While the general feeling here for in cab cameras seems to be negative, in cases such as this I think it’s worthwhile to provide evidence against drivers who are so reckless.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47857774
With 12 points on his licence already there can’t be many firms who would have kept / employed him surely?
njl:
While the general feeling here for in cab cameras seems to be negative, in cases such as this I think it’s worthwhile to provide evidence against drivers who are so reckless.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47857774
With 12 points on his licence already there can’t be many firms who would have kept / employed him surely?
Worthwhile my arse,… for every knob end like him with a Class 1, there are 1000 good drivers, a 1000 average drivers and another 1000 half decent drivers, who all (or most) do the job properly.
So why should we all (in whatever category) suffer the injustice and humiliation of a camera pointing at us ?
You’ve implied it yourself, he’s unemployable. 
The camera…
In the cab pointed at the driver didn’t prevent the accident from occuring.
What would have saved the girls life was the driver being considered as unemployable after 8 points on his licence. I’m guessing he was agency and if that’s the case every agency for miles should have avoided him like the plague.
As usual with agencies, profit came before anything else.
I hope the magistrate who was taken in by his sob story and allowed him to continue to drive after getting 12 points can sleep easily at night …
yourhavingalarf:
The camera…In the cab pointed at the driver didn’t prevent the accident from occuring.
What would have saved the girls life was the driver being considered as unemployable after 8 points on his licence. I’m guessing he was agency and if that’s the case every agency for miles should have avoided him like the plague.
As usual with agencies, profit came before anything else.
Totally agree ^^ before I clicked on the link I had a feeling he’d be an EE and lo and behold I was right, who the hell is that desperate to give him work with his form.
An idiot was employed, and amazingly reverted immediately to type.
All an in cab camera would have shown was an idiot doing what an idiot does.
I am another one who refuses to be pigeon holed into the lowest category because pointy shoed twerps somehow between them allowed an imbecile to get behind the wheel of a lorry, what did they expect would happen, he would suddenly morph into a bloody lorry driver?
Jesus wept.
If anything this case suggests that driver-facing cameras don’t do what they’re supposed to, i.e. stop drivers from misbehaving while behind the wheel.
As well as the magistrate who let him keep his license, I’d love to hear from whoever decided to give him the job despite those 12 points, and whether they would do so again knowing it cost a young woman her life last time they put money over safety.
Juddian:
An idiot was employed, and amazingly reverted immediately to type.
All an in cab camera would have shown was an idiot doing what an idiot does.I am another one who refuses to be pigeon holed into the lowest category because pointy shoed twerps somehow between them allowed an imbecile to get behind the wheel of a lorry, what did they expect would happen, he would suddenly morph into a bloody lorry driver?
Jesus wept.
Not posted for a while but as usual “Juddian” has got it bang to rights!
The law needs changing
get 12 points get a driving ban.
Non of this im.so sorry need my licence for my job. If lose my job I lose my house etc.
Tough luck.
Should be enforced 12 points and baned no matter the circumstances or who you happen to be .
Ie Beckham or any footballer or famous person.
The guy is obviously an idiot but you have to partly blame the system for letting him continue driving.
And also the company for even taking him on. Surely they can’t be that desperate for a driver
robroy:
njl:
While the general feeling here for in cab cameras seems to be negative, in cases such as this I think it’s worthwhile to provide evidence against drivers who are so reckless.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47857774
With 12 points on his licence already there can’t be many firms who would have kept / employed him surely?
Worthwhile my arse,… for every knob end like him with a Class 1, there are 1000 good drivers, a 1000 average drivers and another 1000 half decent drivers, who all (or most) do the job properly.
So why should we all (in whatever category) suffer the injustice and humiliation of a camera pointing at us ?You’ve implied it yourself, he’s unemployable.
I wish I could have your positivity about this subject and how you come to that deduction? This guy was a grade one idiot but what about all the drivers that gaze at sat navs, phone screens and the ones that follow blindly because they are so close to the vehicle in front. Or maybe you class them as the half decent drivers?
Years ago I was like you and did everything to defend lorry drivers but from some of the horrendous driving I see on the UK roads now a days I am not so sure your figures add up.
jakethesnake:
robroy:
njl:
While the general feeling here for in cab cameras seems to be negative, in cases such as this I think it’s worthwhile to provide evidence against drivers who are so reckless.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47857774
With 12 points on his licence already there can’t be many firms who would have kept / employed him surely?
Worthwhile my arse,… for every knob end like him with a Class 1, there are 1000 good drivers, a 1000 average drivers and another 1000 half decent drivers, who all (or most) do the job properly.
So why should we all (in whatever category) suffer the injustice and humiliation of a camera pointing at us ?You’ve implied it yourself, he’s unemployable.
I wish I could have your positivity about this subject and how you come to that deduction? This guy was a grade one idiot but what about all the drivers that gaze at sat navs, phone screens and the ones that follow blindly because they are so close to the vehicle in front. Or maybe you class them as the half decent drivers?
Years ago I was like you and did everything to defend lorry drivers but from some of the horrendous driving I see on the UK roads now a days I am not so sure your figures add up.
I’m getting a strong sense of deja vu here. 
That’s because the ‘horrendous driving’ stands out more, it stands to reason.
If a driver drives properly he’s never noticed.
Yep…deffo said this before to you.
Oh yeh, why tf would I class those that sat nav gaze and tailgate as ‘half decent drivers’.
This is the point now where you deliberately cherry pick at my post again, and choose to, or appear to misunderstand it, …go ahead.
I’m getting a strong sense of deja vu here.
That’s because the ‘horrendous driving’ stands out more, it stands to reason.
If a driver drives properly he’s never noticed.
Yep…deffo said this before to you.
Oh yeh, why tf would I class those that sat nav gaze and tailgate as ‘half decent drivers’.
This is the point now where you deliberately cherry pick at my post again, and choose to, or appear to misunderstand it, …go ahead.
Nope, I understand what you say I just don’t understand how you come to the conclusion that most drivers are good and believe you me it ain’t just me that thinks like that.
I suppose being a lorry drivers forum may have something to do with it. 
No Seat Belt, and mention was made of “Speed” here?
He’s on the downhill stretch coming up to where the old tollbooths used to be - yes?
Grinning, as if he’s listening to a wise-crack on the broadcast, not necessarily watching it, but distracted nonetheless.
The bottom line though - is that he’s a careless driver who has ended up killing someone.
If he’d pleaded guilty to “causing death by careless driving” - he would have probably got 18 months to three years.
“No Sympathy” then.
as others have said the camera didn’t prevent a death, but surely getting caught twice and having 12 points should have rang alarm bells with any employer not to allow this man behind the wheel of a truck, not an in cab camera that just gave evidence after the event, but people were convicted for this type of thing before in cab cameras, the evidence would have been on the phone.
I was also under the impression that if you got caught using a hand held phone while driving an HGV you got to have a chat with the TC and a ban
robroy:
njl:
While the general feeling here for in cab cameras seems to be negative, in cases such as this I think it’s worthwhile to provide evidence against drivers who are so reckless.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-47857774
With 12 points on his licence already there can’t be many firms who would have kept / employed him surely?
Worthwhile my arse,… for every knob end like him with a Class 1, there are 1000 good drivers, a 1000 average drivers and another 1000 half decent drivers, who all (or most) do the job properly.
So why should we all (in whatever category) suffer the injustice and humiliation of a camera pointing at us ?You’ve implied it yourself, he’s unemployable.
I’m not sure if I fall into average or half decent
or ■■■■■ but I did get my license from the back of a cornflakes packet.
I wonder if this firm traded the do not employ drivers who have less than x points, are under y age and have z number of days driving for installing in cab cameras and employing anyone with a pulse, in the negotiations with the insurance companies
Poor bloody woman killed by a git that shouldn’t have been on the road with a camera that made no difference whatsoever. Driving an hgv, or anything else for that matter with 12 points on a licence that he should never have had, for a company/agency that should never have employed him, after an imbecile of a magistrate/judge allowed him to keep a licence that he clearly didn’t have enough sense of responsibility to hold. I don’t suppose I’ll win any mates when I say that there ought to be an upper limit, maybe 6, not 12 to the amount of points you can have before losing your licence, and not just your vocational one. Those of us that earn/earn’t their living with their licence have to understand that we’ve got a lot to lose if we do the wrong thing.
This is the second fatal crash involving drivers having in cab cameras the other being the one on the A34 which shows that they make no difference if the driver is a ■■■■ wit, perhaps a better place for the cameras might be in agency offices to record dimwit agencies giving jobs to drivers who clearly shouldn’t be on the road. Ten years ago I did a year on the agencies in Rugby, one agency asked for 3 references, I asked and how do the EE’s give 3 checkable references a stony silence followed by “Well perhaps if you could just get your last employer to give us a ring and that should be ok”. It’s about time agencies were tightened up and forced to accept some of the blame when placing people who are clearly not fit to drive with companies, anyone with 12 points should not be driving.
Perhaps you could even suggest the driver-facing camera gave the employer a false sense of security over employing someone with form like that.
‘sure, he’s got multiple convictions for using a phone whilst driving, but we’ve got driver-facing cameras, he won’t do it while driving for us!’
Makes you think doesn’t it… I’m someone who listens to music through my headphones. I have playlists set up so I don’t need to touch my phone. I’ve also had youtube going before (not for the video but for the sound). I’ve always justified it by it being no better or worst than listening to the radio and by saying deaf people can drive.
The camera did not stop the lady being killed. But it did help to give a picture of how/why she died. I’d not want one in the cab if I were driving. Being totally honest because it would make me feel uncomfortable. I do stuff all the time I wouldn’t want to justify. I use my vape. If it’s a clear road on cruise for a long time I will sometimes have one of my feet up to relax. I grab my water bottle to have a drink. When waiting in traffic I might have a quick look at my phone. I pick up and look at the route map so I don’t end up going the wrong way if I feel it’s safe (I also pull over if I don’t think it is). I rarely on cruise will have both hands on the wheel - one will be on the wheel and the other relaxing on the rest. I even sometimes mess around with the tacho to see how much more driving time I have.
So if I had a camera I’d either still do that (and risk problems and feel like I was being spied on) - or I’d not do any of that and be much more uncomfortable and not be able to focus on the job at hand so much. Some of it I know is wrong - but I do it anyway. I think you are either an angel or a lier if you truly don’t think you ever do things in a lorry which you know are not 100% right.
They aren’t totally stupid these lot though are they?
It’s no accident that the phone is on it’s side hidden away in the dash binnacle (from sight of the camera), and a completely plausible reason for looking/glancing at the clocks rolls off the tongue…
The judge herself says she was ’ sure ’ he was watching TV, yet cannot actually prove it.
I see morons every day in cars & wagons watching TV on their phones (and even more texting). It’s never going to improve, people are simply addicted to their phones.