A question for those that know drivers WTD well.
Here is an advert posted in the job section:
"We require a class 1 night trunk driver for an immediate start.
18.30-06.30 £580 per week
over 25 insurance stipulation. maximum 6 points.
easy job. couple up go to the hub in Lichfield. open the curtains. await unloading. park up for 3-4 hrs. reload close curtains (after securing the load) and return to base-Finished
Job Is based in Braintree
Call 01376585092 ask for Sharon"
Are these hours they are demanding you to work legal?
Aren’t night drivers supposed to be at work for 10 hours only, which is from the time they insert their digi card in , until the time they finish they shift, pull out their digi card out, and go home?
Advert’s legal. It doesn’t contravene any regulations on advertising- you can advertise anything as long as it’s truthful & doesn’t contravene any acts that relate to advertising.
as long as the work force have op’d out no problem plus the 12hr shift is indicating that you will be waiting or on BREAK for 3 to 4 hours which would bring your working hours to 8 pr day
nick2008:
as long as the work force have op’d out no problem plus the 12hr shift is indicating that you will be waiting or on BREAK for 3 to 4 hours which would bring your working hours to 8 pr day
Can the work force opt out of the 10 hours (max) night shift requirement?
Isn’t 10 hours the time you are at work, which is from the time you insert your digi card until the time when you end your shift and pull out your digi card?
If it’s like other palletrunners it will be a paid 11 hour shift that actually takes 12-15 according to how long you have to wait for the damned thing to be loaded before you leave, and you have to work upto getting parked up for 3-4 hours… Longest I ever got was 90 minutes, meaning I was running out of hours by thursday morning. I won’t be putting it on break/POA when I’m doing the curtains you see…
It’s POA when I’m parked up asleep, and Break when I’m in an eatery eating a meal.
Not much chance of either with a 90 minute tops before you get called in for the backload eh? “OOh you can’t stop on the way back to get something to eat!” “Ooh everyone else gets 3-4 hours sleep - not my fault if you only got 36 minutes, and you feel worse than when you started!”
nick2008:
as long as the work force have op’d out no problem plus the 12hr shift is indicating that you will be waiting or on BREAK for 3 to 4 hours which would bring your working hours to 8 pr day
Can the work force opt out of the 10 hours (max) night shift requirement?
Isn’t 10 hours the time you are at work, which is from the time you insert your digi card until the time when you end your shift and pull out your digi card?
the answers are:
1: yes
2: no, night time working other work and driving less poa’s and break
3: download GV262-03 its there in black and white
nick2008:
as long as the work force have op’d out no problem plus the 12hr shift is indicating that you will be waiting or on BREAK for 3 to 4 hours which would bring your working hours to 8 pr day
Can the work force opt out of the 10 hours (max) night shift requirement?
Isn’t 10 hours the time you are at work, which is from the time you insert your digi card until the time when you end your shift and pull out your digi card?
the answers are:
1: yes
2: no, night time working other work and driving less poa’s and break
3: download GV262-03 its there in black and white
What page is that exactly explained on?
I must be blind , can’t locate it.
Can the work force opt out of the 10 hours (max) night shift requirement?
Isn’t 10 hours the time you are at work, which is from the time you insert your digi card until the time when you end your shift and pull out your digi card?
Yes, the 10 hour working time limit can be opted out of if there’s a workforce agreement in place.
No, the 10 hours is not the time you are at work, if there is no opt out agreement in place you can legally do 10 hours working time in the 24 hour period from the start of the shift. (As has been said breaks and POA do not count as working time)
Like others have said there’s nothing illegal about the advert, and it sounds like a cushy number.
By the way when you say “Are these hours they are demanding you to work legal?” it sounds like you think a 12 hour shift is a lot, 12 hour shifts are common place in road transport and many other occupations.
“By the way when you say “Are these hours they are demanding you to work legal?” it sounds like you think a 12 hour shift is a lot, 12 hour shifts are common place in road transport and many other occupations.”
I was referring to night time work here.
I often work 15 hrs shifts but that’s day time, I wasn’t aware employers can push you, legally, to work more then 10 hours night time
so, if you can be at work (from the time you insert your digi card until the time you pull it out) for a max 15hrs on day shift, how many hours max can you be at work on a night shift then?
anon84679660:
I wasn’t aware employers can push you, legally, to work more then 10 hours night time
Firstly, they’re not. 12 hour shift but 3-4 hours on break = 8-9 hours work. Less than the legal maximum of 10.
But, as has already been said, it can be (and very often is) opted out of. If you agree to work at said companies who opt out you are agreeing to work more than 10 hour night shifts.
so, if you can be at work (from the time you insert your digi card until the time you pull it out)
Work starts before you insert your digi card in most cases. For example I have to go to the traffic office, get my delivery notes, get assigned a truck and trailer, locate the truck etc. I then fully check the truck over before I insert my card but even if I didn’t it’s usually a good 10 minutes before I get in my unit. Sometimes more depending on the queue in the office. I always show a manual entry to cover the time between my official start time and card insertion time.
anon84679660:
so, if you can be at work (from the time you insert your digi card until the time you pull it out) for a max 15hrs on day shift, how many hours max can you be at work on a night shift then?
To be honest when you insert or eject the driver card has very little to do with the length of the shift, as has been said most people not on a night out should be doing manual entries to cover time worked before or after the card was inserted/ejected.
Anyway, the answer to your question is that with an opt out agreement the night shift can be the same as a day shift, 9 hours daily rest within the period of 24 hours from start of the shift equals 13 hour maximum, which can be increased to 15 hour maximum twice between weekly rest periods, or more with split daily rest periods.
anon84679660:
I wasn’t aware employers can push you, legally, to work more then 10 hours night time
Firstly, they’re not. 12 hour shift but 3-4 hours on break = 8-9 hours work. Less than the legal maximum of 10.
Well I’m probably being a bit pedantic but I think most people would regard a shift as the time from the start to the end of the working day, that’s not necessarily working time but I think it is what most people would regard as the shift, and possibly less a 45 minute break would expect to be paid for.
If I wasn’t being paid for the three or four hours hanging about I wouldn’t be doing it a second time that’s for sure
I did some removals work a few years ago on the agency. Moving officers quarters from Colchester to Edinburgh. I put on my time shift the driving hours plus the time spent lugging oak furniture up and down stairs all day long. Got a phone call from the agency the following week querying my claim. “Oh, we only pay you for driving”!!
Suffice to say, I didn’t do any removals work again.
OK, now it is all clear to me, I won’t be doing night shifts at all.
I was having hard time convincing myself , maybe it would be worth doing 10hrs night shift and then go home, but since as you Tachograph say, there is no difference between day and night shifts, i how many hours you might get told to be on duty, then it is very clear to me , night shifts are not for me.
Hell when reading through these posts and trying to figure who is right and who is wrong I am well pleased to be driving the EASY CHAIR a Philadelphian lawyer would be hard pushed to say he was completely legal. Sorry lads but you are welcome to the job. Eddie.
Winseer:
If it’s like other palletrunners it will be a paid 11 hour shift that actually takes 12-15 according to how long you have to wait for the damned thing to be loaded before you leave, and you have to work upto getting parked up for 3-4 hours… Longest I ever got was 90 minutes, meaning I was running out of hours by thursday morning. I won’t be putting it on break/POA when I’m doing the curtains you see…
It’s POA when I’m parked up asleep, and Break when I’m in an eatery eating a meal.
Not much chance of either with a 90 minute tops before you get called in for the backload eh? “OOh you can’t stop on the way back to get something to eat!” “Ooh everyone else gets 3-4 hours sleep - not my fault if you only got 36 minutes, and you feel worse than when you started!”
Leeds Chris said:
If it is salaried pay then put it on break at every possible opportunity, the incentive is to get straight back after leaving the hub.
And if it is the hub which i believe it is, then the advert is quite misleading as it forgets to mention having to deal with the kunts in the office and yard marshalls.Talk and look at you like youre a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■.Oh and the whole site is a ■■■■■■■■ which is unfit for a pallet network operation.
I am shocked at how low the wages are over there
I did night trunk for Fed Ex out of Crick in 1989, Crick to Exeter, drop and hook and was paid 380 quid a week for 8 hours plus 1 hour overtime, if I stopped at Nuneaton to go through thr truck wash I got another hour overtime. this was 24 years ago so something must be terribly wrong
If a week on night trunk has only risen by 200 quid that’s shocking
I won’t be putting it on break/POA when I’m doing the curtains you see…
