Memo
All drivers please take note that it is a legal requirement for all drivers to log p.o.a,there are no exceptions,failing to do this is falsifying records
The info is to be logged on taco,isotrac,log sheet,all above should mirror each other,failing to do this will leave you open to a disciplinary.
If you do not understand eu laws and regs come and speak to me,this was part of the dcpc course so you should be fully aware of what’s required.
1.drivers over 48 hrs will have there hours managed for them
2.WTD IS NOT WORKING OVER 48HRS .ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THIS IS TO BE BOOKED AS P.O.A.
Is the information listed in item 2 correct, ta
dozy:
All drivers please take note that it is a legal requirement for all drivers to log p.o.a,there are no exceptions,failing to do this is falsifying records
Where does it state that ? - not in any legal stuff on this that I have ever seen - perhaps its only in dcpc periodic trainers law 
The only POA I ever record is when I get into work and there’s no truck or no run, when I eventually get in a truck I’ll record POA from when I started to the point of my card going in.
After that, anything that qualifies for POA also qualifies for break 
As Rog said… just stand up wind as you don’t want the smell and wet legs …
There is no legal requirement for you to use POA
Its your employers responsibility to monitor your hours
nick2008:
Its your employers responsibility to monitor your hours
No, actually it’s not!!!’
DAF95XF:
nick2008:
Its your employers responsibility to monitor your hoursNo, actually it’s not!!!’
Actually the responsibility falls on both parties ie driver and employer the driver should keep a record of hours worked and employer should also keep records of hours driver has worked.
But you show me an employer that will take the time to look at what a driver has done before planning their work, No chance.
dozy:
All drivers please take note that it is a legal requirement for all drivers to log p.o.a,there are no exceptions,failing to do this is falsifying records
The info is to be logged on taco,isotrac,log sheet,all above should mirror each other,failing to do this will leave you open to a disciplinary.
I’m guessing that what the memo means is that some people are not booking time at work, such as when they arrive at work and have to wait for a vehicle, if that’s the case it’s correct.
It can be read as if they’re saying you must book some POA but it can also be read as if to say that when you’re at work and waiting the time must be logged.
A driver is not expected to keep track of the average 48 hours bit because it is not reasonable
Responsibilities -
Driver keep accurate records and give them to employer
Employer to ensure driver does not go over average
Enforcement agencies - supposed to check employers records but the reality is …
As has been said, legally both employer and driver are obliged to see that the driver adheres to the law.
ROG:
dozy:
All drivers please take note that it is a legal requirement for all drivers to log p.o.a,there are no exceptions,failing to do this is falsifying recordsWhere does it state that ? - not in any legal stuff on this that I have ever seen - perhaps its only in dcpc periodic trainers law
It’s written by a manager rog not a trainer to be fair to them,it’s not something I’ve ever heard on the dcpc courses I’ve been,but the fact the bloke is quoting eu law,regulations as if he knows them and we should know them,see me if you don’t understand ,well has he seen a document somewhere we haven’t,I don’t know which is why I asked if what he’s saying is correct
waynedl:
The only POA I ever record is when I get into work and there’s no truck or no run, when I eventually get in a truck I’ll record POA from when I started to the point of my card going in.After that, anything that qualifies for POA also qualifies for break
But the work which is causing the issue ,the trucks are ready and waiting for you,you may get a gap in between runs but a hour ish most times,to do what there after which is bring 70/80 hrs down to a average of 48 hrs you need to be booking 4/5 hrs of poa per day,maybe possible on some work ,boxes,fridges etc,but shop deliveries 
,I don’t think it possible myself
If not actually working or driving then break can be used
The manager needs to clarify where he is getting his info
ROG:
If not actually working or driving then break can be usedThe manager needs to clarify where he is getting his info
Rog I get my truck first thing,I then go up and tip it,I then get my next tri and go and tip it,I then coll my next tri and go out and tip it,then I either coll a load or go back to yard( I sometimes do 3 runs,)other than my 1x45,2x45 I may have a hour waiting for a tri,but most times it’s in the gate,drop tri,get new one and gone,most days are just 1x45,2x45( other than that I don’t stop,it’s shop deliveries,you have to tip it yourself.
When you get back they ask you what poa you’ve booked,if none or a hour they want to know why,as I explain I’m not on work where I can book it,the only way I can get in what there after I put it on poa at shops,but the kinda defeats the point of them saying they want you to stay within WTD so to be legal
To me the only bit that’s makes sense is his statement we will manage your hours,I assume by that he will mix our work up,shops,fridges,tauts and put us on runs over a week that keeps us within it,or does he mean if you don’t put it on poa here there and everywhere then I’ll have you at work for 3/4 weeks then off unpaid for another
ROG:
If not actually working or driving then break can be usedThe manager needs to clarify where he is getting his info
He quotes eu law and legislation so I’m guessing that’s where he’s qetting his info from
dozy:
ROG:
If not actually working or driving then break can be usedThe manager needs to clarify where he is getting his info
Rog I get my truck first thing,I then go up and tip it,I then get my next tri and go and tip it,I then coll my next tri and go out and tip it,then I either coll a load or go back to yard( I sometimes do 3 runs,)other than my 1x45,2x45 I may have a hour waiting for a tri,but most times it’s in the gate,drop tri,get new one and gone,most days are just 1x45,2x45( other than that I don’t stop,it’s shop deliveries,you have to tip it yourself.
When you get back they ask you what poa you’ve booked,if none or a hour they want to know why,as I explain I’m not on work where I can book it,the only way I can get in what there after I put it on poa at shops,but the kinda defeats the point of them saying they want you to stay within WTD so to be legal
To me the only bit that’s makes sense is his statement we will manage your hours,I assume by that he will mix our work up,shops,fridges,tauts and put us on runs over a week that keeps us within it,or does he mean if you don’t put it on poa here there and everywhere then I’ll have you at work for 3/4 weeks then off unpaid for another
This in my experience.
Can’t understand why most of you guys take what information the people giving your dcpc as gospel. I’ve done 4 lots of it with each instructor giving there own interpretation of the rules an regulations most contradict each other in any grey area. Out of interest are there any qualifications needed to become a dcpc instructor of just be able to do a power point presentation
dozy:
ROG:
If not actually working or driving then break can be usedThe manager needs to clarify where he is getting his info
Rog I get my truck first thing,I then go up and tip it,I then get my next tri and go and tip it,I then coll my next tri and go out and tip it,then I either coll a load or go back to yard( I sometimes do 3 runs,)other than my 1x45,2x45 I may have a hour waiting for a tri,but most times it’s in the gate,drop tri,get new one and gone,most days are just 1x45,2x45( other than that I don’t stop,it’s shop deliveries,you have to tip it yourself.
When you get back they ask you what poa you’ve booked,if none or a hour they want to know why,as I explain I’m not on work where I can book it,the only way I can get in what there after I put it on poa at shops,but the kinda defeats the point of them saying they want you to stay within WTD so to be legal
To me the only bit that’s makes sense is his statement we will manage your hours,I assume by that he will mix our work up,shops,fridges,tauts and put us on runs over a week that keeps us within it,or does he mean if you don’t put it on poa here there and everywhere then I’ll have you at work for 3/4 weeks then off unpaid for another
Looks like you don’t get time to book any poa to me. Tell your boss that he need to go on a dcpc course to refresh his understanding of the rules. If you are not sat waiting then you are on other duties or rest.
waynedl:
dozy:
ROG:
If not actually working or driving then break can be usedThe manager needs to clarify where he is getting his info
Rog I get my truck first thing,I then go up and tip it,I then get my next tri and go and tip it,I then coll my next tri and go out and tip it,then I either coll a load or go back to yard( I sometimes do 3 runs,)other than my 1x45,2x45 I may have a hour waiting for a tri,but most times it’s in the gate,drop tri,get new one and gone,most days are just 1x45,2x45( other than that I don’t stop,it’s shop deliveries,you have to tip it yourself.
When you get back they ask you what poa you’ve booked,if none or a hour they want to know why,as I explain I’m not on work where I can book it,the only way I can get in what there after I put it on poa at shops,but the kinda defeats the point of them saying they want you to stay within WTD so to be legal
To me the only bit that’s makes sense is his statement we will manage your hours,I assume by that he will mix our work up,shops,fridges,tauts and put us on runs over a week that keeps us within it,or does he mean if you don’t put it on poa here there and everywhere then I’ll have you at work for 3/4 weeks then off unpaid for anotherThis in my experience.
Yep !
This is how I interpret it 
It’s averaged over 17 weeks.
48 x 17= 816 hours
if you do 'say 60 hours a week(12 a day - 1hour break) booked 55 hours p/week- other work & driving
55x17= 935 hours = 119 hours over WTD
So you get to go home for 2 weeks & 2 days for free ! No pay 
All depends if they pay you for POA or not, if you get paid, carry on booking it (if you are genuinely waiting around) keeps you within the WTD hours. If not-just do the 48 hours (allowing for breaks)
Our Masters who rule us (Our Bosses) love all this ‘BS’ because they can basically account for it every week-48 hours & that’s your lot. 
The Government & The EU love it, because it creates employment all over the EU, if they could control our hours, it would create 1 extra job for every 2 drivers (if they’re doing excessive hours)
What they really want is-for every working family, to live in a back to back, terraced 2 up 2 down, with shared outside facilities in squalid living conditions & the man of the house earning minimum wage but paying Maximum Tax & National Insurance, VAT & all the other Taxes that they can invent & buying our food from Aldi & Lidl (did the Germans Really Lose the War ?) or charity collection points.
It will be interesting to see if they ever get their act together (highly unlikely) & start prosecuting us for excessive hours.
Rant Over !
Let me stop everyone NOW! dozy you work for stobrats, it must be true 
they’re taking the P1S$, as they know no different 
and you suckers all believe it! Remember, I had six GREAT years correcting them of THEIR error of their ways BY THE VOSTAPO! 
YOUR tacho graph is YOURS! 
As is YOUR licence! AND your DCPC card is YOURS TOO! 
so if you’re the professional driver you claim to be, enlighten them with your middle finger and tell the foxtrot oscar!
What’s POA?