Had to laugh this afternoon they where talking about people starting new business and running them in the evening after their normal job and a truck driver from Felixstowe was telling how he started a small business (web design) and was running it mainly from his cab when he has parked up for the night then went on to give his name and who he worked . Lets just hope VOSA wasn’t listening LOL .But do wish him the best in getting of his bum to get out of this game rather than just moaning about it
He can do what he likes in his own time.
JV is a bit behind the curve on this one…it’s been on the BBC website for weeks
He gave up his own business (designing & fitting kitchens) and chose driving a container truck because he knew it would give him long periods of inactivity that he could use constructively.
Good for him…he’s getting paid to wait in his lorry and using the time to develop various ideas.
098Joe:
He can do what he likes in his own time.
Still classed as other work as its a business, not a hobby as far as I’m aware
098Joe:
He can do what he likes in his own time.
apart from work when he is on a break !
so the difference between him parking up for the night and using his laptop to do a bit of web design, and me driving home from work and firing up my laptop to come onto tnet/uk for a bit and then maybe download/watch an educational film is ?
grousebeater:
so the difference between him parking up for the night and using his laptop to do a bit of web design, and me driving home from work and firing up my laptop to come onto tnet/uk for a bit and then maybe download/watch an educational film is ?
No difference at all! 
What the eye doesn’t see the heart doesn’t grieve over. 
Pete.
Bit of common sense required here ffs, good on him bet he’s not a fat stinking ■■■■■■■ like a lot of truck drivers either 
Really ? come on do we care what he does when hes sitting in his truck ! some of these rules and regulations are just plain nonsense introduced by European bureaucrats with no idea about life in the world most of us live. You can finish work drive 2 hours home and 2 hours back and class it as a nine hour rest period bureaucracy gone mad
grousebeater:
so the difference between him parking up for the night and using his laptop to do a bit of web design, and me driving home from work and firing up my laptop to come onto tnet/uk for a bit and then maybe download/watch an educational film is ?
Don’t be daft mate . He’s not opening his laptop up for a sly jodrell he is doing work as in OTHER WORK. Both you and I know he is doing no harm. I was just pointing out that if vosa did have radio 2 on while waiting to pull someone over he will have heard a man being introduced by his full name then he went on to name the Felixstowe haulier he works by day for who also will assume he is relaxing just watching a bit of Frankie not concentrating sorting out his clients daily problems . Vosa don’t see the difference between tapping a few keys on a laptop to digging a ditch its all other work.
Chesters 100% right but as i said earlier its madness the whole thing needs looking at and re jigging
chester1:
. Vosa don’t see the difference between tapping a few keys on a laptop to digging a ditch its all other work.
Unless off coarse its your own ditch, from which you are not generating an income, that I believe is the issue. Do what you like in your free time, but as soon as you start earning through it, its no longer free time, then its other work
bjd:
Chesters 100% right but as i said earlier its madness the whole thing needs looking at and re jigging
how would you word the regs then?
So if he was participating on Popmaster . . . .
Suedehead:
So if he was participating on Popmaster . . . .
I suppose if he were to win the Digi radio, then it would have been for gain, and probably classed as other work
Or maybe we’re being a bit silly
Break or rest time is all about being able to do what you wish to do without your employer dictating what that happens to be.
If, of your own free will, you choose to sit in a lay by all night polishing your diesel tank, socialising in the pub or making model trains there is nothing anybody can say or do about it.
Free time is free time. Use it as you choose to.
As long as you are fit for work next day, so what.
Dazzler:
Break or rest time is all about being able to do what you wish to do without your employer dictating what that happens to be.
If, of your own free will, you choose to sit in a lay by all night polishing your diesel tank, socialising in the pub or making model trains there is nothing anybody can say or do about it.
Free time is free time. Use it as you choose to.
As long as you are fit for work next day, so what.
this is what the regs say
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed.
stevieboy308:
Dazzler:
Break or rest time is all about being able to do what you wish to do without your employer dictating what that happens to be.
If, of your own free will, you choose to sit in a lay by all night polishing your diesel tank, socialising in the pub or making model trains there is nothing anybody can say or do about it.
Free time is free time. Use it as you choose to.
As long as you are fit for work next day, so what.this is what the regs say
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed.
The problem is that legislation would have been framed in an era when the only concept of self-employed was things like plumbing or painting and decorating. I doubt there’s much actual legal precedent and the statement is almost contradictory as it’s in itself instructing drivers what they can and can’t do.
Own Account Driver:
stevieboy308:
Dazzler:
Break or rest time is all about being able to do what you wish to do without your employer dictating what that happens to be.
If, of your own free will, you choose to sit in a lay by all night polishing your diesel tank, socialising in the pub or making model trains there is nothing anybody can say or do about it.
Free time is free time. Use it as you choose to.
As long as you are fit for work next day, so what.this is what the regs say
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed.
The problem is that legislation would have been framed in an era when the only concept of self-employed was things like plumbing or painting and decorating. I doubt there’s much actual legal precedent and the statement is almost contradictory as it’s in itself instructing drivers what they can and can’t do.
it doesn’t matter when it was wrote, it looks quite clear to me! and i don’t think it’s contradictory to say, do what you want except any work.
the point of the thread was if you’re going to do something on a night or weekend like this, don’t go shooting your mouth off about it!
098Joe:
He can do what he likes in his own time.
No he can’t. He’s not allowed to do any work of any type when he’s taking his daily rest whether its to do with driving or not.