Driveroneuk:
Simon71:
My personal view is that these rates that Nolan’s are offering aren’t bad, I’ve seen worse.One of us has misunderstood this Simon. As I understand it that £300 is not a rate Nolans are offering a subbie, its the rate they are charging consignors to ship.
As one poster said in answer to my question, the subbie gets none of it.
My mistake, think I got the wrong end of the stick there, apologies 
No problem. I thought you might have. 
LRM:
big money out of spain next saturday, do you line a "brass plaquers " pocket by taking a load down for £900 to valencia which will pay the boats or run down empty, would that be cutting of your nose to spite your face…i dont know about the 70,s and 80,s, i was still in nappies…
fact is your either in it now or your not…
“wheres Rob k”, not really sure who he is, how many trucks does he run, must be a good few to be so influential…
let the old times roll…
I packed up doing continental work in 2004 on a fulltime basis, I did it when I considered the job was getting too expensive for the rates being paid, I did however do ad hoc loads up till 2006 for my own rates. I have the T-shirt.
I don’t want a load from Spain next Saturday or on any Saturday, if you load from The UK to Valencia for £900 thats a ■■■■ rate & always will be regardless of what “Maybe” is a good rate sitting there. If the rate was so good you could trundle down at 80ks & still earn your coin. Load 20t have a blowout or have problems getting tipped & your in the mire with your £900.
My Rob K thing was a joke just a bit of humour, which seems wasted on you like BigR250’s nappy crack 
Plenty on here are out of it now but its a public forum & many wise words from an old hand can be put to good use. I like the banter on here & I don’t doubt you know what your doing, tI do take humbridge to these rates your defending though.
I have 2 close friends who are brass plaquers, I undertake work for them both now & again but I tell them the rate. Thats how it should be in the real world, I did’nt bid the bus driver 20p on Saturday night to get Me home He told Me it was £2.
Sorry to ask a pehaps naive question but what is a “brass plaquer” please? I haven’t heard that expression before but I guessing that it is a phrase used for freight forwarders, could someone confirm if I am barking up the right tree this time 
Thanks
Was talking to a mate of my father in laws last night who sells fertiliser compost etc based in Buckinghamshire. He set up a bagging plant last year and has just picked up a contract to sell in holland. He was telling me he can load an artic with bagged fertiliser on pallets cheaper to holland than to Devon.
In Fairness… i think LRM has the situation weighed up about right… and its also certain there will never be any
sticking together of the British Hauliers to drive rates up…not in a hundred years.
Round trips are how most of the freight is calcualted and try to keep empty running to a minumum… but you will
always have some to do…thats how the job is.
The Good Old Days … they did exist… Thirty years ago … Paddock Wood to Krefeld … £982.00 and paid in
Fourteen days… Frozen… Now that was a proper rate.
Out of interest Neville what would be the average rate for that run now
The last I heard of the traffic… Which no longer goes from Paddock Wood…it was cut down to £450.00.
By the time you take in inflation that’s staggering.
I suppose us as consumers are to blame to some extent as we all want cheaper goods in our homes.
It would be interesting to compare the cost of the following in 1981 and 2011.
A new tractor unit.
A new trailer.
A litre of DERV
A driver’s pay
Road insurance
GIT insurance
Maintanence costs
peage rates
ferry rates
I would hazard a guess you’d need over £3,000 now to match that £982.
Same old problem, too many trucks- too little freight.
Thanks for your tempting offer Nolans but I think I might be “Movin On”
never once did i defend the rates, just said it how it is…
i dont know that many old days hauliers that are now living on “interest” from the pot of gold they made…
surely you could have a blow out trundelling down empty at 80ks…
“maybe” good rate, 3 loading today, 6k euro valencia/midlands (plus £900 down with empty plts)
old hand, load of baloney, a 21yr old with an internet conection could do the job…
humourous me …nah, too much of an old hand for that…
LRM:
never once did i defend the rates, just said it how it is…i dont know that many old days hauliers that are now living on “interest” from the pot of gold they made…
surely you could have a blow out trundelling down empty at 80ks…
“maybe” good rate, 3 loading today, 6k euro valencia/midlands (plus £900 down with empty plts)
old hand, load of baloney, a 21yr old with an internet conection could do the job…
humourous me …nah, too much of an old hand for that…
Eh?
LRM:
not a bad rate to be honest, would add £150 to the reload, most guys channel hopping are out empty anyway,allways do your sums on a round trip basis…
Lrm
Sounds like a defence to Me…
I don’t know that many old days hauliers, but I do know that they would be more likely to be living off a pot of interest than a current day haulier would.
I have had many blow outs but none whilst empty 
I was a young 21 year old hand once & managed without the internet or a mobile phone @ 21, but your right the jobs a piece of cake nowadays any mug can do it like you say LRM…
I keep what I get rate wise to myself, posting rates on here is’nt my thing. As long as your happy with what you get you crack on Fella & the best of British to you…
I suppose the Euro Pound thing makes 6k in euros a decent rate, I find the Euro has been artificially over valued for most of its time, if it was back to what it should be @ 1.40ish the rate would’nt look half as attractive IMHO.
I hope all them Spanish oranges & your Men get back safely for xmas, I’m not a fan of the Spanish orange myself, prefered the greek ones easier to peel.
I don’t think I’m neither an old nor new haulier, just somewhere inbetween but I think its over to the other forum to read the old boys waffling for a while for this Inbetweener.
“like you say, any mug can do it”
never once did i say or imply that anyone was a mug, im far too much off a gentleman for that… just like i never defended any rate, the rates are what they are, take em or leave em…
this weeks rates are common knowledge, if i got the an email offer im sure plenty more bigger and better hauliers the me did also… we have past plenty of “not the norm” trucks on the road this week, fair play to them, leaving there day jobs and earnig a fast buck at xmas.
thanks for the good wishes regarding being home for xmas, its very kind of you
merry xmas
Lrm…
LRM:
big money out of spain next saturday, do you line a "brass plaquers " pocket by taking a load down for £900 to valencia which will pay the boats or run down empty, would that be cutting of your nose to spite your face…let the old times roll…
Stobart Group has restarted its low-carbon, rail freight service between Valencia, in Spain, and Barking, in the UK. The seasonal rail service, which is operated by Europorte Channel, the international freight haulage subsidiary of Eurotunnel, will carry 30 chilled containers of fruit and vegetables from Spain to supermarkets and retailers in the UK.
This is the reason for the bad rates, as many tangerines and oranges as you can throw out of the pram.
A full train load in 50 hours
Wheel Nut:
LRM:
big money out of spain next saturday, do you line a "brass plaquers " pocket by taking a load down for £900 to valencia which will pay the boats or run down empty, would that be cutting of your nose to spite your face…let the old times roll…
Stobart Group has restarted its low-carbon, rail freight service between Valencia, in Spain, and Barking, in the UK. The seasonal rail service, which is operated by Europorte Channel, the international freight haulage subsidiary of Eurotunnel, will carry 30 chilled containers of fruit and vegetables from Spain to supermarkets and retailers in the UK.
This is the reason for the bad rates, as many tangerines and oranges as you can throw out of the pram.
A full train load in 50 hours
Yep, it’s a huge topic to go off on, but with the correct private and state investment, rail freight has the potential to “hurt” the road haulage sector.
dave_k:
Wheel Nut:
LRM:
big money out of spain next saturday, do you line a "brass plaquers " pocket by taking a load down for £900 to valencia which will pay the boats or run down empty, would that be cutting of your nose to spite your face…let the old times roll…
Stobart Group has restarted its low-carbon, rail freight service between Valencia, in Spain, and Barking, in the UK. The seasonal rail service, which is operated by Europorte Channel, the international freight haulage subsidiary of Eurotunnel, will carry 30 chilled containers of fruit and vegetables from Spain to supermarkets and retailers in the UK.
This is the reason for the bad rates, as many tangerines and oranges as you can throw out of the pram.
A full train load in 50 hours
Yep, it’s a huge topic to go off on, but with the correct private and state investment, rail freight has the potential to “hurt” the road haulage sector.
I’ve been trying to convince wheelnut concerning that fact for ages but he’ll never agree.But it’s not investment it’s more a case of subsidies and bias towards rail freight in the form of fuel taxation and road charging.In any other type of industry it would be taken to court as counter to free trade and competition.
Whilst we are off topic I’ve had a drivers induction for The Crossrail project today 
They told us that 5 million tons of spoil is to move out of London & to get approval 3 million is going by barge up to Essex for a nature reserve, we must not forget trains & barges do still have the edge with the green crew…
The Stobart rail thing makes good sense to me, it has however not got enough capacity as LRM is loading road trailers still which if I’m correct in thinking will take longer than the train with single drivers on board & cost more, but are going to be door to door quicker possibly??
Transfesa have been doing fruit from Spain into Paddock Wood for Donkey’s years, it obviously works, even though SNCF have been involved for part of the journey, seems the train driving Kermits are less militant than their ship driving comrades