Franglais:
JaxDemon:
Well of you live near a Samworth Brothers or any of their chains they own they are worth working for.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Sounds like a good offer for someone, maybe not me tho.
It`d take them too long to un-train me from my current bad habits before starting on the correct way of doing things.
Lol set in your ways.
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Well done you!
Just don’t park near me at night with that bloody reefer! 
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
To deny there is a driver shortage is a bit like trying to argue the world is flat… everyone knows it’s round and everyone in the haulage sector knows there is a genuine shortage of drivers.So how come drivers’ wages seem to be immune to the normal rules of the Law of Supply and Demand?
Drivers wages are suppressed by many factors in the Macro Economy.
One example would be - yes… there is plenty of anger and moaning… but what else they gonna do that pays them more?
robroy:
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
To deny there is a driver shortage is a bit like trying to argue the world is flat… everyone knows it’s round and everyone in the haulage sector knows there is a genuine shortage of drivers.So how come drivers’ wages seem to be immune to the normal rules of the Law of Supply and Demand?
And there lies the golden argument
which plainly signifies to anybody…(go on I will say it) … who is educated, and clearly, and unarguably refutes this fantasy theory of the famous ‘driver shortage’ the biggest con since The Hitler Diaries, started by our wonderful Agencies.
There is no doubt that the best employers are most attractive and as a result have more applicants for the positions they advertise.
Example:
Nestle, is famous as a great employer. The basic salary is one of the best, the conditions are reputedly second to none.
Someone who works there told me that they recently posted a Class 1 job on their website and received around 80 applicants. He also informed me that Nestle will only take applications online and do not advertise in the press etc.
But very few companies in the ‘Haulage’ sector (which Nestle is not) can even start to match their offering. Indeed, not every company can be the best employer.
Those of us in the general haulage sector have to live with the reality that the wages are generally similar and the conditions are to say the least very challenging.
Needless to say, the door is open - it’s not a prison sentence… you are free to leave. I have resisted insulting you… let’s see if you can be adult too?
Jingle Jon:
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
To deny there is a driver shortage is a bit like trying to argue the world is flat… everyone knows it’s round and everyone in the haulage sector knows there is a genuine shortage of drivers.So how come drivers’ wages seem to be immune to the normal rules of the Law of Supply and Demand?
Drivers wages are suppressed by many factors in the Macro Economy.
One example would be - yes… there is plenty of anger and moaning… but what else they gonna do that pays them more?
Is that the guff verbose version of: I don’t know. 
Or here’s a thought, maybe currently there is no shortage! 
Are all the trucks parked up & the shelves empty? 
You claim there is a shortage, but you’ve yet to produce a shred of evidence of this Mr Flatland.
Jingle Jon:
Drivers wages are suppressed by many factors in the Macro Economy.
They are at the level they are at, in many cases only slightly above NMW, because that wage proves sufficient to be able to recruit drivers, because there is enough supply (of drivers) to match demand. There isn’t a “shortage”, goods to not fail to be delivered because of want of a driver to deliver them. Train drivers wages rocketed a few years after privatisation because the first thing the TOCs did was to cut back on training as it was cheaper to poach drivers from other TOCs which after a short while led to a shortage of train drivers. The same is not happening in road transport.
I do not think there is a shortage of drivers but may be a shortage of skilled drivers
I do not think there is a shortage of drivers but may be a shortage of skilled drivers
Jingle Jon:
robroy:
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
To deny there is a driver shortage is a bit like trying to argue the world is flat… everyone knows it’s round and everyone in the haulage sector knows there is a genuine shortage of drivers.So how come drivers’ wages seem to be immune to the normal rules of the Law of Supply and Demand?
And there lies the golden argument
There is no doubt that the best employers are most attractive and as a result have more applicants for the positions they advertise.
Example:
Nestle, is famous as a great employer. The basic salary is one of the best, the conditions are reputedly second to none.Someone who works there told me that they recently posted a Class 1 job on their website and received around 80 applicants. He also informed me that Nestle will only take applications online and do not advertise in the press etc.
But very few companies in the ‘Haulage’ sector (which Nestle is not) can even start to match their offering. Indeed, not every company can be the best employer.
Those of us in the general haulage sector have to live with the reality that the wages are generally similar and the conditions are to say the least very challenging.
Needless to say, the door is open - it’s not a prison sentence… you are free to leave. I have resisted insulting you… let’s see if you can be adult too?
Own account operators have always been the most lucrative employment sector, and choice since time immemorial in the transport industry.
Comparing the likes of Nestle and a General haulage contractor is like comparing apples with oranges, in all aspects of the job, and especially salary.
I have afaik never stated on this thread, or any other for that matter, that I was looking to leave gen haul, nor considered it a captivity scenario, but made the point that I considered the ‘driver shortage’ a myth.
So why embed and quote my previous post, while answering a totally different question, and why do you have the urge to insult me at all, let alone resist it.
As for being an adult,.I do not think my maturity has ever been questioned on here …has it?
I do however, know that yours has recently, so maybe that is where the mix up occured.
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
Drivers wages are suppressed by many factors in the Macro Economy.They are at the level they are at, in many cases only slightly above NMW, because that wage proves sufficient to be able to recruit drivers, because there is enough supply (of drivers) to match demand. There isn’t a “shortage”, goods to not fail to be delivered because of want of a driver to deliver them. Train drivers wages rocketed a few years after privatisation because the first thing the TOCs did was to cut back on training as it was cheaper to poach drivers from other TOCs which after a short while led to a shortage of train drivers. The same is not happening in road transport.
So, if the wages are already low and often just above the NMW, and there is no driver shortage…
What would be the logic behind almost every haulage company and trade association along with MPs throughout the land conspiring to claim there is?
Jingle Jon:
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
Drivers wages are suppressed by many factors in the Macro Economy.They are at the level they are at, in many cases only slightly above NMW, because that wage proves sufficient to be able to recruit drivers, because there is enough supply (of drivers) to match demand. There isn’t a “shortage”, goods to not fail to be delivered because of want of a driver to deliver them. Train drivers wages rocketed a few years after privatisation because the first thing the TOCs did was to cut back on training as it was cheaper to poach drivers from other TOCs which after a short while led to a shortage of train drivers. The same is not happening in road transport.
So, if the wages are already low and often just above the NMW, and there is no driver shortage…
What would be the logic behind almost every haulage company and trade association along with MPs throughout the land conspiring to claim there is?
I think they’re more worried about a shortage if there’s no agreement for eu citizens to remain here after Brexit
robroy:
As for being an adult,.I do not think my maturity has ever been questioned on here …has it?
I do however, know that yours has recently, so maybe that is where the mix up occured.
Busy now… but the urge to insult would merely be in retaliation… like for like… bit like when you threatened me… then stated crying when I responded in a manner of bring it on. But let’s not do that all over again hey? I’m not sore 
Lot’s of companies cannot recruit drivers because in conjunction with the offered wage being low, they are crap companies to work for.
Unfortunately, the pricks with sharp haircuts and pointy shoes who run said companies cannot/will not grasp this reality and choose to believe that there must be a driver shortage.
You are right about one thing though Jingle Bell, Robroy was indeed crying when you squared up.
With laughter, along with the rest of us
Jingle Jon:
So, if the wages are already low and often just above the NMW, and there is no driver shortage…What would be the logic behind almost every haulage company and trade association along with MPs throughout the land conspiring to claim there is?
Self interest - To ensure there is a ready supply of drivers to fill positions without the firms having to lift a finger or up wages!
But I’m not sure what MP’s agreed there was one, as to my knowledge they dismissed the industry’s plea to step in and train up drivers for them.
OVLOV JAY:
I think they’re more worried about a shortage if there’s no agreement for eu citizens to remain here after Brexit
Yes, this, plus the fact that the haulage industry seems to think that the cost of training new drivers should be met by anyone other than themselves. If you look on the Indeed website, then even in the Midlands which is one of the busiest transport areas in the UK, a mediocre job will have had 20+ applicants. That doesn’t suggest a shortage to me.
OVLOV JAY:
Jingle Jon:
Harry Monk:
Jingle Jon:
Drivers wages are suppressed by many factors in the Macro Economy.They are at the level they are at, in many cases only slightly above NMW, because that wage proves sufficient to be able to recruit drivers, because there is enough supply (of drivers) to match demand. There isn’t a “shortage”, goods to not fail to be delivered because of want of a driver to deliver them. Train drivers wages rocketed a few years after privatisation because the first thing the TOCs did was to cut back on training as it was cheaper to poach drivers from other TOCs which after a short while led to a shortage of train drivers. The same is not happening in road transport.
So, if the wages are already low and often just above the NMW, and there is no driver shortage…
What would be the logic behind almost every haulage company and trade association along with MPs throughout the land conspiring to claim there is?
I think they’re more worried about a shortage if there’s no agreement for eu citizens to remain here after Brexit
Indeed and I did mention this much earlier in the thread.
Thing is, I work for companies that have a constant recruitment campaign running and are always desperate for drivers. Most of them will actually take on new drivers too.
Truth is tho… many people come into this job thinking it’s gonna be like watching stobbies on tv. Reality is p’d wet through, fighting with curtains in 70+ mph winds and ungrateful gits and idiot planners - working all hours and estranged from family… early death etc etc. Safer in the SAS…
Tis just one of the reasons why I paddle my own canoe.
Jingle Jon:
robroy:
As for being an adult,.I do not think my maturity has ever been questioned on here …has it?
I do however, know that yours has recently, so maybe that is where the mix up occured.Busy now… but the urge to insult would merely be in retaliation… like for like… bit like when you threatened me… then stated crying when I responded in a manner of bring it on. But let’s not do that all over again hey? I’m not sore
I’ll ignore the ‘crying’ bit and the ‘bring it on’ bs, as we are used to your sef ego massaging on here.
But don’t you ever accuse me of threatening anybody mate without relevant grounds !
I mean, what would the point of me trying to come across as some threatening internet warrior themed pseudo hard case on a ■■■■ internet forum , and making a complete twit of myself that no body could ever take seriously.
Oh hang on a minute, it has just occured to me I am asking the best qualified guy to answer that question.
They can not pay more in wages they only have a enough to pay for Euro six and all the add ons for transport for london ,x rail ,fors and all the other leaches skills card ,driver cpc,oh and earning have gone down in the case of construction because of the fall in payload,brexit might not help or maybe Trump 
robroy:
Jingle Jon:
robroy:
As for being an adult,.I do not think my maturity has ever been questioned on here …has it?
I do however, know that yours has recently, so maybe that is where the mix up occured.Busy now… but the urge to insult would merely be in retaliation… like for like… bit like when you threatened me… then stated crying when I responded in a manner of bring it on. But let’s not do that all over again hey? I’m not sore
I’ll ignore the ‘crying’ bit and the ‘bring it on’ bs, as we are used to your sef ego massaging on here.
But don’t you ever accuse me of threatening anybody mate without relevant grounds !
I mean, what would the point of me trying to come across as some threatening internet warrior themed pseudo hard case on a [zb] internet forum
Oh hang on a minute, it has just occured to me I am asking the best qualified guy to answer that question.
I realise your still smarting after I rejected your sudo threats… but If we could just move on dear… there are adults having a discussion.