After the Hartlepool loss where do they go from here.
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Why would anyone with any sense give any credibility to the party which gave us Callaghan and Blair and Brown and now Starmer and great leader Kahn while having trashed people like Peter Shore and Kate Hoey.
The whole rotten mess needs to be demolished and obliterated before it can be rebuilt.
They’ve been dead since one Anthony Blair arrived, for years they have made no secret they despised the native working class so no surprise they deserted the same, the final nail in the coffin was failing in their duty as Her Maj’s opposition, instead they became an echo chamber for whatever the current most hopeless govt in history came up with only really commenting the govt should have taken more draconian steps and sooner.
Not a mention of the loss of freedoms of the nation, that was left to one or two decent Conservative back benchers a handful of no longer or have never been mainstream journalists and one retired judge.
Not a murmer about the destruction of millions of working class jobs…we all know they’ve gone it’s only furlough and ridiculous sums plucked from Rishi’s arse that have kept some forms of income flowing, but what the hell would the labour party know about the genuyine working classes, there’s only a handful of any of the buggers in the house from all parties that have lived genuine working class lives, Labour have too many champagne socialists who haven’t the foggiest idea what a working class bod even looks like, Lady Nugee with her comments about England flags was typical of their attitude, the middle class socialists have enjoyed house arrests, full pay dossing about at home wonderful, they’re getting a bit arsey now because they haven’t been to their favourite foreign destinations for a while, well some have just you don’t really hear about who and where.
We are all paying for the theft of the Labour party and will continue to pay, because most people feel the current unfit for anything other than lining its own pockets Tory party must be votyed for to keep Labour out, what a sorry bloody state of affairs when this inept lying govt of chancers are the best we can come up with.
Both parties deserve to wither and die, sadly because of our system they’ll remain and between them oversee the final destruction of this once fine country.
Juddian:
They’ve been dead since one Anthony Blair arrived, for years they have made no secret they despised the native working class so no surprise they deserted the same
Not just Blair that applies to Wilson and Callaghan and Jenkins just the same.Blair only took advantage of the legacy that they left him with.
No place for Benn or preferably Shore in that agenda.
Socialism is dead.
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Dear Keir,
The Labour Party was formed to support the working classes, not the upper-middle-dinner-party-chattering classes of North London. The people aren’t terribly impressed with your work at the CPS, ignoring calls to charge Jimmy Savile, suppressing prosecutions of organised mass peadophilic ■■■■ gangs and representing various criminals in expensive cases against the British government and people over the years.
We’re also not awfully impressed at your ‘taking a knee’ (what the hell was that all about?) in support of a Marxist organisation that had the backing of only a tiny and revoltingly vocal minority of people in this country.
We know that you and your MPs did not represent your (former) voting base, demonstrated clearly by your trying to engineer a remain vote in the EU referendum and when that battle was lost, by then trying to sabotage that vote for years afterwards instead of implementing the will of the people.
It’s probably worth mentioning that in general most of us aren’t awfully keen on being taxed more so that that money can then be thrown in the direction of those who could work but choose not to or overseas, instead of being spent on genuine needy causes at home. Just a passing observation.
You may also want to look at uncontrolled immigration, something cheerfully brought in to engineer votes for a Labour government in the 1990s which has hugely changed the demographic and societal makeup in many traditional Labour voting areas… that has been a lot less popular than you may think with the people who live in those areas, Keir. Not that most of them can say anything of course, because if such things are even mentioned in passing, your far left screeching rabble of followers immediately shout ‘racist’ and close down any reasoned debate. Can you guess which party all these people affected by this stuff are voting for now? Clue: It’s not you.
In short, although you think you do, you do not know better than the suppressed and put upon majority. Your rabid supporters are loud and think they are a majority, but they are not. What they actually are is a bloody awful mob who completely p*ss off the majority of the population while loudly agreeing with each other and being constantly amazed that anyone has the gall to disagree with them.
Guess what buddy? This is still a democratic country and whilst we may live in some justified fear of expressing our beliefs due to the now accepted fascist level of control of public opinion imposed on us from both government and the unrepresentative media, every few years we get a vote and can make our feelings clear. Based on the election results now and in December 2019, you might want to think about that.
All the very best ■■■
…the comments on this should be super great fun. Are we all ready for the hysterical screams of racist, gammon and God alone knows what else from the minority described above who just cannot accept that they are in a minority and not in the right. Pass the popcorn someone…
If there was a proper Labour Party…ie a party with their feet on the ground,.and in touch with the requirements and needs of people who work for a living, in the working class, they would get my vote every time.
It’s ridiculous that people like me are voting for the opposing main party only to keep OUT a party that they should be voting FOR, whose sole original reason to be is to represent me and people like me.
What a cluster ■■■■ of a situation.
They need to get back to their roots, a multi millionaire ex QC who owns in excess of 10 million pounds worth of land, can not possibly empathise with the needs or the life of a working man and woman.
robroy:
If there was a proper Labour Party…ie a party with their feet on the ground,.and in touch with the requirements and needs of people who work for a living, in the working class, they would get my vote every time.
It’s ridiculous that people like me are voting for the opposing main party only to keep OUT a party that they should be voting FOR, whose sole original reason to be is to represent me and people like me.
What a cluster [zb] of a situation.
They need to get back to their roots, a multi millionaire ex QC who owns in excess of 10 million pounds worth of land, can not possibly empathise with the needs or the life of a working man and woman.
Keir Starmer, born in Southwark to a nurse and tool-maker, passed his eleven plus exams and entered a state grammar school. (It converted into a fee paying school whilst he was already there)
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He does own land, near where his family moved to. He apparently bought it for his mother as a donkey sanctuary. Like a lot of land it has probably increased in value over the years a lot.
10million? Whose estimate is that? Green belt land with no planning permission?
I’m sure I don’t know, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Here is a little link about where that land story originated
tatler.com/article/sir-keir … 10-million
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Anyway RobRoy, should he throw away the money he himself has earned in order to get back to his roots?
I thought you were for people workong and bettering themselves? I can’t see where you are coming from here.
the maoster:
Guess what buddy? This is still a democratic country and whilst we may live in some justified fear of expressing our beliefs due to the now accepted fascist level of control of public opinion imposed on us from both government and the unrepresentative media, every few years we get a vote and can make our feelings clear
That’s what America thought until the Socialists wheeled in the Dominion machines and called any opposition far right racists and terrorists. 
Franglais:
robroy:
If there was a proper Labour Party…ie a party with their feet on the ground,.and in touch with the requirements and needs of people who work for a living, in the working class, they would get my vote every time.
It’s ridiculous that people like me are voting for the opposing main party only to keep OUT a party that they should be voting FOR, whose sole original reason to be is to represent me and people like me.
What a cluster [zb] of a situation.
They need to get back to their roots, a multi millionaire ex QC who owns in excess of 10 million pounds worth of land, can not possibly empathise with the needs or the life of a working man and woman.Keir Starmer, born in Southwark to a nurse and tool-maker, passed his eleven plus exams and entered a state grammar school. (It converted into a fee paying school whilst he was already there)
.
He does own land, near where his family moved to. He apparently bought it for his mother as a donkey sanctuary. Like a lot of land it has probably increased in value over the years a lot.
10million? Whose estimate is that? Green belt land with no planning permission?
I’m sure I don’t know, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Here is a little link about where that land story originated
tatler.com/article/sir-keir … 10-million
Ironically Surrey’s Green Belt is only worth that much because of the cross party support to use it for development after first conveniently either turning it into golf courses or playing fields or ‘equestrian use’ and then trashing it to get Vince Cable’s ‘unattractive green belt’ designation.
Isn’t this the same ‘labour party’ that put Yvette Cooper in to campaign for development on the ‘urban fringe’ which obviously means most of what remains of Surrey after Southwark to almost Letherhead has already gone under the dozer of London’s never ending expansion.
The truth is non green belt rural farmland in other parts of the country has more protection against ‘change of use’ to ‘recreational’ uses, let alone development, than Surrey’s Green Belt has and the speculators know it.
So what if he hadn’t passed his elitist eleven + then what ?.
Let Londoners stay in their own zb hole not turn yet more of Surrey into yet more of that zb hole where he was born and should stay.
Carryfast:
the maoster:
Guess what buddy? This is still a democratic country and whilst we may live in some justified fear of expressing our beliefs due to the now accepted fascist level of control of public opinion imposed on us from both government and the unrepresentative media, every few years we get a vote and can make our feelings clearThat’s what America thought until the Socialists wheeled in the Dominion machines and called any opposition far right racists and terrorists.
Do you really believe this nonsense?
Franglais:
robroy:
If there was a proper Labour Party…ie a party with their feet on the ground,.and in touch with the requirements and needs of people who work for a living, in the working class, they would get my vote every time.
It’s ridiculous that people like me are voting for the opposing main party only to keep OUT a party that they should be voting FOR, whose sole original reason to be is to represent me and people like me.
What a cluster [zb] of a situation.
They need to get back to their roots, a multi millionaire ex QC who owns in excess of 10 million pounds worth of land, can not possibly empathise with the needs or the life of a working man and woman.Keir Starmer, born in Southwark to a nurse and tool-maker, passed his eleven plus exams and entered a state grammar school. (It converted into a fee paying school whilst he was already there)
.
He does own land, near where his family moved to. He apparently bought it for his mother as a donkey sanctuary. Like a lot of land it has probably increased in value over the years a lot.
10million? Whose estimate is that? Green belt land with no planning permission?
I’m sure I don’t know, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
.
Here is a little link about where that land story originated
tatler.com/article/sir-keir … 10-million
.
Anyway RobRoy, should he throw away the money he himself has earned in order to get back to his roots?
I thought you were for people workong and bettering themselves? I can’t see where you are coming from here.
Fair comment I am.
Thing is though, (and speaking loosely and very generally which I don’t usually do), in many cases these type of guys (nouveau riche I think is the correct term), lose the plot, forget their roots, and actually turn on their own class and types.
2 examples.
Sadiq Khan, a complete arse hole whose Dad was a bus driver, the guy who hates drivers, not so much bus but truck…tenuously speaking.
Closer to home the Father of all arse holes…Mike F.Ashley, (you can guess his middle name) the guy who takes full advantage of zero hour contracts and abuses his work force, and who has ■■■■■■ off most of the working class in Newcastle and surrounding areas…I know both examples are not linked, but you see what I mean.
A poacher turned gamekeeper scenario when the ex poacher is a sight worse than the original gamekeepers.
I hope he proves me wrong,.and turns out to be a champion of the working classes, and then I will vote Labour again if only to stop my old Granda turning in his grave.
It does seem that Labour now only appeals to the Guardian reading Metropolitan chattering middle classes and young ‘right ons’ who have never had to do a hard days graft in their life. The insular hard left within the party will now want Starmer out and replaced with another Corbyn which will certainly seal their fate.
robroy:
Franglais:
robroy:
If there was a proper Labour Party…ie a party with their feet on the ground,.and in touch with the requirements and needs of people who work for a living, in the working class, they would get my vote every time.
It’s ridiculous that people like me are voting for the opposing main party only to keep OUT a party that they should be voting FOR, whose sole original reason to be is to represent me and people like me.
What a cluster [zb] of a situation.
They need to get back to their roots, a multi millionaire ex QC who owns in excess of 10 million pounds worth of land, can not possibly empathise with the needs or the life of a working man and woman.Keir Starmer, born in Southwark to a nurse and tool-maker, passed his eleven plus exams and entered a state grammar school. (It converted into a fee paying school whilst he was already there)
.
He does own land, near where his family moved to. He apparently bought it for his mother as a donkey sanctuary. Like a lot of land it has probably increased in value over the years a lot.
10million? Whose estimate is that? Green belt land with no planning permission?
I’m sure I don’t know, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
.
Here is a little link about where that land story originated
tatler.com/article/sir-keir … 10-million
.
Anyway RobRoy, should he throw away the money he himself has earned in order to get back to his roots?
I thought you were for people workong and bettering themselves? I can’t see where you are coming from here.Fair comment I am.
Thing is though, (and speaking loosely and very generally which I don’t usually do), in many cases these type of guys (nouveau riche I think is the correct term), lose the plot, forget their roots, and actually turn on their own class and types.2 examples.
Sadiq Khan, a complete arse hole whose Dad was a bus driver, the guy who hates drivers, not so much bus but truck…tenuously speaking.Closer to home the Father of all arse holes…Mike F.Ashley, (you can guess his middle name) the guy who takes full advantage of zero hour contracts and abuses his work force, and who has ■■■■■■ off most of the working class in Newcastle and surrounding areas…I know both examples are not linked, but you see what I mean.
A poacher turned gamekeeper scenario when the ex poacher is a sight worse than the original gamekeepers.
I hope he proves me wrong,.and turns out to be a champion of the working classes, and then I will vote Labour again if only to stop my old Granda turning in his grave.
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100% Rob anyone who has dealings with people who have old money and the new rich will tell you the old rich will have far more manners and time for you than the new rich. New Labour being a classic case of being run by new rich people who had no idea about working class people and were also very keen in pulling the ladder up behind them to prevent the working class from moving up.
In todays Times an article explains one of Labour’s problems is that it doesn’t listen just preaches, until it can rid itself of the London influence it will not be successful.
And Starmer is now in charge of a party dedicated to closing down these schools left wing hypcorisy at it’s best and lets not get onto the subject of Dianne Abbot and her ilk.
Yep, one half consisting of the out of touch and cgaf wealthy, the other half inept, unelectable extreme left idiots…how IS Diane Abott doing these days btw? 
They/we need a pro working people, breakaway new party, with the few genuine original type Labour being part of it, with defectors from other parties with te right time of mind, if these tossers are incapable of getting their act together, problem is it could take 5 to 10 years after formation to establish it’s self to become electable for government.
robroy:
Yep, one half consisting of the out of touch and cgaf wealthy, the other half inept, unelectable extreme left idiots…how IS Diane Abott doing these days btw?
They/we need a pro working people, breakaway new party, with the few genuine original type Labour being part of it, with defectors from other parties with te right time of mind, if these tossers are incapable of getting their act together, problem is it could take 5 to 10 years after formation to establish it’s self to become electable for government.
Just have a listen to Abbot being interviewed by Nicky Campbell on 5 live yesterday if you want a good laugh, speaking without actually saying anything coherently…
bigstraight6:
robroy:
Yep, one half consisting of the out of touch and cgaf wealthy, the other half inept, unelectable extreme left idiots…how IS Diane Abott doing these days btw?
They/we need a pro working people, breakaway new party, with the few genuine original type Labour being part of it, with defectors from other parties with te right time of mind, if these tossers are incapable of getting their act together, problem is it could take 5 to 10 years after formation to establish it’s self to become electable for government.Just have a listen to Abbot being interviewed by Nicky Campbell on 5 live yesterday if you want a good laugh, speaking without actually saying anything coherently…
She showed her total ineptitude and incompetence on the interview about Police funding with Nick Ferrari.
And this shower of ■■■■ could potentially run the country?
Even Gordon ■■■■ Brown who nearly bankrupted us and got rid of our gold reserves and stole pensions ain’t as bad.
Teach your child about the labour party by making them clean the bathroom.
Pay them £10 for their work.
Then take £7 of it back of them,
then give the £7 to the neighbours kids for doing absolutely ■■■■ all.
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Succinct.