Is the Transport industry racist?

maga:

muckles:

maga:
I was talking with my uncle and a few of his friends and we couldn’t come up with a reason why hgv driving is done by predominantly white males.

My uncles Indian and has a franchise in Citylink so runs a few vans/7.5t but has no interest in going up any further.

I cant think of any other sectors where its predominantly white males employed by a huge margin.

To turn this around a bit. Have you asked you Uncle why he doesn’t drive and run larger trucks?
Or have you asked people in the various communities you mix with if they have a Heavy goods licence?
If not what puts them off doing it?

my uncle reckons its not worth the hassle to add anything bigger, he’d rather add more vans to his fleet.

most his friends seem to be taxi drivers, i have no idea what they earn but maybe that suits their lifestyle better like mentioned above.

For those saying cost, for indians especially they are very rich. Most don’t believe in credit and wealth is measured by family, not by household. My uncle needed 100k upfront to buy into the franchise and he had it within the month.

So maybe getting a heavy goods licence isn’t seen as something worthwhile within the Indian community, especially if you can start your own business using family money and no doubt a bit of family help and advice at running certain types of business.

Winseer:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
I don’t think anyone actually knows what “racist” means anymore.

If a company like BsB (related in previous post) can “positively discriminate” to get so many percentage of ethnic minorities - then that to me is a profoundly racist recruitment policy! It means anyone white above the quota - will automatically get knocked back when applying - and the firm thinks it’s got around the law successfully (which of course it has!) by advertising for “anyone” - but just not taking anyone at the interview stage…

To put it simply ‘racist’ is what Hitler did in attacking different ethnic groups because they are different.It’s also what Tito did in forcing different ethnic groups to integrate by artificial methods.

Multi Culturalism means ‘celebrating’ the differences and maintaining them. :bulb:

Naw. If Hitler was merely being “Racist”, then he wouldn’t have persecuted white Europeans everywhere, including those from the same stock as the white German ancestory… Not the “Aryan” thing - that’s supposed to be a myth…
Hitler also persecuted Homosexuals, even those within his own high command - such as Ernst Roehm, who was shot on Hitler’s orders - once he found out he was batting for the other team… Ethnically, the Polish were very close indeed to the German race. They were the first ones to get invaded by force, rather than merely annexed - aided and abetted by Stalin’s Russia, whom of course Hitler later turned upon… They were not an “ethnic minority” either…

Walk down a German street today, and you’ll always see lots of Turks, and other mediteraaneans as opposed to what we would call “black” races as well. Does this mean that Modern Germany is “racist?” - No, it’s just the demographics of a mostly landlocked state in central Europe…

We don’t have proper “multiculturalism” in this country - because whilst we white Brits are supposed to make everything very inclusive towards ethnic minorities - the reverse doesn’t happen anywhere near as much as it should. Try dating a Muslim girl, opening an affordable restaurant, getting away with blatant lawbreaking, and of course getting a job that’s skewed against white Brits to apply for… :exclamation:

I think you’re missing the point concerning the difference between Racism as opposed to Multi Culturalism.In general as I’ve said that difference is basically that of ‘celebrating’ the ethnic differences and ‘maintaining’ them by way of segregation and/or national boders.As opposed to ‘attacking’ people ‘because’ of them.Under Hitler’s Germany that generally included the invasion and attacking of Slavic countries having not only regarded their Jewish populations as ‘untermenschen’ but also the Slavic ones.

By that logic like too many of the indigenous population here you’ve swallowed the Socialist PC ideology of imposing guilt on us for the crimes of Hitler’s lot.IE segregation,preferably in the way that nature intended by nation states and geographic distribution,is actually the right idea.Not integration which is what Tito tried and failed to do in the old Yugoslav federation with the inevitable horrific results in the long term.

IE racism has two forms that of attacking people because they are different instead of celebrating the ethnic differences between us.Or that of social engineering in an erroneous flawed attempt to deal with the former issue which is where we are heading now.IE integration isn’t the answer to racism it actually just breeds it.

As for the ‘other’ types of issues concerning ■■■■ society.In many cultures,including ours at that time,the idea of ‘practicing’ such perversions of human relationships was/is rightly considered as being considered as societally unacceptable just as ■■■■■■ is.The difference is that the Nazis took that to the extreme in actually attacking people because of how they were unfortunately born rather than just apply the law on a reasonable basis to enforce the non practice of such acts. :bulb:

IE there was nothing really wrong with British society as it stood when it took on and defeated the Nazis.Under ‘that’ society there would have been nothing considered wrong in the idea of employing the indigenous workforce as a priority over importing an immigrant one especially in the case of there being more applicants than job vacancies.While unlike under Hitler’s Germany those born with a perverted attraction for their own ■■■ would have been subject to reasonable,proportional,penalties under the law,for ‘acting’ on them.Not killed ‘because’ of how they were unfortunately born.Everything since then has been PC socialist dogma dressed up under the disguise of applying guilt on the Brits for the crimes of the Nazis. :unamused: :frowning:

As for there being no difference between the ethnic ‘Aryan’ populations and the Slavic ones if that’s right then the English and German language would both be very different than they both are to start with.

I have not read the posts at all
Is the industry racist = I believe it is, at the moment against polish, ukranes

Why do white people drive trucks = because we are idiots = low pay, no respect, dangerous

Racism=Multiculturalism that’s a one-way street - permitted by our own lax laws to be so.

I’m not PC - far from it.
I’m normally accused of sympathising with ■■■■ economic policy - not being an apologist either of the British role in the rise of Nazism or the slave trade beforehand in history either. Hitler greatly admired the “Zweiter Reich” and saw initially at least - his own Dritter Reich as being the natural successor to what the British Empire had already achieved. Hitler’s skills of diplomacy however, - were lousy. They demonstrated a total misunderstanding of the cards he had in front of him. The ■■■■ party machine rather than Hitler’s leadership gave it the powers we now associate with “■■■■ Evils”. Even the concentration camps were not thought up by Hitler himself.

Tito only failed because he died, and the project he started was unable to continue without him for very long. Too much pent-up anger between the races in the balkans were no more inevitably coming to a head - than assuming that the same thing is going to happen here in the UK… The weakness of the latter-day Soviet Union precipitated the final breakup of Yugoslavia a decade later. A ultimate failing of (the old) law and order - that’s all.

Our exploding population from all corners of the planet may well be stoking up a powder keg in this country - but I have faith that the UK with it’s experience of Empire Administration can take it all in it’s stride. Strong law and order is what’s needed, which is one of the reasons I’ve never voted Labour in my life. If I seem “leftist” therefore, it’s only being “left of Hitler”. My politics are actually well right of centre, but not actually right wing. I don’t believe you should be above the law because you’ve got a bigger wad than the other guy for example. That sounds leftist eh? I do believe in “fair play” which originally was a very British Empire concept. Does that make me sound “Imperialist”? I believe in harsh punishments for those committing harsh crimes. Does that make me sound Fascist? I admire the “Benevolent Dictator” concept. Does that make me sound Communist?

I don’t believe anyone on Earth has the monopoly on what’s true, good, and right. A better system for the future can only be assembled out of the best bits of all that went before. Deciding which bits are “best” however - tends to be a matter of opinion.

“Democracy is the worst possible government - except all the others that have been tried.”

W.Churchill

G6Bob:

Olog Hai:
You have Guardian reader logic if you think the fact that the white male dominates the transport sector makes it ‘racist’. It’s probably for the same reason that comparatively you don’t seem many women driving trucks or white blokes working in kebab houses. The job just doesn’t appeal to other ethnicities.

Agreed ^^^^^

Can only think of one “corner shop” in my area that isn’t owned and ran by people of a Pakistani or Indian origin. Guess some industries just attract certain people.

Sorry if i go off track a bit. It was on the Wright stuff this week about a company, BskyB that was going to be hiring so that 20% of its work force is ethnic minorities. If anyone sees HGV driving as racist or prejudice, imagine if the industry took up the same stance as BskyB, they would be hiring drivers not on talent, experience, skills, qualifications, attitude etc but solely on skin colour, to make up percentages. Hate the idea of that in any industry, best person for the job whether the be male,female, blue,black or green

Yes, I don’t give a shut where your from, what colour you are, who you are or aren’t shagging, how old you are, what ■■■ you are or what you wear as long as you’re pro.

truckman020:
I don’t reckon you are looking hard enough then fella,also getting a bit tired of hearing about this racist crap[no offence meant]I have worked with loads of ethnic minorities and decent geezers the lot of them are,i have also met one or two racists one of them asked why I shook a particular blokes hand,i replied because he showed me respect so he got respect back,i then asked why he mentioned it and he replied because the bloke whos hand I shook is black,i then replied in no uncertain terms what he could do with his opinion and if he stood there any longer I would chin him,i got no time for people like that,if a guy says hi to me and shakes my hand I don’t give a ■■■■ what colour skin he has

Bless you sir, I have to say I don’t challenge it when someone bangs on about N’s or P’s, I just don’t say anything or walk off.

I honestly think some blokes are just brain washed & it’s like, “well everyone else hates them so why shouldn’t I?”

It’s like tribal monkey ■■■■, you see it at the football, we are us, you are them. So…

Carryfast:

Winseer:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
I don’t think anyone actually knows what “racist” means anymore.

If a company like BsB (related in previous post) can “positively discriminate” to get so many percentage of ethnic minorities - then that to me is a profoundly racist recruitment policy! It means anyone white above the quota - will automatically get knocked back when applying - and the firm thinks it’s got around the law successfully (which of course it has!) by advertising for “anyone” - but just not taking anyone at the interview stage…

To put it simply ‘racist’ is what Hitler did in attacking different ethnic groups because they are different.It’s also what Tito did in forcing different ethnic groups to integrate by artificial methods.

Multi Culturalism means ‘celebrating’ the differences and maintaining them. :bulb:

Naw. If Hitler was merely being “Racist”, then he wouldn’t have persecuted white Europeans everywhere, including those from the same stock as the white German ancestory… Not the “Aryan” thing - that’s supposed to be a myth…
Hitler also persecuted Homosexuals, even those within his own high command - such as Ernst Roehm, who was shot on Hitler’s orders - once he found out he was batting for the other team… Ethnically, the Polish were very close indeed to the German race. They were the first ones to get invaded by force, rather than merely annexed - aided and abetted by Stalin’s Russia, whom of course Hitler later turned upon… They were not an “ethnic minority” either…

Walk down a German street today, and you’ll always see lots of Turks, and other mediteraaneans as opposed to what we would call “black” races as well. Does this mean that Modern Germany is “racist?” - No, it’s just the demographics of a mostly landlocked state in central Europe…

We don’t have proper “multiculturalism” in this country - because whilst we white Brits are supposed to make everything very inclusive towards ethnic minorities - the reverse doesn’t happen anywhere near as much as it should. Try dating a Muslim girl, opening an affordable restaurant, getting away with blatant lawbreaking, and of course getting a job that’s skewed against white Brits to apply for… :exclamation:

I think you’re missing the point concerning the difference between Racism as opposed to Multi Culturalism.In general as I’ve said that difference is basically that of ‘celebrating’ the ethnic differences and ‘maintaining’ them by way of segregation and/or national boders.As opposed to ‘attacking’ people ‘because’ of them.Under Hitler’s Germany that generally included the invasion and attacking of Slavic countries having not only regarded their Jewish populations as ‘untermenschen’ but also the Slavic ones.

By that logic like too many of the indigenous population here you’ve swallowed the Socialist PC ideology of imposing guilt on us for the crimes of Hitler’s lot.IE segregation,preferably in the way that nature intended by nation states and geographic distribution,is actually the right idea.Not integration which is what Tito tried and failed to do in the old Yugoslav federation with the inevitable horrific results in the long term.

IE racism has two forms that of attacking people because they are different instead of celebrating the ethnic differences between us.Or that of social engineering in an erroneous flawed attempt to deal with the former issue which is where we are heading now.IE integration isn’t the answer to racism it actually just breeds it.

As for the ‘other’ types of issues concerning ■■■■ society.In many cultures,including ours at that time,the idea of ‘practicing’ such perversions of human relationships was/is rightly considered as being considered as societally unacceptable just as ■■■■■■ is.The difference is that the Nazis took that to the extreme in actually attacking people because of how they were unfortunately born rather than just apply the law on a reasonable basis to enforce the non practice of such acts. :bulb:

IE there was nothing really wrong with British society as it stood when it took on and defeated the Nazis.Under ‘that’ society there would have been nothing considered wrong in the idea of employing the indigenous workforce as a priority over importing an immigrant one especially in the case of there being more applicants than job vacancies.While unlike under Hitler’s Germany those born with a perverted attraction for their own ■■■ would have been subject to reasonable,proportional,penalties under the law,for ‘acting’ on them.Not killed ‘because’ of how they were unfortunately born.Everything since then has been PC socialist dogma dressed up under the disguise of applying guilt on the Brits for the crimes of the Nazis. :unamused: :frowning:

As for there being no difference between the ethnic ‘Aryan’ populations and the Slavic ones if that’s right then the English and German language would both be very different than they both are to start with.

Jesus dude, people may actually read your posts if you didn’t bang on so much, edit him downs.

Yes the industry is racist, but that’s just a reflection of society in general and not exclusively the transport industry.

newmercman:
Yes the industry is racist, but that’s just a reflection of society in general and not exclusively the transport industry.

Thank zb someone has said this, that’s what I think & see too, a majority of White British people are racist, I once walked into a convo between 2 drivers in a RDC drivers room, I heard something like ‘yeah it’s all full of zb p***s nowadays’. Our eyes met soon after, we both knew the score & I walked straight out. To me that’s the attitude of most & it shows.

I see more women drivers than coloured drivers. But I see a lot more nameplates ending in “ski” than I see women.

Thinking about it I can’t recall seeing a coloured driver on the A75.

I also think some blokes don’t really mean anything nasty by it, they just say it for a laugh or some such I really do. I mean there’s the nasty ■■■■■ who would kill them without a second thought but in my experience these are few & far between. It’s also far, far more prevalent in
Older males who aren’t as used to a Multi ethnicity society as us relatively young uns.

Silver_Surfer:
far more prevalent in
Older males who aren’t as used to a Multi ethnicity society as us relatively young uns.

I rarely get annoyed at a post but you got me here

You C*ck, I went to school with black, white, Indian, Pakistan, Chinese and Asian both boys & girls my best mate was called Troy, Black as the board.

Very few schools nowadays mix so many races due to the races themselves choosing where to send their kids.

So Silver surfer I apologise but your uninformed drivel is rubbish.
I personally do not see much racism and I certainly wouldn’t stand for it in my company.

My advice get from up your own arses, this land is not ours or any ones, whom made the whites Kings ?
I fill in forms English other (because Im a pinky, off white colour and refuse to address myself as white)

On the subject of ethnicity forms, i have a big big problem with those and refuse point blank to answer any questions linked to such forms, whoever it is that wants to know…confidentiality assured, data safe with us doncha know.

One box for white european oh thats fine white boy, but sod me if you happen to be slightly non white they want to know the ins and outs of the cats arse, what shade you are, Indian or Pakistani Asian, Oriental Asian, West Indian, African etc.

No ones business other than mine if i have a God or a belief in anything else either.

Comes under my golden rule for life, ‘‘management should be on a need to know basis, and what they need to know is as little as possible’’…the same applies to the spying government, self appointed moral guardians, apparatchicks, and all others who have never done a days proper work in their lives, tell 'em bugger all.

I live in the countryside and the only time I see a black face, is if I venture into the bigger towns. Even though we live on the same island, there is a high probability that we lead completely different lifestyles and that outside of a working environment, our paths would seldom cross. I never see a black face when mountain biking, or kayaking, or when staying on caravan sites either.

Harry Monk:

maga:
I was talking with my uncle and a few of his friends and we couldn’t come up with a reason why hgv driving is done by predominantly white males.

Because nobody else is stupid enough to do it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Spot on harry most of the Asians have got more bloody sense

The OP is correct.I have only noticed white males all over the UK driving trucks.
In Europe,the Portuguese hauliers use black drivers from Africa where Portuguese is spoken.
They use Brazilian drivers.
Spanish firms hire South American drivers.

I worked in the drainage industry for 6 years, only ever saw whitey working in this sector.

Muckspreader:
My advice this land is not ours or any ones, whom made the whites Kings ?

Sounds about as reverse racist as it gets to me and,if that,together with the other obvious ‘issues’ concerning our open door immigration policy,isn’t sufficient reason to change citizenship requirements from jus soli to jus sanguinis nothing is.

BillyHunt:
I worked in the drainage industry for 6 years, only ever saw whitey working in this sector.

Never worked for Clancy Docwra then?

Muckspreader:

Silver_Surfer:
far more prevalent in
Older males who aren’t as used to a Multi ethnicity society as us relatively young uns.

I rarely get annoyed at a post but you got me here

You C*ck, I went to school with black, white, Indian, Pakistan, Chinese and Asian both boys & girls my best mate was called Troy, Black as the board.

Very few schools nowadays mix so many races due to the races themselves choosing where to send their kids.

So Silver surfer I apologise but your uninformed drivel is rubbish.
I personally do not see much racism and I certainly wouldn’t stand for it in my company.

My advice get from up your own arses, this land is not ours or any ones, whom made the whites Kings ?
I fill in forms English other (because Im a pinky, off white colour and refuse to address myself as white)

Cor blimey dude, chill out, I wasn’t calling you a racist but I stand by what I said.