Written to my…
Local MP over this.
Such a needless waste of someones life.
jakethesnake:
I’m getting a strong sense of deja vu here.That’s because the ‘horrendous driving’ stands out more, it stands to reason.
If a driver drives properly he’s never noticed.
Yep…deffo said this before to you.Oh yeh, why tf would I class those that sat nav gaze and tailgate as ‘half decent drivers’.
This is the point now where you deliberately cherry pick at my post again, and choose to, or appear to misunderstand it, …go ahead.
Nope, I understand what you say I just don’t understand how you come to the conclusion that most drivers are good and believe you me it ain’t just me that thinks like that.
I suppose being a lorry drivers forum may have something to do with it.
I’ll try and clarify my point for you then once again…, see if you can digest it this time instead of blindly and automatically using every post I make on this type of subject (as well as every ■■■■ elses 
) as a vehicle to hit home your everlasting agenda to preach the word that EVERY truck driver on the road is ■■■■ useless.
Here goes…
The fact that these type of tragic events are thankfully and relatively rare proves the point, and like this one there is always a high level of publicity on it…and rightly so
It’s a bit like plane crashes, they are so rare that when one does occur, they are worldwide international front page news, but no doubt there is a qualified pilot out there (possiblly called Jake) on an aeronautical forum telling everybody that all pilots today are totally crap.
For the record, throw away the key for this prick, with no handouts to his family, and if and when he does get out, deport him back to his own country.
Everyone on this thread is quite rightly condemning the driver for killing someone and most are saying the in cab camera made no difference and shouldn’t be used as an example for universal fitment of them.
Now imagine the same incident where there wasn’t a driver facing camera.
You’d all be complaining that his sentence of a suspended prison sentence for a lesser offence (due to lack of evidence) was way too lenient and he should have had the book thrown at him.
No the camera didn’t prevent him acting in such a dangerous way, but it does at least mean justice is able to be served (if there is such a thing as justice for losing a loved one), and it does strike me as quite a serious sentence, it’s not often we see such a long sentence for death by dangerous driving. This is no doubt sent as a warning to others, showing him up as an example.
The more these incidents occur and camera avidence is used to convict and harsh sentences are dished out then the more drivers will become more aware of their conduct and the chances of getting caught on camera,which in turn should lead to better driver conduct compliance, and thus safer roads.
Yes I’m well aware there’s plenty of drivers who act according to their professional driver status and don’t need monitoring, but you’re working in an industry that’s dumbing down to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to get bums on seats as it can’t get its own house in order with decent T & C’s.
You can ■■■■■ and moan all you like, walk out of jobs, none of it will make any difference, universal standard driver facing camera fitment in commercial vehicles is coming and probably quite soon. I believe it’s already standard in buses, trucks will be next.
Sorry to say but get used to it or start thinking of your next career move!
Tgtrucker:
Everyone on this thread is quite rightly condemning the driver for killing someone and most are saying the in cab camera made no difference and shouldn’t be used as an example for universal fitment of them.Now imagine the same incident where there wasn’t a driver facing camera.
You’d all be complaining that his sentence of a suspended prison sentence for a lesser offence (due to lack of evidence) was way too lenient and he should have had the book thrown at him.
No the camera didn’t prevent him acting in such a dangerous way, but it does at least mean justice is able to be served (if there is such a thing as justice for losing a loved one), and it does strike me as quite a serious sentence, it’s not often we see such a long sentence for death by dangerous driving. This is no doubt sent as a warning to others, showing him up as an example.The more these incidents occur and camera avidence is used to convict and harsh sentences are dished out then the more drivers will become more aware of their conduct and the chances of getting caught on camera,which in turn should lead to better driver conduct compliance, and thus safer roads.
Yes I’m well aware there’s plenty of drivers who act according to their professional driver status and don’t need monitoring, but you’re working in an industry that’s dumbing down to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to get bums on seats as it can’t get its own house in order with decent T & C’s.
You can ■■■■■ and moan all you like, walk out of jobs, none of it will make any difference, universal standard driver facing camera fitment in commercial vehicles is coming and probably quite soon. I believe it’s already standard in buses, trucks will be next.Sorry to say but get used to it or start thinking of your next career move!
Yeh, but only if drivers have the same attitude and opinions as yours, and believe and readily accept all the official b/s fed to us.
So there has been what?.. 1 maybe 2 major high profile incidents in last 12 months, by ■■■■ poor pond life ‘‘drivers’’, so the likes of me now have to suffer all this injustice because of it by the powers that be treating everybody the same…yep brilliant idea mate.
Same old same old…If we could all just stand together instead of all bending over. .
Same old same old…If we could all just stand together instead of all bending over. . quote…
that’s just it though,the majority are standing together…
it’s just a shame they are all bending over at the same time. 
m.a.n rules:
Same old same old…If we could all just stand together instead of all bending over. . quote…that’s just it though,the majority are standing together…
it’s just a shame they are all bending over at the same time.
Well put…but unfortunately true. 
robroy:
Yeh, but only if drivers have the same attitude and opinions as yours, and believe and readily accept all the official b/s fed to us.
So there has been what?.. 1 maybe 2 major high profile incidents in last 12 months, by ■■■■ poor pond life ‘‘drivers’’, so the likes of me now have to suffer all this injustice because of it by the powers that be treating everybody the same…yep brilliant idea mate.Same old same old…If we could all just stand together instead of all bending over. .
Man drives truck whilst watching telly on his phone. Driver not paying attention kills someone. Driver facing cam provides conclusive evidence and he gets deserved long sentence.
Pray do tell, where is the official b/s in this situation?
Now if by my attitude you mean I’m happy for the use of any source of evidence to convict a person who drives in an irresponsible and dangerous manner resulting in the death of someone then yeah, I hold my hands up to having that belief, but I’m not sure how you figure that means I’m bending over and believing and readily accepting the official b/s.
So am I to assume that as we’re apparently in disagreement that you would be happy for truck drivers to get away with killing due to dangerous actions because it shows we’re all standing together and not bending over?
What exactly is this injustice you seem to think is being placed upon you?
You don’t have a driver facing cam and have made your view and anticipated action of walking if one was to be fitted to your truck quite clear, so what injustice are we discussing here? Help me out here, I’d like to understand your view. I take injustice very seriously just like you do, you know, like the injustice if a driver was to get away with killing someone because of a lack of evidence to prove his gross negligence, for example…
You know as well as I do that if you put 10 drivers in a room you’d get 18 different opinions, standing together is never going to happen, those days are long gone I’m afraid. I can remember taking unofficial group action 25 years ago with drivers against an unscrupulous boss. It worked and none of us lost a job because of it.
Could you do that these days? No. You’d all be sacked and replaced with an agency bun before the end of the day.
I’m not the one fitting driver facing cams, if I was faced with it happening I’d probably walk away, but I’m not driving any more so it’s not my problem, you are still driving and it’s going to be your problem at some point. It’s no good moaning about drivers bending over and wishing we’d all stick together, they’re coming and there’s sod all you can do about it. Accept this simple truth and plan for it now.
Tgtrucker:
robroy:
Yeh, but only if drivers have the same attitude and opinions as yours, and believe and readily accept all the official b/s fed to us.
So there has been what?.. 1 maybe 2 major high profile incidents in last 12 months, by ■■■■ poor pond life ‘‘drivers’’, so the likes of me now have to suffer all this injustice because of it by the powers that be treating everybody the same…yep brilliant idea mate.Same old same old…If we could all just stand together instead of all bending over. .
Man drives truck whilst watching telly on his phone. Driver not paying attention kills someone. Driver facing cam provides conclusive evidence and he gets deserved long sentence.
Pray do tell, where is the official b/s in this situation?Now if by my attitude you mean I’m happy for the use of any source of evidence to convict a person who drives in an irresponsible and dangerous manner resulting in the death of someone then yeah, I hold my hands up to having that belief, but I’m not sure how you figure that means I’m bending over and believing and readily accepting the official b/s.
So am I to assume that as we’re apparently in disagreement that you would be happy for truck drivers to get away with killing due to dangerous actions because it shows we’re all standing together and not bending over?
What exactly is this injustice you seem to think is being placed upon you?
You don’t have a driver facing cam and have made your view and anticipated action of walking if one was to be fitted to your truck quite clear, so what injustice are we discussing here? Help me out here, I’d like to understand your view. I take injustice very seriously just like you do, you know, like the injustice if a driver was to get away with killing someone because of a lack of evidence to prove his gross negligence, for example…You know as well as I do that if you put 10 drivers in a room you’d get 18 different opinions, standing together is never going to happen, those days are long gone I’m afraid. I can remember taking unofficial group action 25 years ago with drivers against an unscrupulous boss. It worked and none of us lost a job because of it.
Could you do that these days? No. You’d all be sacked and replaced with an agency bun before the end of the day.I’m not the one fitting driver facing cams, if I was faced with it happening I’d probably walk away, but I’m not driving any more so it’s not my problem, you are still driving and it’s going to be your problem at some point. It’s no good moaning about drivers bending over and wishing we’d all stick together, they’re coming and there’s sod all you can do about it. Accept this simple truth and plan for it now.
Well if you aint in the game no more you’ve nothing to bother your arse about have you.
When you were in the game, and one of your fellow not so pro truckers smuggled some dodgy H over, that went on to kill a few kids, would you be ok with say…
A weekly or daily cavity search in the Transport office, the rubber gloved finger(s) up the arse, the tube down the todger, because you’re happy with…quote;‘‘Any sort of evidence to convict a person’’ …
No? Thought not.
Not even if you were fed some official b/s ? …such as.
‘‘It may be an injustice or imposition on your dignity, professional integrity, but it’s For your own good and will save lives’’
No? Thought not.
So why are you trying to justify ■■■■ cameras pointing at us more professional drivers to catch one or two f/whits who should not be let within 10 yards of a 44 tonne truck.
Hope that analogy explains my point. 
For the record it may come as a surprise that I actually do have to endure a camera pointing at me, but the type that only goes off (allegedlly) if you hit something or brake particularly hard, (or in my case when I pick up a trailer ) only because the spineless majority did not stand up against it…mine covered up btw.
Tgtrucker:
robroy:
Yeh, but only if drivers have the same attitude and opinions as yours, and believe and readily accept all the official b/s fed to us.
So there has been what?.. 1 maybe 2 major high profile incidents in last 12 months, by ■■■■ poor pond life ‘‘drivers’’, so the likes of me now have to suffer all this injustice because of it by the powers that be treating everybody the same…yep brilliant idea mate.Same old same old…If we could all just stand together instead of all bending over. .
Man drives truck whilst watching telly on his phone. Driver not paying attention kills someone. Driver facing cam provides conclusive evidence and he gets deserved long sentence.
Pray do tell, where is the official b/s in this situation?Now if by my attitude you mean I’m happy for the use of any source of evidence to convict a person who drives in an irresponsible and dangerous manner resulting in the death of someone then yeah, I hold my hands up to having that belief, but I’m not sure how you figure that means I’m bending over and believing and readily accepting the official b/s.
So am I to assume that as we’re apparently in disagreement that you would be happy for truck drivers to get away with killing due to dangerous actions because it shows we’re all standing together and not bending over?
What exactly is this injustice you seem to think is being placed upon you?
You don’t have a driver facing cam and have made your view and anticipated action of walking if one was to be fitted to your truck quite clear, so what injustice are we discussing here? Help me out here, I’d like to understand your view. I take injustice very seriously just like you do, you know, like the injustice if a driver was to get away with killing someone because of a lack of evidence to prove his gross negligence, for example…You know as well as I do that if you put 10 drivers in a room you’d get 18 different opinions, standing together is never going to happen, those days are long gone I’m afraid. I can remember taking unofficial group action 25 years ago with drivers against an unscrupulous boss. It worked and none of us lost a job because of it.
Could you do that these days? No. You’d all be sacked and replaced with an agency bun before the end of the day.I’m not the one fitting driver facing cams, if I was faced with it happening I’d probably walk away, but I’m not driving any more so it’s not my problem, you are still driving and it’s going to be your problem at some point. It’s no good moaning about drivers bending over and wishing we’d all stick together, they’re coming and there’s sod all you can do about it. Accept this simple truth and plan for it now.
Wrong.
The camera merely shows a driver in a seat who glances down at his dash binnacle. Hardly ’ conclusive ’
Tgtrucker:
The more these incidents occur and camera avidence is used to convict and harsh sentences are dished out then the more drivers will become more aware of their conduct and the chances of getting caught on camera,which in turn should lead to better driver conduct compliance, and thus safer roads.
There are plenty of motorists out there who text, view facebook, watch tv, read books, I even saw a video of a guy playing a racing game whilst driving. Would you happily accept driver facing cameras to be mandatory in all cars?
Would you accept cameras in your house because some people kill or assault their partners?
Would you accept them in your kids room because some people ■■■■■■■■ abuse their children?
Would you accept one pointing at you and your computer to moniter your browsing because some people use their computers for grooming, terrorist propoganda and other illegal purposes?
Because any justification you try to use in support of driver facing cameras is basically saying all of the above are ok with you too, ie to catch a few we must monitor everyone, even the innocent
The-Snowman:
Tgtrucker:
The more these incidents occur and camera avidence is used to convict and harsh sentences are dished out then the more drivers will become more aware of their conduct and the chances of getting caught on camera,which in turn should lead to better driver conduct compliance, and thus safer roads.There are plenty of motorists out there who text, view facebook, watch tv, read books, I even saw a video of a guy playing a racing game whilst driving. Would you happily accept driver facing cameras to be mandatory in all cars?
Would you accept cameras in your house because some people kill or assault their partners?
Would you accept them in your kids room because some people ■■■■■■■■ abuse their children?
Would you accept one pointing at you and your computer to moniter your browsing because some people use their computers for grooming, terrorist propoganda and other illegal purposes?
Because any justification you try to use in support of driver facing cameras is basically saying all of the above are ok with you too, ie to catch a few we must monitor everyone, even the innocent
^^^^^^^^^^
This.
robroy:
The-Snowman:
Tgtrucker:
The more these incidents occur and camera avidence is used to convict and harsh sentences are dished out then the more drivers will become more aware of their conduct and the chances of getting caught on camera,which in turn should lead to better driver conduct compliance, and thus safer roads.There are plenty of motorists out there who text, view facebook, watch tv, read books, I even saw a video of a guy playing a racing game whilst driving. Would you happily accept driver facing cameras to be mandatory in all cars?
Would you accept cameras in your house because some people kill or assault their partners?
Would you accept them in your kids room because some people ■■■■■■■■ abuse their children?
Would you accept one pointing at you and your computer to moniter your browsing because some people use their computers for grooming, terrorist propoganda and other illegal purposes?
Because any justification you try to use in support of driver facing cameras is basically saying all of the above are ok with you too, ie to catch a few we must monitor everyone, even the innocent^^^^^^^^^^
This.
This.
The thing is the root cause of the problem isn’t addressed by fitting cameras to anything.
If there is a plane crash, or even when something goes wrong in the manufacture of a plane part you have to do root cause analysis to work out what went wrong and why so you can prevent it happening again.
Why did this guy crash?
Because he wasn’t paying attention.
Because he as with many others don’t consider driving to be a skill, or something that demands 100% of your attention 100% of the time.
So a camera won’t fix that, training is the only thing that will fix the problem and the vetting of drivers.
How anyone thought it was a good idea to employ a driver with 12 points on his licence is beyond me.
If you dumb down an activity you will pay less attention to it.
Jeremy Clarkson got it right when he said fitting spikes in steering wheels rather than airbags would cut the accident rate.
^^^ to add to the above.
The fool now doing porridge, wasn’t not paying attention, he simply is just another one of bloody thousands out there who will never be a lorry driver as long as he has a hole in his arse.
You could train him till the cows come home, dumb the job down with more elfinsafety measures than you cold shake a stick at, and no doubt wherever this plank has worked he’s probably left a trail of catastrophe in his wake.
No matter what you do with people like that you cannot make them into something they are not, ie in this case a lorry driver.
We see prime examples like him every bloody day of the week, the only reason they get away without a major accident on a weekly basis is because other (proper) drivers have developed the knack of spotting them and take necessary action to prevent them doing their worse at the time.
When these twerps finally run out of other people’s accident avoidance skills, sadly there are as in this case usually innocent victims who pay the price.
In an ideal world he would have rammed a stationary massive bloody mobile crane up the arse, and put himself out of the gene pool permanently.
Yep.