The maximum fine for not having a DQC is £1000, but that doesn’t mean anyone other than the most persistent offenders ares going to be fined £1000.
The fixed penalty for not having a valid DQC (Driver has not completed initial CPC training) is £30 according to the fixed penalties list published by VOSA.
mark h:
ROG:
mark h:
it was for not having the current dcpc, i have been driving nearly 2 years aswell and have been stopped in the past and nothing was ever mentionedNOW I am surprised !!
You were lucky IMO as they should have given you a fine of up to £1000 via the magistrates court
just loooked at the vosa sheet and it says fixed penalty £30 no evidence of driver cpc or card issued
Does it??
No driver CPC held (by driver) when required
£1,000 fineDriver failing to carry driver CPC qualification card while driving
£1,000 fine
A fixed penalty may be offered
Yours was the top one and there is no option of a fixed penalty
ROG:
mark h:
ROG:
mark h:
it was for not having the current dcpc, i have been driving nearly 2 years aswell and have been stopped in the past and nothing was ever mentionedNOW I am surprised !!
You were lucky IMO as they should have given you a fine of up to £1000 via the magistrates court
just loooked at the vosa sheet and it says fixed penalty £30 no evidence of driver cpc or card issued
Does it??
No driver CPC held (by driver) when required
£1,000 fineDriver failing to carry driver CPC qualification card while driving
£1,000 fine
A fixed penalty may be offeredYours was the top one and there is no option of a fixed penalty
yer it does mate i will try an upload a pic of the sheet later on in the week to show you, got 28 days to pay it
I do not doubt you got a £30 penalty
My point is that you got away with the fine they should have given you for not having a dcpc
ROG:
mark h:
ROG:
mark h:
it was for not having the current dcpc, i have been driving nearly 2 years aswell and have been stopped in the past and nothing was ever mentionedNOW I am surprised !!
You were lucky IMO as they should have given you a fine of up to £1000 via the magistrates court
just loooked at the vosa sheet and it says fixed penalty £30 no evidence of driver cpc or card issued
Does it??
No driver CPC held (by driver) when required
£1,000 fineDriver failing to carry driver CPC qualification card while driving
£1,000 fine
A fixed penalty may be offeredYours was the top one and there is no option of a fixed penalty
What list did that quote come from ?
This is from the “Vehicle and Operator Services Agency Enforcement Sanctions Policy 2012”
Having said that it does say that follow up action will be dependant on the outcome of further enquiries.
UK driver £30 fixed penalty, none UK driver gets a verbal warning 
Tachograph, you would be correct if he was JUST driving without a valid DQC but he did not have a current dcpc
Does it seem odd to you that a driver can get a £30 fine for not having a dcpc and exactly the same for not carrying a DQC ?
ROG:
Tachograph, you would be correct if he was JUST driving without a valid DQC but he did not have a current dcpc
Have another look at the image I posted, the £30 fixed penalty is clearly for not having completed the initial CPC training.
DRIVING WITHOUT A VALID DRIVER CPC - INITIAL QUALIFICATION - - - Driver has not completed initial CPC training
ROG:
Does it seem odd to you that a driver can get a £30 fine for not having a dcpc and exactly the same for not carrying a DQC ?
I wasn’t looking for logic I was looking for an answer, which I found on page 73 of the “Vehicle and Operator Services Agency Enforcement Sanctions Policy 2012” 
I should perhaps make it clear that I’m not suggesting that people should ignore the DCPC ro DQC requirements regardless of how much of a racket I think they are.
I might give them a call later this week because it does not make sense that a driver who has a dcpc but fails to carry their DQC gets exactly the same penalty as a driver who has never passed a required initial dcpc and might have been driving since october 2009 without it
mark h:
there isnt a prohibition to stop you from driving you cant get banned or points but you will recieve a £30 fine if your stopped an they find out you dont have a cpci have been driving just on 2 years full time and have only just passed my cpc and am 24, i have been stopped in the past and nothing had been metioned of it either by police or vosa, i was stopped the week before last and it came to their light that i had not passed the driver cpc this was the friday, on the monday i passed the theory and had also booked the module 4 but after mis communication they wouldnt test me as i only had a tractor unit not the trailer so it was re booked for friday just gone were i took up the truck an trailer and passed, all sorted in a space of a week, as i say its entirely upto yourself if your employer doesnt ask for it get your foot inot the door but get it booked asap its a piece of cake to pass
As far as I can see you’re quite right about the £30 fixed penalty and no PG9, however it may not end there, though for your sake I hope it does.
VOSA could potentially look into this further and take further action against both you and your employer if they think it’s necessary.
Personally I would not recommend people take the regulations so lightly nor should your employer, people pay a lot of money for the license to drive HGVs and it would be a shame to see people setting out on a new career by being suspended from driving for a short while or having to pay potentially large fines.
ROG:
I might give them a call later this week because it does not make sense that a driver who has a dcpc but fails to carry their DQC gets exactly the same penalty as a driver who has never passed a required initial dcpc and might have been driving since october 2009 without it
DON’T!!! Remember what happened last time!
ROG:
I might give them a call later this week because it does not make sense that a driver who has a dcpc but fails to carry their DQC gets exactly the same penalty as a driver who has never passed a required initial dcpc and might have been driving since october 2009 without it
Having checked again I can see the penalty is not the same, according to VOSAs fixed penalties list not having completed the initial cpc could lead to follow up enquiries whilst merely not being able to show the DQC is just a fixed penalty with no follow up enquiries shown.
Having said that I don’t think you or anyone else should be encouraging VOSA to implement heavier penalties for the nonsense we call the driver CPC
the maoster:
ROG:
I might give them a call later this week because it does not make sense that a driver who has a dcpc but fails to carry their DQC gets exactly the same penalty as a driver who has never passed a required initial dcpc and might have been driving since october 2009 without itDON’T!!! Remember what happened last time!
Last time ?
What happened last time ?
As I suspected, the VOSA sanctions list is incorrect …
Peter.Cowan@vosa.gov.uk
13:20 (1 hour ago)
Dear Mr. ********,
Failing to produce evidence that training has taken place may attract a FP
penalty of £30. VOSA examiners are able to establish whether a DCPC has
been issued. This is a pure non-production offence.
If searches carried out by VOSA examiners reveal that no DCPC has been
issued (and therefore no valid training has been carried out) this is a
different matter and will not be dealt with via a fixed penalty. As my
original note indicates, this latter offence appears in past versions of
VOSA’s Enforcement Sanctions Policy as qualifying for a fixed penalty of
£30. That information is incorrect and the expected action will be a
consideration of prosecution and likely referral to the Traffic
Commissioner.
This typographical error was not replicated in the software that VOSA uses
to issue fixed penalty notices, so it would appear to us that no fixed
penalty notices could have been issued for this offence.
Regards
Peter Cowan
GFPD/Immobilisation
Sorry, am I missing Something? How can he have his full C licence and not be able to use it? Surly he must have done all of his theory, dcpc before it was first issued!
Or are newly passed supposed to know they have more work to do before they drive?
weeto:
Sorry, am I missing Something? How can he have his full C licence and not be able to use it? Surly he must have done all of his theory, dcpc before it was first issued!
Or are newly passed supposed to know they have more work to do before they drive?
You don’t have to do the initial CPC before taking the road test, therefore you can have an HGV licence but no DCPC qualification.
tachograph:
You don’t have to do the initial CPC before taking the road test, therefore you can have an HGV licence but no DCPC qualification.
Which is a big issue for those aged 18 to 21 because for anyone that age to drive a LGV over 7.5 tonnes they must have the initial dcpc by law to do so but neither the DSA or DVLA has a policy which checks for this so an 18 to 21 yeard old can get a LGV licence above C1 and think they are legal to drive it
ROG:
I could sit in on a course for nuclear physics so will that mean I know that subject after 7 hours? - who knows without being tested to see if I do…
Now that would be dangerous 
