything criminal then tough in which case as I’ve said there’s plenty of others out there who’ll now be going to jail for actually (legally) doing what I’m just talking about and discussing nothing more.Although no surprise that most replies on here have more to do with personal animosity than intelligent debate. :unamused:

I agree with you carryfast that age shouldn’t matter. If a 20 year old bird wants to be with a 70 year old man, I think that’s fine, assuming the 70 year old hasn’t groomed her and brainwashed her since she was 12.

Now you’re getting it.I don’t think,in fact I’m sure,being that the law aren’t stupid,that any of the examples which I’ve been discussing involved anyone brainwashing any girl since the age of 12. :bulb:

At present I’d even give Jeremy Forrest the benefit of the doubt concerning such a criteria on all the evidence,‘so far’.

As for me there is a 20 year old girl who I know :smiley: who I’d actually prefer to any that I’ve mentioned previously,but she,let alone her Father,probably won’t see it that way unfortunately. :frowning:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

davepenn54:
@carryfast, Sir Jimmy Saville was not a homosexual he was a predatory ■■■ offender with a predilection for young pubescent girls not boys or men :open_mouth: Paedophiles are not gay men :exclamation: they are men and women who have an unnatural ■■■■■■ interest in children and usually find it very difficult to form any kind of normal relationship with someone of the same age group be that a man or a woman.

He was a very cunning & manipulative person who was also very powerful and had influential friends who might have been involved in some way, either as a participant or by ignoring his behaviour, trying to expose him in any would have been very difficult because of the ‘saintly’ aura he had cultivated for himself over the years through his never ending self promotion, phony eccentricity and massive amount of charity work.

He typically went for ‘troubled’ young girls who couldn’t challenge him in any way and those who became star struck by his fame and wealth and he played the generous loving father figure roll as part of his game plan, but this generosity and attention always had to be repaid, that is how a successful ■■■■■■■■■■ operates :open_mouth:

If you knew anything about the behaviour of ■■■ offenders you would be very careful about some of the things you are saying on this forum as you are coming across as an old bloke with an unnatural interest in under age pubescent girls :open_mouth:

Regards
Dave Penn;

No just upsetting the bs age gap issues that seem to be applied on an arbitrary basis to decent age gap relationships and which as I’ve said are being tied into some bs connection with the actions of a pervert like zb Savile.

If you really think that I’ve said anything criminal then tough in which case as I’ve said there’s plenty of others out there who’ll now be going to jail for actually (legally) doing what I’m just talking about and discussing nothing more.Although no surprise that most replies on here have more to do with personal animosity than intelligent debate. :unamused:

I agree with you carryfast that age shouldn’t matter. If a 20 year old bird wants to be with a 70 year old man, I think that’s fine, assuming the 70 year old hasn’t groomed her and brainwashed her since she was 12.

Now you’re getting it.I don’t think,in fact I’m sure,being that the law aren’t stupid,that any of the examples which I’ve been discussing involved anyone brainwashing any girl since the age of 12. :bulb:

At present I’d even give Jeremy Forrest the benefit of the doubt concerning such a criteria on all the evidence,‘so far’.

As for me there is a 20 year old girl who I know :smiley: who I’d actually prefer to any that I’ve mentioned previously,but she,let alone her Father,probably won’t see it that way unfortunately. :frowning:

I know I was just using a 12 year old as an example.

At the age of 20 a girl is an adult and it’s her life and she knows what she’s doing.

Megan stammers is 15 and is a child and I think Jeremy Forrest has in fact groomed her and he has been put into a position of trust as a teacher which he has abused in my opinion.

Well I think we’ve all learnt something here. That the drugs Carryfast are on are ■■■■ good…no hang on maybe they are bad…errrrr, not sure now.

As for me as I’ve said and for dave penn’s benefit a girl of 25 would do fine thanks.Although as I’ve said I’d bet exactly the same bs claims would be made because it’s all about some zb’d up modern revulsion concerning age gaps.

I just couldn’t resist responding to this, I will be 59 in January and the Michelle highlighted at that bottom of my post’s is my late wife who tragically passed away in February this year, she was 32 :exclamation: We had been together 9 yrs; also Michelle was the same age as my eldest daughter but no-one had a problem with our relationship because I’m not a pervert or ■■■■ after pubescent girls. I’ve been a single parent with shared custody of 2 girls until they were both 16yrs old and I’m now a single parent again of an 11 yr old boy who is not my biological son but I now have permanent residency and parental responsibility for him which I have fought very hard for through the family court system over the last 7 months and will soon have Special Guardianship granted.

Like I said carryfast if you did a bit more research within the whole forum and looked at other people’s post’s rather than pursuing your own limited agenda all the time and stop being a text book ‘Contrarian’ you might see a bit further than the end of your own nose. Oh and I’ve also worked with ■■■ offenders when I worked at HMP Leeds, HMP Wakefield and HMP NewHall between 1990 & 1996 and if you don’t want to take the bit of friendly advice I offered that’s fine by me, it was offered without prejudice but that is something you appear to be unable to understand never mind ‘intelligent debate’ :unamused:

Regards
Dave Penn;

Newhall, horrible place … one of my daughters were in there :cry:

It ain’t right for a bloke to get with someone say 15years plus younger.

But the subject is actually about Jimmy himself. We can go on forever and a day about age gaps etc and we will never agree. Why ? Because we are all So different

So back on topic I now believe he did all this I tried not too but after hearing statements that were so disturbing I can’t see why they would lie etc.

Grave needs to be dug up bones snapped and Peaed on then burnt.

Even now tonight the BBC is saying sorry

davepenn54:

As for me as I’ve said and for dave penn’s benefit a girl of 25 would do fine thanks.Although as I’ve said I’d bet exactly the same bs claims would be made because it’s all about some zb’d up modern revulsion concerning age gaps.

I just couldn’t resist responding to this, I will be 59 in January and the Michelle highlighted at that bottom of my post’s is my late wife who tragically passed away in February this year, she was 32 :exclamation: We had been together 9 yrs; also Michelle was the same age as my eldest daughter but no-one had a problem with our relationship because I’m not a pervert or ■■■■ after pubescent girls. I’ve been a single parent with shared custody of 2 girls until they were both 16yrs old and I’m now a single parent again of an 11 yr old boy who is not my biological son but I now have permanent residency and parental responsibility for him which I have fought very hard for through the family court system over the last 7 months and will soon have Special Guardianship granted.

Like I said carryfast if you did a bit more research within the whole forum and looked at other people’s post’s rather than pursuing your own limited agenda all the time and stop being a text book ‘Contrarian’ you might see a bit further than the end of your own nose. Oh and I’ve also worked with ■■■ offenders when I worked at HMP Leeds, HMP Wakefield and HMP NewHall between 1990 & 1996 and if you don’t want to take the bit of friendly advice I offered that’s fine by me, it was offered without prejudice but that is something you appear to be unable to understand never mind ‘intelligent debate’ :unamused:

Regards
Dave Penn;

I can’t see the connection with my references to the difference between the legal large age gap relationships,such as the one between Joe and Nicola Philpot,who no surprise was accused of being a ■■■■■■■■■■ but certainly wasn’t,as the fact that he (rightly) never ended up subject,to your attentions in the prison system and is still,at least so far,still happily married,to the girl now in her mid 20’s who he started seeing when she was 15 and he was 54,compared to the type of case such as the Savile case.

The same applies in the case of Jeremy Forrest,at least on the evidence so far,compared to the Joe and Nicola Philpot precedent and the one involving the marriage between Clive and Jess Richards.Going by the comments here if many of those posters had been in the police service and/or jury members those blokes could possibly now be in jail. :open_mouth:

In addition to that is the example which I’ve provided,related to my own experience,in losing out to someone who seems to be branded here as a ■■■■■■■■■■,but who the facts show certainly wasn’t in any way considering,as I’ve said,he’s been married to the girl in question up until at least recently since the 1970’s.

The frightening thing is how many of those offenders might have been there because of the type of knee jerk reaction such as those seen here,possibly based on just the differences between the views between different police staff in different areas and maybe made by a misinformed jury,to what have been proved to be,legal,decent,long term relationships/marriages,involving middle aged blokes which started when their wives were mid teens.Not to mention that my reference to such examples seems to then,in your view,require my attention to your experiences with such offenders. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :confused: :confused:

As I said at the beginning I think cases such as the Savile one can dangerously distort societal attitudes towards all types of large age gap relationships just based on the subjective views of certain people who just have issues with the age gap issue,at least in the case of legal relationships,involving couples of certain ages,on the basis of indiscriminately tarring every single case with the same brush.

keebs26uk:
It ain’t right for a bloke to get with someone say 15years plus younger.

:open_mouth:

In which case you’ll need to change the law to reflect that and apply it retrospectively to make it fair and then you can shove your zb hole stinking 4 th Reich taliban type ruled country while those of us who want to live in a freer country than that can zb off somewhere else. :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Although having said that there’ll be loads of blokes who’ve dumped their older wives for a much younger model who’ll be zb’ing themselves when you send the age police and extradition warrants to get them.Luckily I’m not one of them.

Although it will be fun to see Michael Douglas’ reaction when he finds out that he’s going to jail for marrying Catherine Zeta Jones if the yanks follow the idea by putting it into Federal law. :open_mouth: :laughing:

But no I don’t agree that the subject is about the Savile case either at national level or on this topic.It’s obvious that the age police nutters are hijacking a desperately sad situation for lots of victims to impose a draconian anti age gap law regime.Your idea has let the cat out of the bag as to what the real agenda actually is.That being an indiscriminate witch hunt all based on the crimes of a dead man who the law and witnesses left too late to bring to justice.If Jeremy Forrest’s defence council allow any case against him to go ahead in the environment that this case has raised nationally it would be suicidal. :imp: :unamused:

Don’t know why I’ve been singled out as one if the moral majority as I’m a very much live and let live man. Yeah we all see the odd case in the paper of your mate philpot but its not the norm most people I know are in relationships with people of a similar age group and age gaps become less noticeable as people get older and less frowned upon but you are the one who has the obsession with them.
In the Megan stammers case I think we would all agree she wasn’t forced in to leaving the country the problem is an adult especially one who is privileged to be in a position of trust shouldn’t have done that.
As for Jimmy Savile its sad that someone who was such a big part of people’s life’s for so many years has turned out to be such a vile person if it is true of course but it does certainly look that way and the people who covered up for him should be facing charges for covering up.
But this Jimmy Savile was gay is total ■■■■ he was a peadophile and it was girls he molested not boys.
Carryfast I’m not here to judge anyone I’ve done a few things in my life I’m not to proud about now but I don’t blame anyone else for my failings or not getting my way.

When will these jimmy saville ■■■ allegations ever end?

Police are now saying jeremy beadle may have had a small hand in it :laughing:

Carryfast:

bigvern1:
Nah…■■■■■■ for even considering pumping someone as soon as legally possible. Dirty, dirty ■■■■■■■■■.

You really have got issues if you think that normal,legal,loving heterosexual,relationships are ‘dirty’. .If you’re right then the church would refuse to marry anyone between the ages of 16-18 because although it might come as a shock to you what you seem to think is described as ‘pumping’ a girl is actually an inherent part of a loving relationship.So if they raise the age of consent to 18 would that be ok :question: :question: .

Why don’t you be honest that it’s just the age gap that you’ve got issues with anyway and zb all to do with exactly what age a girl chooses to enter into a physical relationship on reaching the age of consent.

Anyway save your bs and go and tell it to the faces of those families resulting from those relationships assuming you’ve got the bottle. :unamused:

But no surprise that you probably can’t or won’t want to answer that question as to what you’d do in the case of a girl who loves a bloke who’s a lot older than her when she’s 16.IE would you force her to drop him and enter into a relationship with a bloke of her own age who she doesn’t love. Yes or no :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: .

And/Or are you saying that she should live like a nun until at least 18 or even older regardless :question: :question: :question: :question: :question: .

You’re like all the rest big on all the gob but no real idea or answers.

You are just like that Polish moron who raves on and on and on. I fell asleep reading your reply.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19933274

Another One.

Boy are they coming out of the woodwork now.

Who is going to be next i wonder. :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

But the dead cant defend themselves that’s the problem.

They don’t need to whilst this boring ■■■■ is here.

bigvern1:
I fell asleep reading your reply.

I got to about the second paragraph of his reply to me. By then I got very bored, rolled my eyes and fell asleep

If CFs’ posts are annoying, simply set him as a foe in your user control panel. His posts will be hidden…
:bulb:

kr79:
Don’t know why I’ve been singled out as one if the moral majority as I’m a very much live and let live man. Yeah we all see the odd case in the paper of your mate philpot but its not the norm most people I know are in relationships with people of a similar age group and age gaps become less noticeable as people get older and less frowned upon but you are the one who has the obsession with them.
In the Megan stammers case I think we would all agree she wasn’t forced in to leaving the country the problem is an adult especially one who is privileged to be in a position of trust shouldn’t have done that.
As for Jimmy Savile its sad that someone who was such a big part of people’s life’s for so many years has turned out to be such a vile person if it is true of course but it does certainly look that way and the people who covered up for him should be facing charges for covering up.
But this Jimmy Savile was gay is total [zb] he was a peadophile and it was girls he molested not boys.
Carryfast I’m not here to judge anyone I’ve done a few things in my life I’m not to proud about now but I don’t blame anyone else for my failings or not getting my way.

As I’ve said I really don’t give a zb what you or the other taliban nutters think about me personally,which is what most of the replies to my comments are all about,or your zb’d up views regarding not being able to understand the difference, between a ■■■■ like Savile and his ideas concerning human relationships,compared to those like mine and (not my mate Joe Philpot) or Clive Richards or the lucky zb who managed to get the girl who I wanted.It’s all about freedom for any bloke to marry any girl he wants within the law and assuming he loves her and she loves him and in this case I’ve actually lost out to something which I’m defending as part of that. :unamused:

One question.

(1) Do you think that Clive Richards,Joe Philpot and that bloke who I lost out to were paedophiles just on the basis that they were all middle aged blokes who dated and then married mid teens girls.Yes or no :question: .

If the answer is no then it doesn’t matter how few and far between the precedents or cases are there is no law against it for anyone.

If the answer is yes then why the zb didn’t they go to jail instead of ending up in happy long term marriages with their relatively younger wives and how the zb can you make the slightest sick connection with that type of scenario compared the type of ‘relationships’ with young girls that Savile was looking for :question: .

Like all the rest I reckon you’ve lost the plot.

Who are these bloody Philpotts CF keeps banging on about?