Is it worth it?

ibson:
Why will they not let you tip if you are over weight though? I mean is it not then partly their responsibility for sending you away onto public roads over weight, it’s no worse than the guy on the weigh bridge who let him go at the other end!

Because if they let so many of you in over weight over time your tipping a load for free that’s a weigh ridge op told me at a tip that we were regularly running into overweight they can usually suffer you being a ton over its when you go in at 34 ton In an 8 wheeler they tend to get upset at least round here anyway

The muck tip at veolia at rainham used to go spare and wouldn’t let you tip if it was to far over.

Is It Worth It?

:laughing: To risk incurring the wrath of the law for £2.50? He must be so stupid. Defies belief.

Muckaway:
Apparently, the 500kgs was worth £2.50. Was that worth it, given the risk of being caught overweight and fined?

I guess if he’s got 5 wagons and each one is doing, say, 4 loads a day, then that £2.50 turns in to £250 per week, or £12.5k/year. In the current climate that could easily be his entire profit.

I’m not saying that he is right to overload, but I can see why some people would do it. It might not seem like much on each individual load but it soon adds up.

Paul

kr79:
The muck tip at veolia at rainham used to go spare and wouldn’t let you tip if it was to far over.

Yep ive been turned away from there before :frowning: !

That’s probally right on aggs Paul and 500kg you would have to be pretty unlucky to get nicked.

Said subbie has gone down 1 truck so I was told this morning; His Hino fell over tipping that treated sewage stuff that farmers use.

repton:

Muckaway:
Apparently, the 500kgs was worth £2.50. Was that worth it, given the risk of being caught overweight and fined?

I guess if he’s got 5 wagons and each one is doing, say, 4 loads a day, then that £2.50 turns in to £250 per week, or £12.5k/year. In the current climate that could easily be his entire profit.

I’m not saying that he is right to overload, but I can see why some people would do it. It might not seem like much on each individual load but it soon adds up.

Paul

Granted…good case…but. If he is caught and fined then he also runs the risk of constant VOSA attention. He could then lose more than his initial gain. Is it worth it?

Muckaway:
Said subbie has gone down 1 truck so I was told this morning; His Hino fell over tipping that treated sewage stuff that farmers use.

It was probably overloaded and it broke the camels back! :laughing:

DOT are so hot on the scales in some states here i would worry to death about being overloaded. I have only been over the top once at a scale house and that was on route 104 headring out of Rhode Island and crossed into Mass, at the very first scale a DOt cop had me drive over, then walked toward me, when the cop come over you know you have a problem. “You are over on the drives, but it’s lunch time and I am going so get the hell out of here, it’s your lucky day” :laughing:
With the liquid loads I carry now I have it made, Domino will not allow us off site if we hit an once over 80,000lbs and being a smoothe bore tank when we get pulled on scales by DOt they can’t get the true weight because the load moves for about 5 minutes after stopping and at protable scales the wheels are raised so when drives are on the load moves back and when the trailer is on the load moves to the tractor :laughing:

Muckaway:
Said subbie has gone down 1 truck so I was told this morning; His Hino fell over tipping that treated sewage stuff that farmers use.

Sounds like he knows what he’s doing lol :smiley:

Solly:
Granted…good case…but. If he is caught and fined then he also runs the risk of constant VOSA attention. He could then lose more than his initial gain. Is it worth it?

Well if that extra £12.5k/year is all that is keeping his business from going under anyway then perhaps in his mind it is worth it. Personally if I had to run overweight to stay in business I would pack it in but not all people think like that.

Paul

repton:

Solly:
Granted…good case…but. If he is caught and fined then he also runs the risk of constant VOSA attention. He could then lose more than his initial gain. Is it worth it?

Well if that extra £12.5k/year is all that is keeping his business from going under anyway then perhaps in his mind it is worth it. Personally if I had to run overweight to stay in business I would pack it in but not all people think like that.

Paul

Your right. Everyone doesn’t think like you, which is a pity… as it appears the industry is worse off because of it.

Up to 1 tonne over is just a verbal warning, which is probably what he is working on.

maurice:
Up to 1 tonne over is just a verbal warning, which is probably what he is working on.

Is that for the first offence?

maurice:
Up to 1 tonne over is just a verbal warning, which is probably what he is working on.

Depends on your mgw: Might not be a lot on an artic or 8w but with a transit tipper…
Even if you’re right Maurice, I wouldn’t chance it.

Problem we have at our place is overweight trailers. We get fully loaded double deckers. Which could have anything from pallets of juice to pallets of compost. with pallet of compost weighing 1500kg on its on. and we have about 44 pallets altogether. We dont have a weightbridge to find out if we are overloaded etc. Should we not have one by law or is it down to the loaders to determine if its over. Only if worked in retail jobs and never once been on scales.

SwedishWorkHorse:
Problem we have at our place is overweight trailers. We get fully loaded double deckers. Which could have anything from pallets of juice to pallets of compost. with pallet of compost weighing 1500kg on its on. and we have about 44 pallets altogether. We dont have a weightbridge to find out if we are overloaded etc. Should we not have one by law or is it down to the loaders to determine if its over. Only if worked in retail jobs and never once been on scales.

You’re expected to go to a public weighbridge to check it. You are allowed to then drive somewhere within reason to drop off the excess.

Solly:

maurice:
Up to 1 tonne over is just a verbal warning, which is probably what he is working on.

Is that for the first offence?

Doesn’t matter how many times, it’s just a verbal warning. We’re a bit more relaxed with weights so I’ve had a few.

Muckaway:

maurice:
Up to 1 tonne over is just a verbal warning, which is probably what he is working on.

Depends on your mgw: Might not be a lot on an artic or 8w but with a transit tipper…
Even if you’re right Maurice, I wouldn’t chance it.

It’s a maximum of 5% or 1 tonne, so the small stuff can’t go anywhere near 1 tonne over.

Muckaway:

SwedishWorkHorse:
Problem we have at our place is overweight trailers. We get fully loaded double deckers. Which could have anything from pallets of juice to pallets of compost. with pallet of compost weighing 1500kg on its on. and we have about 44 pallets altogether. We dont have a weightbridge to find out if we are overloaded etc. Should we not have one by law or is it down to the loaders to determine if its over. Only if worked in retail jobs and never once been on scales.

You’re expected to go to a public weighbridge to check it. You are allowed to then drive somewhere within reason to drop off the excess.

alright just wondering. As few weeks ago one of our trucks were overloaded and driver smashed into back of another lorry as he couldnt stop the truck in time. Before it could be weighed it had been transferred onto another 2 trucks. Think they were covering thereselfs there. Why load it all back onto 2 trucks instead of 1. Something funny there. Alot of the drivers talking about it. At first thot was rumour but was in office and heard driver saying it was overloaded and he got a ear full off the transport manager.