rob22888:
Maybe chaps like yourself ■■■■ taking & tossing it off in the past are the reason many gaffers now install trackers & encourage planners to push…
+1
Yep. Ive heard “the old school” ■■■■■ and moan about trackers etc during the same conversations of them boasting about what they got up to in the old days
What actually is a ‘driver’ though? Don’t most Mom’s plan routes including collections and deliveries with school runs, shopping trips etc?
Most (not all) people with caravans and boats can also reverse a trailer and are used to driving larger outfits on the road.
Securing loads - takes ten minutes to figure out how to operate ratchets, similar time to figure how to tie dolly hitches in ropes.
Yep you have to be a better than average driver to safely drive trucks, but it is far from being the mystic art that some drivers seem to suggest it is. I much prefer the term vocational driver to professional driver, as that is a far more accurate description of the role. I have my HGV and PSV licenses, which gives me an advantage over others in the job market, but if you were looking at it purely from a monetary viewpoint, there are lots of jobs that pay more money than driving does and you get to sleep in your own bed every night too.
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Welcome to the real world 
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Some paid peanuts 30/40 years ago in the good olde days ,
some still pay peanuts now.
It is what it is, and was . ■■■■ it up buttercup.
Is this all we are worth ?
Yep - seems like it. 
Either accept it or dont. .. .I seen drivers and fitters/mechanics chasing the dollar over many years. Moving jobs for that extra 10p an hour or £3.00 /night out with the promise of a newer truck in 6 mths/12 mths time or maybe becoming a workshop supervisor in time if your a good boy and dont spend all your money on snap-on tools and repairing ■■■■-■■■ stained wheel bearings... if you want to hear a rant - dont get me started :imp: lol,, ..., ,, and by the way , we all nearly just missed that ferry, RIP those that didnt and couldn`t get off 
LIBERTY_GUY:
What actually is a ‘driver’ though? Don’t most Mom’s plan routes including collections and deliveries with school runs, shopping trips etc?Most (not all) people with caravans and boats can also reverse a trailer and are used to driving larger outfits on the road.
Securing loads - takes ten minutes to figure out how to operate ratchets, similar time to figure how to tie dolly hitches in ropes.
Yep you have to be a better than average driver to safely drive trucks, but it is far from being the mystic art that some drivers seem to suggest it is. I much prefer the term vocational driver to professional driver, as that is a far more accurate description of the role.
Why are we not getting a higher hourly rate? Because of attitudes like this ^^
When people like you are so determined to convince everyone what your doing is “not that special” then why do you think no one wants to offer a better wage?
And to come out with this stuff on a thread ABOUT poor wages,it really blows my mind
The-Snowman:
LIBERTY_GUY:
What actually is a ‘driver’ though? Don’t most Mom’s plan routes including collections and deliveries with school runs, shopping trips etc?Most (not all) people with caravans and boats can also reverse a trailer and are used to driving larger outfits on the road.
Securing loads - takes ten minutes to figure out how to operate ratchets, similar time to figure how to tie dolly hitches in ropes.
Yep you have to be a better than average driver to safely drive trucks, but it is far from being the mystic art that some drivers seem to suggest it is. I much prefer the term vocational driver to professional driver, as that is a far more accurate description of the role.
Why are we not getting a higher hourly rate? Because of attitudes like this ^^
When people like you are so determined to convince everyone what your doing is “not that special” then why do you think no one wants to offer a better wage?
And to come out with this stuff on a thread ABOUT poor wages,it really blows my mind
I’m just being a realist and pointing out that driving a truck doesn’t include special skill sets that some people delude themselves are unique and worthy of high wages.
The only people that ‘let the side down’ are those that accept the ridiculously low rates of pay out there. As to why anyone would want to spend thousands of their own money, get a license to earn no more than they would as a forklift driver or factory worker, will forever remain a mystery to the saner folks amongst us? 
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rob22888:
desypete:
18 years ago i was doing fridge work, my rate was £ 7.25 ph overtime after 8 hours at time and a half, saturday was time and half all day and sunday was double time, i was making over 700 quid a week that was just for fridge work, no nights out all night work, parked up most of the time sleeping waiting to get on a bayin those days if you had asda wigan for example you would be sent there very early so you could get your place in the que as it never used to open its gates unitl 6 or 7 am so you would be parked up at about midnight waiting to get in and most of the work was like that decent money and easy work
If your basic rate was £7.25ph god knows how much overtime & weekend working you were doing to take home 700 quid. Doesn’t sound particularly different to what drivers suffer these days.
Also, whats the business sense in queueing up outside a drop 6 hours before it opens? Surely you’d be in & out quicker if everyone just turned up on time and joined a moving queue. No wonder things aren’t like they were… Some drivers seem to expect to be paid a fortune for sleeping all day
there was none of this 48 hour working week bollox back then i was doing sat sun everyweek and doing between 15 12 hours on the weekends and 3 or 4 days in the week sunday was 14 50 ph sat was 10 85 an hour
after 8 hours on a week day you would be on 10.85 per hour
so yes there were long hours but if you wanted the money then thats what we did, as for the hanging around outside asda and places like that well thats how the job was as adsa didnt open till 7 am and if you ended up at the back of the que you would be there all day waiting to get in so it made no difference if you park up with hours to spare but able to crack on or be stuck there all day wating for hours and losing your day that way
not all jobs were like that and for me it was the best job, easiest money i ever made in the game, you can bet in other jobs you would be bounced around a lot.
timed deliveries is now the norm when years ago you had to be at a place before they closed or get there early enough to be first in
but these days its pilocks who went and got there cpc card and are happy to work for buttons that will always keep the wages low in the game, now we have the europeans coming over to make it even worse as now the ones on peanuts are still scared to lose there peanut paying job out of fear a euro will take there job
drving jobs in the future for british people will be a thing of the past anyone british will be in the minority just like the nhs such is the state of play that drivers get out of the system as its just not worth it to them anymore
but its a fortune to a polish guy as they earn 800 quid a month back in there own country’s so getting a huge wage increase for themselves by coming here and working for 2 grand a month
the pilocks who went and got there cpc card missed out and a real chance to get some real improvements for drivers, so they only have themselves to blame when they start to see the national minimum wage is catching up to what there being paid
The-Snowman:
rob22888:
Maybe chaps like yourself ■■■■ taking & tossing it off in the past are the reason many gaffers now install trackers & encourage planners to push…+1
Yep. Ive heard “the old school” ■■■■■ and moan about trackers etc during the same conversations of them boasting about what they got up to in the old days
funny enough i have just mentioned pilocks who have a cpc card are to blame for why the wages are low etc and i seen you show up again
desypete:
The-Snowman:
rob22888:
Maybe chaps like yourself ■■■■ taking & tossing it off in the past are the reason many gaffers now install trackers & encourage planners to push…+1
Yep. Ive heard “the old school” ■■■■■ and moan about trackers etc during the same conversations of them boasting about what they got up to in the old daysfunny enough i have just mentioned pilocks who have a cpc card are to blame for why the wages are low etc and i seen you show up again
You need help man. Your apoplectic rage at the CPC is gonna give you a heart attack
BTW,I was quoting Rob and replying to him. Ive reread it carefully and I see no where that I mentioned the CPC or indeed even mentioned you. Im not a pillock for getting a CPC. Im a realist who wanted to do the job so went and got one. I dont work for buttons. I make a rather healthy hourly wage thank you very much. More than enough for a nice house,car and lifestyle. Dont take it out on me because the best you can do is £8 even if you got a cpc
The only pillock I see is you, mr onemanstand ,who didnt get one,yet continues to have nothing better to do than post all sorts of rambling crap on an hgv forum like some sort of desperate loner with his face pressed up against the window. i asked you a few days ago what you were doing on your anti cpc stance rather than ■■■■■,whine and insult people on here and you didnt answer. So if your doing nothing else,dont blame people like me who went and got one. Ill also go ahead and assume your claiming benefits which all us workers are paying for then shall I? ■■■
BTW,pillock has two Ls and its SAW you show up,not seen. If your going to throw insults around,try not to leave yourself open to a ■■■■ take
Reason #549 why younger lads/lady’s don’t want to start a career in driving
Also, unfortunately , there are jobs out there that are paying crap wages. But that’s not just in HGV but in all jobs around the UK.
They set the price, you decide if you’re going to work for it or not.
I must laugh (again) at Snowman. Attempts to give desypete a spelling and grammar lesson, yet in the same post makes at least 20 errors of his own. Priceless, absolutely priceless… 
Olog Hai:
I must laugh (again) at Snowman. Attempts to give desypete a spelling and grammar lesson, yet in the same post makes at least 20 errors of his own. Priceless, absolutely priceless…
Which are?
And I wasnt attempting to give him a lesson. I dont bother about his grammer much. It didnt bother me till he started a personal attack on me. Maybe it was a low blow and ill advised without reading my own post over again first. But since it was aimed at desypete who picked a fight with the name calling,I dont think he needs you to fight his battles for him.
So for those of you who’ve been doing the job for so long that you seem to have forgotten the skills you need for it - that’s not a criticism, just that when you know it inside out you DO tend to forget as it becomes second nature - I do think it’s not a menial task that just anyone could do - there ARE a lot of skills involved in our job, (not sure if some people might have one route, same drop day in day out and can leave their brain at the gate, maybe that fits the above category?) and generally truckers are some of the best drivers on our roads-full-of-■■■■’eads, it’s quite sad that some of you do yourself (and the rest of us) a disservice by lumping truckers in with the sort of people who have no choice but to take a minimum wage job, and it does kind of make me wonder why some of you who really seem to hate your work don’t just go out and get another job.
Every time there is a cut in Staff by MOD they issue a HGV licence (cheap and easy “we have retrained you for civvy street”)
Rubbish. the MOD do not issue hgv licences at all. The DVLA issue the licences when the relevant, civilian equivalent test has been passed. A lot of those leaving because of cuts in the last 5 years, have got the basic car licence.
Retraining for civvy street is done via resettlememt, and everybody leaving is entitled to it. Most courses are covered by it not just lgv driving
ard81:
I earn more than that driving a rigid! Prior to starting my current job I was also offered a job driving artics and they would put me through my c+e but only wanted to pay £7.65 an hour, unsurprisingly I was that desperate to be driving artics.Have also noticed when looking for jobs previously that firms with shine new trucks generally pay less.
Have there not been changes to “company expenses” type regulations that mean a shiny new truck is entirely deductable for operating profits over gross revenues purposes BUT someone’s wages above minimum wage rate is NOT…
The solution to an up-and-coming company is obvious… Revenues are increasing, there’s more gross revenue to offset deductions against such as buying a new truck, sooo… If you can just get a flapjack waged driver behind the wheel? (I know… we’ll accept 9 points on licence, just got out of jail, licence still wet types…)
Remember - this is when revenues are increasing… When revenues are falling, you might not get paid for the work you’ve already done, let alone minimum wages. Who’s the last one to get paid when a firm goes bust?
The solution is to re-allow secondary picketing (not going to happen)
OR
change the tax system so that the entire wage (rather than the first £6.50 ONLY) of pallroll/person is deductable from the firm’s revenues for tax (Sensible ideas never occur to politicians)
OR
Scrap tax offsets outright, and reform the entire tax system from bottom up (A UKIP intent)
OR
Crime actions taken against Tory-voting middle-income business owners finally get them to vote for someone other than a party that supports shagging the workforce… 
Alas, it is this last option that might change things eventually.
A small business gets trashed by criminal action:-
You can’t bust anyone because there’s no police left to follow it up.
You can’t charge anyone, because the crooks are beyond the law - it’s against their human rights to charge their particular social group with any crime
Anyone fined for damage to your business won’t pay any fines, they’ll just go abroad.
Anyone working for the business caught damaging it - a way will be found to invalidate the insurance, so the company still takes the hit.
There will eventually be a high price to be paid by small businesses for the lack of police, proliferation of pilfering, idle intent, and of course feuding factions that can and will bring businesses to their knees in the years to come. No reverse in the current trend can be made until we at least get off this damned road we continue to persist in staying on for now. 
I love this forum! 
rob22888:
desypete:
18 years ago i was doing fridge work, my rate was £ 7.25 ph overtime after 8 hours at time and a half, saturday was time and half all day and sunday was double time, i was making over 700 quid a week that was just for fridge work, no nights out all night work, parked up most of the time sleeping waiting to get on a bayin those days if you had asda wigan for example you would be sent there very early so you could get your place in the que as it never used to open its gates unitl 6 or 7 am so you would be parked up at about midnight waiting to get in and most of the work was like that decent money and easy work
If your basic rate was £7.25ph god knows how much overtime & weekend working you were doing to take home 700 quid. Doesn’t sound particularly different to what drivers suffer these days.
Also, whats the business sense in queueing up outside a drop 6 hours before it opens? Surely you’d be in & out quicker if everyone just turned up on time and joined a moving queue. No wonder things aren’t like they were… Some drivers seem to expect to be paid a fortune for sleeping all day
Michael Douglas:
I love this forum!
So do I. Unfortunately a majority of the people who frequent it are roasters.
Well I was sat for 5 hours waiting to get tipped (wine) yesterday when my sister called me and said her friend has a new part time job, dog walking. I said “oh I would love to do that” and I was bowled over when my sister said “you should they are on £15 per hour”!! Hey and you don’t need a pack of cards in your wallet proving you can drive a truck and who you are, no government body like VOSA HOUNDING you (see what I did there ) and I got back to the yard realising I had just done a 15.5 hour spread over. I know most of the posters on here have “cushy jobs” and only drive brand new units and trailers with bosses who care for them so deeply that they never ever give them a run where they would have the slightest chance of breaking the law whether that be over your hours or defective vehicle or trailer. I have yet to find that dream job but I am now wondering if it is just easier to go for the dog walker type job? Who knows maybe I will eventually land that dream HGV job but I have to not let the daily reminders get me down like more foreigners than ever working for F**k all and agencies continually lying through there teeth to trap you into working a nightmare job so they can earn £5 an hour off you for doing nowt!
Ahh I must keep in mind that HGV and PSV work has never been so good and safe, we mustn’t forget how safe it is, why you never hear of drivers getting killed or injured these days (sarcasm alert) where as in the “old days” we got bumped off weekly and I am amazed I made it
The-Snowman:
Olog Hai:
I must laugh (again) at Snowman. Attempts to give desypete a spelling and grammar lesson, yet in the same post makes at least 20 errors of his own. Priceless, absolutely priceless…Which are?
And I wasnt attempting to give him a lesson. I dont bother about his grammer much. It didnt bother me till he started a personal attack on me. Maybe it was a low blow and ill advised without reading my own post over again first. But since it was aimed at desypete who picked a fight with the name calling,I dont think he needs you to fight his battles for him.
Just stop taking everything so seriously and chill the [zb] out. Really, I mean that.
Look closely and you’ll see that DESYPETE IS A WIND-UP MERCHANT.
was that – roasters or roosters ■■
I haven`t got my glasses
