Rob K required, come in Rob K…
I can see what your saying Harry and that’s how it seems to be in the real world. But realistically why should the haulier charge less because they have something else good. It’s like back loads you get less but the lorry costs no less to run going home.
If you go in to tescos at Thurrock which is about a mile from the rdc what you buy costs the same in a store 20 miles away. Anyway il take off the Rose tinted specs off now 
Harry Monk:
newmercman:
Now, in a non crazy mixed up way, anyone who hauls freight without making a profit on each job is carving the job up, simple as that, I couldn’t give a toss about how much the round trip rate works out too, because no matter how good it is, it would be even better if the outbound load paid decent money too and it would pay decent money if people didn’t run around for peanutsWell, in a way maybe, but as an exaggerated example if I had a job bringing widgets from Barcelona to London for £4,000 then it would be worth running down there empty for them. So if I could get £600 and a ferry to take a load down which was tipping in the next street and which only added four hours to the round trip time then that would be worth doing.
Yep, but what about a Spaniard (as we’re in Barcelona) doing the same in the other direction, it only serves to drive rates down, we’re a service, not a commodity, all the while people are prepared to run around for two balloons and a goldfish, rates will be dictated to us, rather than us charging what the job should cost 
People are round tripping to Southern Europe for less money than one way freight paid in the 80s, good business sense my arse 
It’s always been the same, in the 1980s you could get a good rate for taking a load to Italy (which was why we were all on it then), but you got peanuts coming back. Now, you can get a better rate for the import leg than the export leg. But still all you do is cover your costs and make a small margin, which was exactly as it was then.
I remember hauliers saying the same thing 20 years ago, i.e. “It was better 20 years ago” 
20 years back folks where taking waste paper to Italy for £600 to get them down for good paying groupage back, that covered your squirt ferries tolls & everything else. I did’nt start till the late 80’s going overseas but then Greece was the nearest you had to go to get fair outbound money, I can’t comment on earlier in the 80’s as many on here can.
I wholly disagree with this if your passing carry on, its ■■■■■■■■. Yes if you’ve a spare few cube left top your load up but ffs nailing yourself to the floor & then giving some brass plaquer a score for a ferry voucher because your passing wtf is that all about?
newmercman, sticks n stones…
FACT is, i bet that load was lifted and delivered, its supply and demand, just think how many spaniards are shippping out to benelux right now to load for home, someone will have gladly lifted that load…
the past is the past, the jobs changed…
all this reminising bout the good ole days is nonsense,
but hey, whadda i know… not a lot im told
newmercman, sticks n stones…
FACT is, i bet that load was lifted and delivered, its supply and demand, just think how many spaniards are shippping out to benelux right now to load for home, someone will have gladly lifted that load…
the past is the past, the jobs changed…
all this reminising bout the good ole days is nonsense,
but hey, whadda i know… not a lot im told
Alright…I heard you the first time 
LRM:
newmercman, sticks n stones…FACT is, i bet that load was lifted and delivered, its supply and demand, just think how many spaniards are shippping out to benelux right now to load for home, someone will have gladly lifted that load…
the past is the past, the jobs changed…
all this reminising bout the good ole days is nonsense,
but hey, whadda i know… not a lot im told
Nothing personal mate, should’ve put a smiley in there somewhere 
It is supply and demand, correct, but the boot should be on the other foot, we’re suppliers as much as the people who have the work, instead of them creating the demand for freight, we should be creating a demand for lorries to put it on, after all they can make/buy as much stuff as they want, without a lorry to move it about it’s completely worthless
Now talk of the good ol’ day’s is just nonsense, they never existed, not in this game anyway, people have been cutting rates since the 2nd wheel was carved out of stone
newmercman:
It is supply and demand, correct, but the boot should be on the other foot, we’re suppliers as much as the people who have the work, instead of them creating the demand for freight, we should be creating a demand for lorries to put it on, after all they can make/buy as much stuff as they want, without a lorry to move it about it’s completely worthless
Totally agree.
20+ years ago with at least half the trip done on cherry at what? 50p? a gallon or less helped the job along a bit.
I wonder how much of that £300 out filters down to Nolan’s O/D subbies?
Driveroneuk:
newmercman:
It is supply and demand, correct, but the boot should be on the other foot, we’re suppliers as much as the people who have the work, instead of them creating the demand for freight, we should be creating a demand for lorries to put it on, after all they can make/buy as much stuff as they want, without a lorry to move it about it’s completely worthlessTotally agree.
20+ years ago with at least half the trip done on cherry at what? 50p? a gallon or less helped the job along a bit.
I wonder how much of that £300 out filters down to Nolan’s O/D subbies?
Even the white diesel was only in the 30ppl range in the 80s, although that was for use on the M2/A2 only
Export rates will always be low so long as we import more than we export. Fact is this country manufactures very little, exports a very small percentage of that and then imports just about everything therefore most trucks/containers will leave these shores either empty or with a crap rate load.
The manufacture industry we had took decades to build up so dont expect things to change any time soon I reckon.
Driveroneuk:
newmercman:
It is supply and demand, correct, but the boot should be on the other foot, we’re suppliers as much as the people who have the work, instead of them creating the demand for freight, we should be creating a demand for lorries to put it on, after all they can make/buy as much stuff as they want, without a lorry to move it about it’s completely worthlessTotally agree.
20+ years ago with at least half the trip done on cherry at what? 50p? a gallon or less helped the job along a bit.
I wonder how much of that £300 out filters down to Nolan’s O/D subbies?
NONE …
Nolans need it all for their-selves, having chopped the rate for the stuff they are importing from France and Belgium. Not to Ireland but to Hertfordshire. 
Driveroneuk:
newmercman:
It is supply and demand, correct, but the boot should be on the other foot, we’re suppliers as much as the people who have the work, instead of them creating the demand for freight, we should be creating a demand for lorries to put it on, after all they can make/buy as much stuff as they want, without a lorry to move it about it’s completely worthlessTotally agree.
20+ years ago with at least half the trip done on cherry at what? 50p? a gallon or less helped the job along a bit.
I wonder how much of that £300 out filters down to Nolan’s O/D subbies?
I was trying to forget carrying 2800 litres around for free it kind of makes you look mad on an empty weighbridge nudging 20t empty
Yeah lets forget the old days its miles better now competing with the gherkin munchers & no ■■■■■■ having 5 minutes to spare, plus you can load for free & pay for £10 for your ferry. way to go haulier let the good times roll…
I’m with you Coop, I never left the country without a tank full of cherry, but I used it to make MORE money, as always in this game, others used it so they could run around for crap rates and still make a little bit of money
big money out of spain next saturday, do you line a "brass plaquers " pocket by taking a load down for £900 to valencia which will pay the boats or run down empty, would that be cutting of your nose to spite your face…
i dont know about the 70,s and 80,s, i was still in nappies…
fact is your either in it now or your not…
“wheres Rob k”, not really sure who he is, how many trucks does he run, must be a good few to be so influential…
let the old times roll…
I was just passing and accidentally opened this thread.
Ones mans bread and butter is another mans backload, so why do it for cost or less?
A ■■■■■■■■ haulier collecting a load in Doncaster and dropping it in Kent for pin money is taking a load away from a Doncaster haulier. It may be a ■■■■■■■■ disease, if you believe everything you read on these forums
LRM:
big money out of spain next saturday, do you line a "brass plaquers " pocket by taking a load down for £900 to valencia which will pay the boats or run down empty, would that be cutting of your nose to spite your face…
Around this time last year I was called a liar by a forum member when I (rather supidly) mentioned a rate I was offered by a friend who imports between 3 & 8 loads a month from eastern Spain, my friend was trying to talk me into putting 2 or 3 trucks on the road to help him cover his most importand freight. The rate I was offered was very good and all year round (not just during citrus season!!) but he didn’t have any export loads, I had a ring around and what I was offered (when I didn’t get a “sorry nothing going at the minute”) defied all reason.
Back in the mid to late 80’s a firm I was round tripping for was getting paid £1,100 for waste paper/plastics to Grenolers & skins to Vic, how times change eh??
I chose not to take up the offer as, despite the great return load rate, there simply wasn’t enough freight going out to be able to make any sense out of running trucks that far.
Ross.
LRM:
i dont know about the 70,s and 80,s, i was still in nappies…
Ooh er, nappies for 10 years!!
It’s the market that sets the rate most of the time. Yes we all know that hauliers/transport companies cut each others throats competing for business which drives the rates down. However there will probably become a time when available capacity declines due to businesses going bust etc with no-one to take up the slack, therefore it is a fair bet that rates may rise eventually.
My personal view is that these rates that Nolan’s are offering aren’t bad, I’ve seen worse. So many foreign trucks come to the UK and tip in the south east and then return to the continent empty it’s not surprising that rates to ship out are low.
Where I work, our Dover depot receives in 20 to 30 vehicles a week from our parent company tipping groupage for onward distribution throughout the UK and Ireland. These trucks come from France, Belgium, Holland and Germany and they always return empty. It’s more important to them to get the vehicles back to their depots rather than ponce about trying to find a backload for a couple of hundred quid. The parent company is a turns over 1.8bn euros and makes a reasonable profit so I would assume that they know what they are doing.
Regards, Simon
Simon71:
My personal view is that these rates that Nolan’s are offering aren’t bad, I’ve seen worse.
One of us has misunderstood this Simon. As I understand it that £300 is not a rate Nolans are offering a subbie, its the rate they are charging consignors to ship.
As one poster said in answer to my question, the subbie gets none of it.