I take your point and wouldn’t answer but for the dissent that continues. There are those that can’t see a crisis, which I try to explain and yes, perhaps to the point of exhaustion. The ideas we have aren’t the ones that are going to happen, at least not until it all collapses and a reset button is pressed. I explain why I’m put off and along with the tens of thousands why they’ve also left. An idea? If people have other skills, now is the time to use them. 
Back in the 80s/90s hundreds of the traditional 5-lorry hauliers were driven out of business as the giants like Wincanton and ES undercut them. (It wasn’t just that - wages were rising faster than rates and many owners were elderly themselves, having started up just after the war) Now it’s those giants with their massive debts that are in difficulties, so maybe it is time to the smaller, more efficient hauliers to take it back. When I first started driving, ‘trampers’ were very much like tramps, in that they carried goods from place to place; only getting home when there was a load to take them there.
One sector that is thriving is the pallet network model. Palletforce is not a huge conglomerate but a network of private business, each with a share of the total. They all do other direct work, but there is no profit in driving 100 miles with six pallets and then returning empty. The advantage of these networks, with a central hub, is that the trucks are rarely empty.
Goods will always need transporting (unless someone invents teleportation) and the bulk of it will be by road. As one provider dies - so another will grow to replace it. I imagine that ES has been having problems getting credit from anyone lately. When I worked for a company that was going broke; the first I knew of how serious it was, was when the fuel company insisted on cash-on-delivery.
Well my company is family run with 6 trucks we do 2-3 jobs each a day on a good hourly rate and we seem to be chugging along nicely,
Compare that to a lad I know at stobarts and another at another large haulier both lads are stressed maxing out hours everyday on less per hour than I am and stobarts are struggling and the other firm says they can’t pay drivers anymore money.
It seems that these firms that have “created” positions for people like “compliance manager” and “driver trainer” are seeing these salary’s unsustainable in this industry.
My firms trucks are run by the gaffer who also is a driver,6 trucks 6 wages,
Some of you need to get your head out your arse !!
A couple of you are eyes wide open, I salute you!..
The country has been bankrupt since February 24 2009 the foreclosure documents can be found online quite easily.
Buckle up ■■■■■■■ it’s going to be a hell of a ride!
Shareholders, greed and politicians too scared to raise taxes.
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Grandpa:
Am I willing to risk stress related illness, physical injury or even death to complete totally unrealistic timed deliveries in what UNITE describes as a ‘race to the bottom’? How many reading this are going to become just another a statistic in 2020, as they compete to make a profit for a collapsing profit driven industry?For those that say, ‘my job isn’t like that’, it soon will be, because if your company isn’t working you flat out on 12 hours shifts to the point of micro-managing your breaks whilst unloading, they’re going to lose that contact to those that do.
Not where I am however that’s a place that doesn’t run transport for a profit, rather it runs it to shift its own stuff around. Companies that don’t exist to make a profit out of their lorries are where you want to be if you want to avoid that.
P Stoff:
Shareholders, greed and politicians too scared to raise taxes.Great idea!!!.. make those who are creating the wealth pay extra whilst those screwing us over can continue to serve there own & screw us over some more whilst funnelling our money into shell companies & off shore accounts!
Oh wait an industry which the government wants to effectively close down,or at least ■■■■■■■,for political reasons shows the signs and results of the over regulation of its productivety potential,in the form of obsolete overall length and weight restrictions and industry specific taxation in the form of road fuel duty.Both being used as the primary tools in doing that.Who would have thought it.So why not at least allow trials of up to a 20ft and 40 ft container to be hauled by one truck and the use of red diesel and then see if the industry responds economically to the upgrade.If it doesn’t we’ve lost nothing.
Bigtruck3:
You as a person do not have a clue how the world works and life as well you expect things to never change you want everything to stay the same
It’s people like that who love to complain about everything and everything no matter how good you would have it
You are the person who people run a mile when they see you coming why because you live in the past
It’s not a opinion you have or facts that you preach its bitterness pure and simple
And you can’t get a job now that doesn’t surprise me
No he’s seen enough of your obvious type of ‘change’ to know that it’s all retrograde zb.He’s calling a spade a spade and for whatever reason you equally obviously don’t like it.
Grandpa:
An idea? If people have other skills, now is the time to use them.
Won’t the "gig economy"and it’s inevitable collapse affect other trades.
Or is it just transport?
commonrail:
Grandpa:
An idea? If people have other skills, now is the time to use them.Won’t the "gig economy"and it’s inevitable collapse affect other trades.
Or is it just transport?
Now now don’t let details get in the way…
dbk23:
Some of you need to get your head out your arse !!A couple of you are eyes wide open, I salute you!..
The country has been bankrupt since February 24 2009 the foreclosure documents can be found online quite easily.
Buckle up ■■■■■■■ it’s going to be a hell of a ride!
Tin foil hat on a bit too tight today?
Carryfast:
Bigtruck3:
You as a person do not have a clue how the world works and life as well you expect things to never change you want everything to stay the same
It’s people like that who love to complain about everything and everything no matter how good you would have it
You are the person who people run a mile when they see you coming why because you live in the past
It’s not a opinion you have or facts that you preach its bitterness pure and simple
And you can’t get a job now that doesn’t surprise meNo he’s seen enough of your obvious type of ‘change’ to know that it’s all retrograde zb.He’s calling a spade a spade and for whatever reason you equally obviously don’t like it.
All his information is off the internet hearsay a crash don’t happen every 10 years there is still too much meat left on the bone
Hes a doomsday man everything hes hears or reads he believes then he trys to preach it to people around him
End of the world type no forward thinking
If he was delivering anywhere where he had to sit to get tipped he would be the number one story teller of drivel
Bigtruck3:
All his information is off the internet hearsay a crash don’t happen every 10 years there is still too much meat left on the bone
Hes a doomsday man everything hes hears or reads he believes then he trys to preach it to people around him
End of the world type no forward thinking
If he was delivering anywhere where he had to sit to get tipped he would be the number one story teller of drivel
No my own view of a similar age as Grandpa suggests that the industry is heading towards more that which my Grandfather would have recognised than that which I knew of the 1970’s/80’s.Although Grandpa might not agree with my reasons for it ( increasingly trying to find a more local based operational model because allowed payloads and fuel costs are intentionally too high thereby making the distance bulk movement of freight by road increasingly unviable ).
Bigtruck3:
Carryfast:
Bigtruck3:
You as a person do not have a clue how the world works and life as well you expect things to never change you want everything to stay the same
It’s people like that who love to complain about everything and everything no matter how good you would have it
You are the person who people run a mile when they see you coming why because you live in the past
It’s not a opinion you have or facts that you preach its bitterness pure and simple
And you can’t get a job now that doesn’t surprise meNo he’s seen enough of your obvious type of ‘change’ to know that it’s all retrograde zb.He’s calling a spade a spade and for whatever reason you equally obviously don’t like it.
All his information is off the internet hearsay a crash don’t happen every 10 years there is still too much meat left on the bone
Hes a doomsday man everything hes hears or reads he believes then he trys to preach it to people around him
End of the world type no forward thinking
If he was delivering anywhere where he had to sit to get tipped he would be the number one story teller of drivel
Don’t whup I Massa, I’s a workin …
In the first instance of its kind, HGV driver Mr. Bigtruck of Hurry-Up Haulage received 15 lashes from a ratchet strap after failing to complete a timed delivery from Southampton to Manchester in three hours and six minutes. Mr. Shifty on behalf of the company later told TruckNet, ‘It’s only about 200 to 300 miles as the crow flies, well you know give or take a bit. We even gave him an extra six minutes as a rest period and he still couldn’t do it.’
Mr. Bigtruck first came to prominence in ‘Truckers got talent’ after failing to un/strap and run through five sheds at Palletways in Litchfield in 30 minutes. Mr. Bigtruck, who was suffering from a back injury told reporters at the time, ‘I could have done it if I hadn’t also dislocated my right shoulder and used both hands.’
My interest was first aroused when the EU thought up the idea of economic ‘zones.’ Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others. A bit like the previous traditional corner shops that largely disappeared being taken over by the supermarket giants. In time the government produced the free movement of labour and the foreign hauliers rolled in. Now why would they do that, knowing that it was detrimental to the British transport industry? If you step back and think about it, you might even think that someone wants the traditional haulier set up in Britain to fail and become dominated by a few cut to the bone cost companies. In other words, is transport going the same way as the old corner shop?
Doesn’t anyone find it strange that we’re labelled as one of the top economies in Europe, with low unemployment (with food bins for the poor in all the supermarkets), but what is it we actually produce? We run around all night transporting E Bay rubbish for cut price parcel companies and supplies for supermarkets! Coal, the shipyards, steel, fishing … they’ve all gone and the transport industry is now failing.
Our Trade Secretary runs around the world asking countries to invest in Britain, but invest in what? The answer is, invest in profit as what’s left is cut to the bone and the shareholders cheer. Or as one major company states, putting in place an ‘appropriate operational rigour’, meaning squeeze every minute you can out of the bas***ds before it all goes ■■■■ up.
Cost cutting companies, agencies, umbrella companies … Unlike us, when did you hear of one company that went bust and the directors complained they’d lost everything? That’s how it is now, but if you’re cheering it all on and want to be a part of it you must have a bloody screw loose.
Grandpa:
My interest was first aroused when the EU thought up the idea of economic ‘zones.’ Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others. A bit like the previous traditional corner shops that largely disappeared being taken over by the supermarket giants. In time the government produced the free movement of labour and the foreign hauliers rolled in. Now why would they do that, knowing that it was detrimental to the British transport industry? If you step back and think about it, you might even think that someone wants the traditional haulier set up in Britain to fail and become dominated by a few cut to the bone cost companies. In other words, is transport going the same way as the old corner shop?Doesn’t anyone find it strange that we’re labelled as one of the top economies in Europe, with low unemployment (with food bins for the poor in all the supermarkets), but what is it we actually produce? We run around all night transporting E Bay rubbish for cut price parcel companies and supplies for supermarkets! Coal, the shipyards, steel, fishing … they’ve all gone and the transport industry is now failing.
Our Trade Secretary runs around the world asking countries to invest in Britain, but invest in what? The answer is, invest in profit as what’s left is cut to the bone and the shareholders cheer. Or as one major company states, putting in place an ‘appropriate operational rigour’, meaning squeeze every minute you can out of the bas***ds before it all goes ■■■■ up.
Cost cutting companies, agencies, umbrella companies … Unlike us, when did you hear of one company that went bust and the directors complained they’d lost everything? That’s how it is now, but if you’re cheering it all on and want to be a part of it you must have a bloody screw loose.
Stop it grandpa, most on here don’t have a IQ in double figures, your wisdom is whistling through empty heads.
dbk23:
Grandpa:
My interest was first aroused when the EU thought up the idea of economic ‘zones.’ Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others. A bit like the previous traditional corner shops that largely disappeared being taken over by the supermarket giants. In time the government produced the free movement of labour and the foreign hauliers rolled in. Now why would they do that, knowing that it was detrimental to the British transport industry? If you step back and think about it, you might even think that someone wants the traditional haulier set up in Britain to fail and become dominated by a few cut to the bone cost companies. In other words, is transport going the same way as the old corner shop?Doesn’t anyone find it strange that we’re labelled as one of the top economies in Europe, with low unemployment (with food bins for the poor in all the supermarkets), but what is it we actually produce? We run around all night transporting E Bay rubbish for cut price parcel companies and supplies for supermarkets! Coal, the shipyards, steel, fishing … they’ve all gone and the transport industry is now failing.
Our Trade Secretary runs around the world asking countries to invest in Britain, but invest in what? The answer is, invest in profit as what’s left is cut to the bone and the shareholders cheer. Or as one major company states, putting in place an ‘appropriate operational rigour’, meaning squeeze every minute you can out of the bas***ds before it all goes ■■■■ up.
Cost cutting companies, agencies, umbrella companies … Unlike us, when did you hear of one company that went bust and the directors complained they’d lost everything? That’s how it is now, but if you’re cheering it all on and want to be a part of it you must have a bloody screw loose.
Stop it grandpa, most on here don’t have a IQ in double figures, your wisdom is whistling through empty heads.
Thank you for your comment, but I think most do understand and like me are worried, but for a small minority I wonder how they’ve survived the recent present, never mind how they’ll survive the future. I’m lucky and I acknowledge that because I have other skills and qualifications that I’m now putting to use, but if I was relying only on a HGV licence to make a living I’d be very afraid of the future.
Grandpa:
dbk23:
Grandpa:
My interest was first aroused when the EU thought up the idea of economic ‘zones.’ Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others. A bit like the previous traditional corner shops that largely disappeared being taken over by the supermarket giants. In time the government produced the free movement of labour and the foreign hauliers rolled in. Now why would they do that, knowing that it was detrimental to the British transport industry? If you step back and think about it, you might even think that someone wants the traditional haulier set up in Britain to fail and become dominated by a few cut to the bone cost companies. In other words, is transport going the same way as the old corner shop?Doesn’t anyone find it strange that we’re labelled as one of the top economies in Europe, with low unemployment (with food bins for the poor in all the supermarkets), but what is it we actually produce? We run around all night transporting E Bay rubbish for cut price parcel companies and supplies for supermarkets! Coal, the shipyards, steel, fishing … they’ve all gone and the transport industry is now failing.
Our Trade Secretary runs around the world asking countries to invest in Britain, but invest in what? The answer is, invest in profit as what’s left is cut to the bone and the shareholders cheer. Or as one major company states, putting in place an ‘appropriate operational rigour’, meaning squeeze every minute you can out of the bas***ds before it all goes ■■■■ up.
Cost cutting companies, agencies, umbrella companies … Unlike us, when did you hear of one company that went bust and the directors complained they’d lost everything? That’s how it is now, but if you’re cheering it all on and want to be a part of it you must have a bloody screw loose.
Stop it grandpa, most on here don’t have a IQ in double figures, your wisdom is whistling through empty heads.
Thank you for your comment, but I think most do understand and like me are worried, but for a small minority I wonder how they’ve survived the recent present, never mind how they’ll survive the future. I’m lucky and I acknowledge that because I have other skills and qualifications that I’m now putting to use, but if I was relying only on a HGV licence to make a living I’d be very afraid of the future.
There is nobody worried it is only you being mister doom and gloom because you can’t get a foot in the door anywhere and why would that not be a surprise to anyone with your attitude
If you think the world is coming to a end you are wrong
It’s actually a boom time at the moment and the money men are making a killing
When that stops then its gloom and doom
But i suppose it’s doom and gloom has been a factor in all of your life
Grandpa:
Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others.
I assume you mean the fishing quotas that were given to British fishermen who promptly sold them on so they could sit all day in the pub instead?