jeremy vine needs to be stalked. professionally. sh/t him right up that would
Anyone hear that one about male ‘spreading’
Im unaware of any reason my legs spread wide apart other than my junk sits between my big legs.
Jeremy wasnt sympathetic to the male gender
chester1:
‘…Jeremy Vine…’
A male chicken …move on
Own Account Driver:
stevieboy308:
Dazzler:
Break or rest time is all about being able to do what you wish to do without your employer dictating what that happens to be.
If, of your own free will, you choose to sit in a lay by all night polishing your diesel tank, socialising in the pub or making model trains there is nothing anybody can say or do about it.
Free time is free time. Use it as you choose to.
As long as you are fit for work next day, so what.this is what the regs say
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed.
The problem is that legislation would have been framed in an era when the only concept of self-employed was things like plumbing or painting and decorating. I doubt there’s much actual legal precedent and the statement is almost contradictory as it’s in itself instructing drivers what they can and can’t do.
There is no get out, the words highlighted leave no room for misinterpretation, and I would suggest, in fact I’m telling you, that if the authorities had reason to investigate your circumstances, such as a serious accident, they would use any activity that’s falls under that description to prosecute you.
stevieboy308:
the point of the thread was if you’re going to do something on a night or weekend like this, don’t go shooting your mouth off about it!
Well that leaves no room for misinterpretation either, and I reckon your bang on 
The finger waggers on here do love their rules and regulations but don’t understand the law.
The statement is not clear at all. If they meant a driver cannot do any work, paid or otherwise, then that is what it would say.
In fact, it says far from that. If the bloke referred to in the OP put his business in the wife’s name and said he helped out for free when he had a spare minute or chance, it would be hard to prosecute.
Yes he is maybe foolish advertising about it on the radio but I think the chances of being prosecuted are zilch. Loads of owner drivers will do paperwork during rest periods
If he was doing 16 hours painting and decorating or van deliveries over the weekend then yes if there was an accident it would be used to strongly aid the prosecution’s case.
However, helping out in the family business, charity or voluntary work is all fine and I really do not think they will be interested in anyone doing a little ebay or car booting business or painting pictures/making models they then sell online at the weekend.
It is just the usual ‘it’s my licence’ finger-wagging drama queens on here that like to push an agenda that every driver should live in constant fear of draconian punishments, from the authorities, for breaching regulations they vastly exaggerate the scope of by occasionally citing some seemingly high-handed example which in reality will involve someone who was being pursued by the authorities for known total ■■■■-taking, in general, but was all they had evidence to prosecute them on.
Let me clear something up I know. 1st hand how vosa can be with other work bieng a nat and int CPC holder. I had one operator with a two truck licence and aplied for another operator who aplied for a license for 4 ( but only operating two) the first I had to declare 8 hrs p/w the others 24 hrs p/w ( on memory) and was initially refused as they wanted to know what I did for a living the remainder of the week no point in lying told them I drive part time it took 3 attempts to get It correct as they wanted to know every thing from what time I started and finish at each location and journey times between locations they even rejected one on the grounds I didn’t leave enough time to get between the two locations and have time for lunch I had to make sure in detail to them that I left time for daily and weekley rest periods . So to say that vosa do not take other work seriously 7think again. Remember if involved in a serious accident they will seize both your phone and your computer and will know exactly what you are doing on them wether it’s spending all night cracking one off on ■■■■ hub or running a business . And if any one picks up on my diction don’t bother as I have had a good nite out on the ■■■■■ with my sister!
eddie snax:
Suedehead:
So if he was participating on Popmaster . . . .I suppose if he were to win the Digi radio, then it would have been for gain, and probably classed as other work
Or maybe we’re being a bit silly
What if he won the One Year Out T Shirt ?
Would they investigate last year or predict his ‘Other Work’ pattern for next year.
bigbadjay:
Anyone hear that one about male ‘spreading’Im unaware of any reason my legs spread wide apart other than my junk sits between my big legs.
Jeremy wasnt sympathetic to the male gender
That was a load of B 0 1 1 0 X. Lol.
Like the majority of his discussions.
chester1:
Let me clear something up I know. 1st hand how vosa can be with other work bieng a nat and int CPC holder. I had one operator with a two truck licence and aplied for another operator who aplied for a license for 4 ( but only operating two) the first I had to declare 8 hrs p/w the others 24 hrs p/w ( on memory) and was initially refused as they wanted to know what I did for a living the remainder of the week no point in lying told them I drive part time it took 3 attempts to get It correct as they wanted to know every thing from what time I started and finish at each location and journey times between locations they even rejected one on the grounds I didn’t leave enough time to get between the two locations and have time for lunch I had to make sure in detail to them that I left time for daily and weekley rest periods . So to say that vosa do not take other work seriously 7think again. Remember if involved in a serious accident they will seize both your phone and your computer and will know exactly what you are doing on them wether it’s spending all night cracking one off on ■■■■ hub or running a business . And if any one picks up on my diction don’t bother as I have had a good nite out on the ■■■■■ with my sister!
I too hold a CPC and what you say is true but VOSA were cracking down on nominated transport managers in only name and ensuring their work diary is going to allow them to do the job adequately.
However, I’m not sure they would be equivalently interested in a driver who spends their Sunday morning selling secondhand tools at the local car boot.
Own Account Driver:
chester1:
Let me clear something up I know. 1st hand how vosa can be with other work bieng a nat and int CPC holder. I had one operator with a two truck licence and aplied for another operator who aplied for a license for 4 ( but only operating two) the first I had to declare 8 hrs p/w the others 24 hrs p/w ( on memory) and was initially refused as they wanted to know what I did for a living the remainder of the week no point in lying told them I drive part time it took 3 attempts to get It correct as they wanted to know every thing from what time I started and finish at each location and journey times between locations they even rejected one on the grounds I didn’t leave enough time to get between the two locations and have time for lunch I had to make sure in detail to them that I left time for daily and weekley rest periods . So to say that vosa do not take other work seriously 7think again. Remember if involved in a serious accident they will seize both your phone and your computer and will know exactly what you are doing on them wether it’s spending all night cracking one off on ■■■■ hub or running a business . And if any one picks up on my diction don’t bother as I have had a good nite out on the ■■■■■ with my sister!I too hold a CPC and what you say is true but VOSA were cracking down on nominated transport managers in only name and ensuring their work diary is going to allow them to do the job adequately.
However, I’m not sure they would be equivalently interested in a driver who spends their Sunday morning selling secondhand tools at the local car boot.
I wouldn’t bet My mortgage on it
I’m not a CPC holder, but I’ve been involved in transport long enough to know that the VOSA, or whatever is the name off the year 
seem to have got increasingly rigid with regard to the rules.
Own Account Driver:
The statement is not clear at all. If they meant a driver cannot do any work, paid or otherwise, then that is what it would say.
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Which is what it says,
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed
. whats not too understand 
Own Account Driver:
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In fact, it says far from that. If the bloke referred to in the OP put his business in the wife’s name and said he helped out for free when he had a spare minute or chance, it would be hard to prosecute.
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Its not about paid or otherwise, its about paid full stop. Hpw you get paid is irelavent, the fact that you made a financial gain makes it work within the scope off the drivers hours rules.
If the bloke referred to in the OP put his business in the wife’s name and said he helped out for free when he had a spare minute or chance, then possibly he’d have moved away from it being paid work, though I think it would be a grey area, but the OP was and my comments are about a driver carrying out other work, for which he will benefit financialy, and as such that work being regarded as other work and not rest
Own Account Driver:
The finger waggers on here do love their rules and regulations but don’t understand the law.
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I may not be a lawyer, but I understand the meaning off that piece off law.
As for finger wagging, I actually don’t care what others do, I’m making legitimate comments on the OP, and My understanding of the law