tachograph:
Well I’m probably being a bit pedantic but I think most people would regard a shift as the time from the start to the end of the working day, that’s not necessarily working time but I think it is what most people would regard as the shift, and possibly less a 45 minute break would expect to be paid for.
If I wasn’t being paid for the three or four hours hanging about I wouldn’t be doing it a second time that’s for sure 
I know what you’re saying, 10 hours is 10 hours. Regulations wise though, this shift is legal, which is what the OP wanted to know.
anon84679660:
OK, now it is all clear to me, I won’t be doing night shifts at all.
I was having hard time convincing myself , maybe it would be worth doing 10hrs night shift and then go home, but since as you Tachograph say, there is no difference between day and night shifts, i how many hours you might get told to be on duty, then it is very clear to me , night shifts are not for me.
There are some companies that have shorter night shifts, for instance Halfords have an opt out agreement that only allow 12 hour shifts on nights and they don’t do POA, I’m sure there are companies that only do 8/10 hours on nights.
It’s a case of finding the right company
And there we have another perfect example of why proper training is required which should all be examination tested 
People really need to do some homework if they want to drive for a living …
If you take offence to this statement then you just Maybe one of the ignorant few that think its your right that you have past a driving test that allows you to be also ignorant of the regulations that being a driver is not just driving
tachograph:
anon84679660:
so, if you can be at work (from the time you insert your digi card until the time you pull it out) for a max 15hrs on day shift, how many hours max can you be at work on a night shift then?
To be honest when you insert or eject the driver card has very little to do with the length of the shift, as has been said most people not on a night out should be doing manual entries to cover time worked before or after the card was inserted/ejected.
Anyway, the answer to your question is that with an opt out agreement the night shift can be the same as a day shift, 9 hours daily rest within the period of 24 hours from start of the shift equals 13 hour maximum, which can be increased to 15 hour maximum twice between weekly rest periods, or more with split daily rest periods.
Since when does 9+13 equal 24?
And since when can you only have 2 reduced breaks in a week?
Obviously that should have been 11 hours daily rest which can be reduced to 9 hours three times between weekly rest periods.
daleyboy:
tachograph:
anon84679660:
so, if you can be at work (from the time you insert your digi card until the time you pull it out) for a max 15hrs on day shift, how many hours max can you be at work on a night shift then?
To be honest when you insert or eject the driver card has very little to do with the length of the shift, as has been said most people not on a night out should be doing manual entries to cover time worked before or after the card was inserted/ejected.
Anyway, the answer to your question is that with an opt out agreement the night shift can be the same as a day shift, 9 hours daily rest within the period of 24 hours from start of the shift equals 13 hour maximum, which can be increased to 15 hour maximum twice between weekly rest periods, or more with split daily rest periods.
Since when does 9+13 equal 24?
And since when can you only have 2 reduced breaks in a week?
Since Tachograph said so 
He regularly gives out wrong information which could result in drivers in trouble. I think tachograph may benefit from a dcpc course more than most
green456:
daleyboy:
tachograph:
anon84679660:
so, if you can be at work (from the time you insert your digi card until the time you pull it out) for a max 15hrs on day shift, how many hours max can you be at work on a night shift then?
To be honest when you insert or eject the driver card has very little to do with the length of the shift, as has been said most people not on a night out should be doing manual entries to cover time worked before or after the card was inserted/ejected.
Anyway, the answer to your question is that with an opt out agreement the night shift can be the same as a day shift, 9 hours daily rest within the period of 24 hours from start of the shift equals 13 hour maximum, which can be increased to 15 hour maximum twice between weekly rest periods, or more with split daily rest periods.
Since when does 9+13 equal 24?
And since when can you only have 2 reduced breaks in a week?
Since Tachograph said so
He regularly gives out wrong information which could result in drivers in trouble. I think tachograph may benefit from a dcpc course more than most
think he’s had a brain fart meltdown 
I know the woman in charge there and it will be exactly as stated on the advert. You’ll be hard pushed to find a better boss to work for
“park up for 3-4 hrs”
Would you normally be required in this case, to have your tacho on break for say 45 mins and the the remaining time on POA?
If so, short nap for 45 mins the, wake up change to “other work” for a few mins , then change to POA for the rest.
Not much sleep then.
…or, maybe, all on POA, so you could get paid for those 3-4 hours, or maybe you would be required to take 3-4 hours, so the company would’t have to pay you for those 3-4 hrs, but since it is paid 580 per week (a weekly wage - from what I understand), so I guess it doesn’t matter what you set you tacho on for those 3-4 hrs.
anon84679660:
“park up for 3-4 hrs”
Would you normally be required in this case, to have your tacho on break for say 45 mins and the the remaining time on POA?
If so, short nap for 45 mins the, wake up change to “other work” for a few mins , then change to POA for the rest.
Not much sleep then.
…or, maybe, all on POA, so you could get paid for those 3-4 hours, or maybe you would be required to take 3-4 hours, so the company would’t have to pay you for those 3-4 hrs, but since it is paid 580 per week (a weekly wage - from what I understand), so I guess it doesn’t matter what you set you tacho on for those 3-4 hrs.
You could leave the tachograph on break/rest for the 3-4 hours as long as the company pay for the time, no need to use POA.
If I had three to four hours rest during the shift I would expect to be paid for them, I think you’ll find most other drivers would also expect to be paid for the time you’ve got to hang around regardless of what mode the tachograph is on.
And using POA on digi tacho causes the timer to reset when you don’t want it too. His can end up causing you to take a further break to reset the timer or have an infringement on your card when in fact you have taken the required breaks. Stay clear of POA.
