robroy:
Yep, one half consisting of the out of touch and cgaf wealthy, the other half inept, unelectable extreme left idiots…how IS Diane Abott doing these days btw?
They/we need a pro working people, breakaway new party, with the few genuine original type Labour being part of it, with defectors from other parties with te right time of mind, if these tossers are incapable of getting their act together, problem is it could take 5 to 10 years after formation to establish it’s self to become electable for government.
Just have a listen to Abbot being interviewed by Nicky Campbell on 5 live yesterday if you want a good laugh, speaking without actually saying anything coherently…
Ah, the innumerate Abbott?
How unlike the “up to speed” Tories:
Nadine Dorres tweets about the 180,000 new jobs in Harlepool(sic)https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1389188966096777219?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
A town with 90,000 population…I know those dastardly Tories want to bring back child labour, but isnt it extreme to enrole the unborn and dead on the payroll? And here is Johnson on Nick Ferrari (2014): [theguardian.com/politics/vi ... cton-video](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/oct/07/boris-johnson-forgets-tory-candidate-name-clacton-video) Doesnt know the name of his main man.
And here is Johnson on Spitting Image: youtube.com/watch?v=qDaRB_ZGJDM
And some documentary clips of him in person: youtube.com/watch?v=QJxfYM_Hn4I
Franglais mate…you don’t get it, it ain’t a competition , nobody on here, certainly not me are championing the Tories, we have 2 choices, neither party is ideal, but the Tories are the best out of 2 evils…that about sums it up, …vote Tory or completely (rather than partly) go right down the Gary Glitter.
robroy:
Franglais mate…you don’t get it, it ain’t a competition , nobody on here, certainly not me are championing the Tories, we have 2 choices, neither party is ideal, but the Tories are the best out of 2 evils…that about sums it up, …vote Tory or completely (rather than partly) go right down the Gary Glitter.
Yep,
One party is populated mostly by idiots, the other mostly by educated idiots. Who on earth is worth voting for? The present system keeps good people out. We really need change.
I won’t vote for either of the two main parties, haven’t voted for either for probably 30 years now.
I refuse to vote for who we’re told is the least dangerous option of two parties that have for some 3 decades at least been unfit for purpose, both parties should have died and been replaced years ago, holding your nose and voting for one bunch of no hopers just to keep the other lot out is why we are stuck in the uniparty system and whilst we carry on like this playing their game the impasse will continue indefinately.
Voting the same way each time, negatively, whilst expecting a different result, is a sign of something
As the main parties will not change the system from fptp to a system of proportional representation it’s pointless voting at all.
The mp for the New Forest is a con with a very large majority.
The demographics of the area means he will never be unseated. The man was given a knighthood for being brown nosed and is an ■■■ and won’t be voted out.
robroy:
Franglais mate…you don’t get it, it ain’t a competition , nobody on here, certainly not me are championing the Tories, we have 2 choices, neither party is ideal, but the Tories are the best out of 2 evils…that about sums it up, …vote Tory or completely (rather than partly) go right down the Gary Glitter.
!
It is a competition… to get into Parliament, and into power, that is the competition.
And you state that one party is better than tother? So there we are. I do get it, dont I?
And you say there are only two choices?
Unfortunately that is (more or less) so.
In a different system, with a form of proportional representation it wouldn`t be a two horse, first past the post race. But we are, where we are.
robroy:
If there was a proper Labour Party…ie a party with their feet on the ground,.and in touch with the requirements and needs of people who work for a living, in the working class, they would get my vote every time.
It’s ridiculous that people like me are voting for the opposing main party only to keep OUT a party that they should be voting FOR, whose sole original reason to be is to represent me and people like me.
A pretty fair analysis. Hartlepool is a solid working class areas whose constituents will have experienced the same wage stagnation that we in the transport industry have over the last 15 years because of the flood of cheap labour eastern Europeans brought in under the Blair Labour administration.
Labour (and the Conservatives) refused to listen to our genuine concerns, dismissing us instead as “racists” and “bigots”. They continued with this approach until UKIP became so strong that Cameron had no choice other than to offer a referendum as part of his 2015 general election manifesto.
And so we voted, and we voted to leave.
The Conservatives have accepted this, but Labour still haven’t, and it was an enormous blunder for Labour to select a staunchly pro-Remain candidate to fight the Hartlepool by-election. Yet again Labour sticking two fingers up at their core voter base. A complete and total insult to the monkey hangers of Hartlepool.
I heard a Labour spokesperson on the radio after the election and her analysis was “We need to talk to the electorate more”. Well, here’s an idea, Dearie. Stop talking to the electorate immediately and use the energy you save to listen to them instead. Because until you do, you’ve got absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever getting back into power.
PR in whatever form just means more bickering in Parliament, and nothing gets done. It also gives a voice to extremists.
Why is socialism still peddled as an ideology when it has failed in every country it has been implemented.
People want pragmatic political solutions, not decisions based on a twisted and failed ideology. A lot of people voted Tory in Hartlepool for the simple reason of alignment with Westminster. Here in Liverpool we have councillors calling MP’s Tory scum, and then expect to have a positve working relationship with them.
Labour has never really been about the working man, he has just been a pawn, or a useful idiot to paraphrase lenin, in a wider political game. Judging by recent comments in the press and here, it seems some of the sheep are getting wise to this fact.
Listening to them,on the radio atm…on how they’re going to regain the red wall with a new leader and strategy.
It’s not happening,you ■■■■
We’re all on any 5 from 7…with a quid extra for Sunday.
rearaxle:
Teach your child about the labour party by making them clean the bathroom.
Pay them £10 for their work.
Then take £7 of it back of them,
then give the £7 to the neighbours kids for doing absolutely [zb] all.
More like only £1.But that has to be shared among everyone including the Mum and Dad.Who should feel guilty for the exploitation that they’ve personally inflicted on the world over the previous 600 years.
So the other £9 will be shared among the neighbours’ family of 9 and the Mum and Dad who’ll be given another £2 all to show remorse.
Then the neighbours can invite in more of their friends and family to live next door on the other side who can share another £11 between them.
So now we’ve not only got far more people than we need to clean 3 bathrooms but we’re also paying for the privilege while not getting paid ourselves because we’ve been replaced and we ain’t needed.
robroy:
Franglais mate…you don’t get it, it ain’t a competition , nobody on here, certainly not me are championing the Tories, we have 2 choices, neither party is ideal, but the Tories are the best out of 2 evils…that about sums it up, …vote Tory or completely (rather than partly) go right down the Gary Glitter.
!
It is a competition… to get into Parliament, and into power, that is the competition.
And you state that one party is better than tother? So there we are. I do get it, dont I?
And you say there are only two choices?
Unfortunately that is (more or less) so.
In a different system, with a form of proportional representation it wouldn`t be a two horse, first past the post race. But we are, where we are.
Seriously?
C’mon mate you come across as an educated sort of a guy, you know exactly what I mean, but you just play with the words I’ve chucked at you instead, to point score in an argument.
I aint stupid,.I’m well aware there is competion in an election by it’s very reason to be, but we both know that is not what I meant…don’t we.
The ‘‘competion’’…I was referring to is your stance, where you grasp and take every opportunity on here to reiterate a point, whether it be Covid rules, ■■■■ Brexit (yawn yawn ) or your obsessive neo hatred of Boris Johnson, you are calling him (to me for example) as you would my favourite football club, as if I’m a big fan…I ain’t for the last time,.I’m merely pointing out why I prefer (term used very loosely btw) him/them to Starmer and the Labour Party in it’s present form…as I said the best and worst of two evils.
Yes,.granted proportional representation more than likely would come up with very different results, but it’s pie in the sky, it won’t happen, so let’s just get on with playing with the hands we are dealt, instead of something totally irrelevant eh?
Juddian:
I won’t vote for either of the two main parties, haven’t voted for either for probably 30 years now.
I refuse to vote for who we’re told is the least dangerous option of two parties that have for some 3 decades at least been unfit for purpose, both parties should have died and been replaced years ago, holding your nose and voting for one bunch of no hopers just to keep the other lot out is why we are stuck in the uniparty system and whilst we carry on like this playing their game the impasse will continue indefinately.
Voting the same way each time, negatively, whilst expecting a different result, is a sign of something
That only works if EVERYBODY on both sides do it, then things sure as hell would change, but it ain’t going to happen.
Somebody is always going to vote, so if the other guy does not vote, the opposing side gets in,.so the other guy has to vote to cancel the first vote out.
I’ve read that back and even I’m struggling, but I’m sure you’ll know what I’m trying to say.
My Granda used to say if you don’t vote you forfeit the right to criticise those who get in,.and you are left to pick up the pieces.
He was a wise bloke my Granda.
Harry Monk:
Hartlepool is a solid working class areas whose constituents will have experienced the same wage stagnation that we in the transport industry have over the last 15 years because of the flood of cheap labour eastern Europeans brought in under the Blair Labour administration.
Labour (and the Conservatives) refused to listen to our genuine concerns, dismissing us instead as “racists” and “bigots”. They continued with this approach until UKIP became so strong that Cameron had no choice other than to offer a referendum as part of his 2015 general election manifesto.
And so we voted, and we voted to leave.
The Conservatives have accepted this, but Labour still haven’t, and it was an enormous blunder for Labour to select a staunchly pro-Remain candidate to fight the Hartlepool by-election. Yet again Labour sticking two fingers up at their core voter base. A complete and total insult to the monkey hangers of Hartlepool.
I heard a Labour spokesperson on the radio after the election and her analysis was “We need to talk to the electorate more”. Well, here’s an idea, Dearie. Stop talking to the electorate immediately and use the energy you save to listen to them instead. Because until you do, you’ve got absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever getting back into power.
They’re all the same working for the same globalist agenda.They should all be kicked out on grounds that they are all working in the foreign interest at the expense of ours would be better than the idea that voting Conservative is the solution.
Parliament can vote against itself and dissolve itself on grounds of no confidence so why can’t we have that option by putting it on the ballot paper with the rule that the reason why has to be shown with it.
Juddian:
I won’t vote for either of the two main parties, haven’t voted for either for probably 30 years now.
I refuse to vote for who we’re told is the least dangerous option of two parties that have for some 3 decades at least been unfit for purpose, both parties should have died and been replaced years ago, holding your nose and voting for one bunch of no hopers just to keep the other lot out is why we are stuck in the uniparty system and whilst we carry on like this playing their game the impasse will continue indefinately.
Voting the same way each time, negatively, whilst expecting a different result, is a sign of something
^ This.It’s all a charade.No even half patriotic person would have signed us up to all the globalist trash that we’ve been lumbered with since WW2 Treaty of Rome to UN agenda 30.
Munchkin:
How many Tories do you think had to consult Google maps (other options are available) to find out where Hartlepool is after finding out they’d won it?
Sent from my R19 using Tapatalk
Indeed, I take your point, but I think that could be said for the majority of southerners!
Munchkin:
How many Tories do you think had to consult Google maps (other options are available) to find out where Hartlepool is after finding out they’d won it?
Sent from my R19 using Tapatalk
Indeed, I take your point, but I think that could be said for the majority of southerners!
Munchkin:
How many Tories do you think had to consult Google maps (other options are available) to find out where Hartlepool is after finding out they’d won it?
They could have asked Peter Mandelson to point them in the right direction.
, nobody on here, certainly not me are championing the Tories, we have 2 choices, neither party is ideal, but the Tories are the best out of 2 evils…that about sums it up, …vote Tory or completely (rather than partly) go right down the Gary Glitter.
