Is it racist,am I racist?

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Carryfast:
The question is why is integration seen as a positive thing from either the point of view of the indigenous population or the immigrant one.It’s wrong to change the culture and national identity of any group.That’s the main flaw in the whole idea.They want the immigrants to come here to provide cheap labour but then they want those foreign cultures to miraculously change into the indigenous one :open_mouth: .It just ain’t going to happen.Which is why nature put the different ethnic groups and communities in different parts of the planet and it’s also why you didn’t decide to emigrate to Nigeria or Pakistan instead of Canada. :open_mouth: :laughing:

That’s the first sensible thing you’ve said in a while :open_mouth: :laughing:

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I dind’t read the whole discussion, but one thing stroke me:

From one side, you deny the people who are born here the citizens rights… On the other hand, you blame them that they don’t feel loyalty to this country…

Can’t you see that this two are a bit contradictive? You can’t have cookie and eat it…

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orys:
I dind’t read the whole discussion, but one thing stroke me:

From one side, you deny the people who are born here the citizens rights… On the other hand, you blame them that they don’t feel loyalty to this country…

Can’t you see that this two are a bit contradictive? You can’t have cookie and eat it…

Orys it seems like you didn’t understand the above post. :unamused:

  1. Is the Pope a Catholic :question: answer yes

  2. Is Cliff Richard an Indian :question: answer no.

  3. Is Cliff Richard British :question: answer yes.

  4. The Swiss and the Italians (would) both deny people who are born there with no previous ethnic links citzens rights.Does that make them racists answer no.

The fact is it’s only the integrationists,as opposed to the supporters of multiculturalism like me,who are blaming anyone for failing to integrate because being integrationists they obviously believe in integration of different cultures and ethnic groups just like that socialist idiot Tito did and look what the result was there. :bulb:

Whereas if you take the idea of multiculturalism to it’s logical conclusion everyone would live in their own seperate place amongst their own kind in relation to national ethnic identity and cultures.Which is just what nature intended and did in putting different ethnic groups in different places and it’s just what the UN did in to rectify the socialist zb up that Tito made of the former Yugoslavia. :bulb:

However if they really must bring in loads of immigrant ethnic groups and cultures for cheap labour here then the integrationists shouldn’t be surprised when the multiculturalists refuse to cooperate with the integrationists bs ideas,in which the integrationists (socialists),want everyone to live together in an ethnically integrated society.The result is that you (rightly) get places like Brixton in London,Southall in what was Middlesex,as opposed to places like Dorking and Shere etc in what is still Surrey. :bulb:

As I said it also explains why nmm emigrated to Canada not Nigeria or Pakistan. :unamused:

By definition someone,like me,who believes in multiculturalism,certainly wouldn’t ‘blame’ any immigrant group for not having any loyalty whatsoever to this place or the indigenous national identity because their loyalties should rightly belong with their own.I think our socialist (when it suits them) government knows that argument is correct which is why it’s now trying to push the mixed race inter ethnic marriage agenda in an attempt to circumvent the issues of ethnicity which they know by historic example will be inevitable in the future for future generations. :unamused: :imp:

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Carryfast:
3) The Swiss and the Italians (would) both deny people who are born there with no previous ethnic links citzens rights.Does that make them racists answer no.

It’s interesting what you say. A family friend who escaped during the war to Switzerland lived there her whole life (she died two years ago) and she was working for the goverment. Her son is a Swiss policeman :wink:

it’s logical conclusion everyone would live in their own seperate place amongst their own kind in relation to national ethnic identity and cultures.Which is just what nature intended

Somehow I can’t see you living in Africa amongst your fellow Australopitecs… Hey, isn’t it because the migrations were common since the beginning of the humanity? :slight_smile:

As I said it also explains why nmm emigrated to Canada not Nigeria or Pakistan. :unamused:

Yeah, he wanted to have better life, but just to prove you wrong, he should emigrate to Somalia :smiley:

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orys:

Carryfast:
3) The Swiss and the Italians (would) both deny people who are born there with no previous ethnic links citzens rights.Does that make them racists answer no.

It’s interesting what you say. A family friend who escaped during the war to Switzerland lived there her whole life (she died two years ago) and she was working for the goverment. Her son is a Swiss policeman :wink:

it’s logical conclusion everyone would live in their own seperate place amongst their own kind in relation to national ethnic identity and cultures.Which is just what nature intended

Somehow I can’t see you living in Africa amongst your fellow Australopitecs… Hey, isn’t it because the migrations were common since the beginning of the humanity? :slight_smile:

As I said it also explains why nmm emigrated to Canada not Nigeria or Pakistan. :unamused:

Yeah, he wanted to have better life, but just to prove you wrong, he should emigrate to Somalia :smiley:

Th example of the Swiss policeman born of a war refugee (maybe to a Swiss father with historic Swiss ethnicity :question: ) wouldn’t be the same thing as if a British couple,working in Switzerland under a work permit for example,then had a child born to them in a Swiss hospital then trying to then say that child was a Swiss citizen. :bulb:

Somehow I can’t see many Brit ex pats taking up your idea concerning taking up all those opportunities to live in Somalia instead,though. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

But migrations might have been common since the beginning of history but then we haven’t had nation states and national borders protecting ethnic multiculturalism for that long and it doesn’t seem like we’ll effectively be having them much longer if the socialist (when it suits them) bs ideas,concerning immigration for cheap labour,are allowed to continue.

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Carryfast:
Th example of the Swiss policeman born of a war refugee (maybe to a Swiss father with historic Swiss ethnicity :question:

No, he was of Polish nationality, former RAF mechanic, told to bugger off from UK when no longer needed :slight_smile:

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orys:

Carryfast:
Th example of the Swiss policeman born of a war refugee (maybe to a Swiss father with historic Swiss ethnicity :question:

No, he was of Polish nationality, former RAF mechanic, told to bugger off from UK when no longer needed :slight_smile:

1945 war over so no longer any requirement to take in refugees which was strictly limited by the Swiss government even during the war anyway :question: . :confused:

It could only have been a very exceptional case which proved the rule.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_nati … itizenship

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Somalia hmm I’ve always fancied been a pirate. Anyone know where I can buy a parrot. :smiley: :smiley:

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kr79:
Somalia hmm I’ve always fancied been a pirate. Anyone know where I can buy a parrot. :smiley: :smiley:

You don’t need to go to Somalia, the Pirate Party is quite strong in Germany or Sweden… Or you can just always become a Pastafarian: venganza.org/ :wink:

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del949:

does have me wondering whether border guards in India/Pakistan might actually be ‘white English/British’

don’t know about Pakistan but not in India.

And in answer to your first question, of course it makes you racist!
You have no idea if the officer was an immigrant or a Britsh born asian, you simply object because you see him as different because of his colour.
But as long as you don’t do anything about it, you are allowed to be racist :smiley:

The operative word here is Asian, If he is british born ,then he is not asian. People confuse colour with race. Its not the colour of a mans skin that make white brits racist, its were his loyalties lie. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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The operative word here is Asian, If he is british born ,then he is not asian.

Rubbish! he would still be Asian no matter where he was born.
If a European were born in Asia it wouldn’t make him Asian, it would simply make him a European born in Pakistan (for example).
It might also make him a Pakistani but it wouldn’t stop him being European.

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I blame Michael Caine for stirring those Zulu’s up. :wink:

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Pssst! don’t think Zulus are Asian :slight_smile:

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del949:

The operative word here is Asian, If he is british born ,then he is not asian.

Rubbish! he would still be Asian no matter where he was born.
If a European were born in Asia it wouldn’t make him Asian, it would simply make him a European born in Pakistan (for example).
It might also make him a Pakistani but it wouldn’t stop him being European.

Blimey all this was dealt with by reference to the example of Cliff Richard.He’s a British as it gets although he was born in India.Which probably explains why he never chose to live in Bombay.Or Southall. :laughing:

In that example above it would be no different to that Cliff Richard example of being Indian by geographic birth but British by all other criterea using common sense which the pc British govenrment obviously doesn’t have much of being that we’re one of the countries that base citizenship on place of birth not on descent like many other countries.But the next time an Indian born in Britain to Indian parents says that they are British because they were born here just refer them to the Indian rules of citizenship. :wink:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law

Which leaves the question what nationality would Cliff Richard be if he was born in India to British parents today.Because if he had to be born here to be British but have Indian parents to be Indian he’d be a stateless refugee unless the Brits just make it all up as they go along in that case. :unamused: :laughing:

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del949:

The operative word here is Asian, If he is british born ,then he is not asian.

Rubbish! he would still be Asian no matter where he was born.
If a European were born in Asia it wouldn’t make him Asian, it would simply make him a European born in Pakistan (for example).
It might also make him a Pakistani but it wouldn’t stop him being European.

Cliff Richard is an Indian, he is not british He was born of English parents in India. your nationality is determined by WHERE you were born, and my argument is If you are born in the UK but still call yourself Asian ,or whatever, then f**k off back to where your loyalties lie.

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rocky 7:

del949:

The operative word here is Asian, If he is british born ,then he is not asian.

Rubbish! he would still be Asian no matter where he was born.
If a European were born in Asia it wouldn’t make him Asian, it would simply make him a European born in Pakistan (for example).
It might also make him a Pakistani but it wouldn’t stop him being European.

Cliff Richard is an Indian, he is not british He was born of English parents in India. your nationality is determined by WHERE you were born, and my argument is If you are born in the UK but still call yourself Asian ,or whatever, then f**k off back to where your loyalties lie.[/quote

No it’s not if a dog is born in a stable it’s not a horse.It’s just an anomaly of this country that they’ve based citizenship and nationality on place of birth instead of on descent which is how loads of other countries decide.Cliff Richard is British by descent which is the most sensible way to sort it.It’s then just a case of deciding how far back down the line is needed to go.

The idea of making immigrant communities give up their cultural and ethnic background is wrong.That’s integration not multiculturalism and if the amount of multiculturalism has reached unsustainable or unnacceptable levels that’s the time to put a stop on further immigration.Instead of which we’ve got the opposite situation of an open door immigration policy and then and integrationist agenda.Which is wrong for both the indigenous communities and the immigrant ones. :bulb:

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Getting back to the question of racism, and what is being racist.
I am of Jewish ancestry brought up in a predominantly Christian country, so therefore I abide by the rules and laws of this country.
I have never heard of any occasion when the Jewish population in the UK as ever tried to change the ways of the British, Christian population, or try to convert them to Judism,or plant bombs in public places, it is these people that I ,as an Englishman am racist against.

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rocky 7:
Getting back to the question of racism, and what is being racist.
I am of Jewish ancestry brought up in a predominantly Christian country, so therefore I abide by the rules and laws of this country.
I have never heard of any occasion when the Jewish population in the UK as ever tried to change the ways of the British, Christian population, or try to convert them to Judism,or plant bombs in public places, it is these people that I ,as an Englishman am racist against.

Well said.

This is a prime example of how small scale immigration can successfully be worked into the slow evolution of a national group. The Jews are by and large invisible amongst the indiginous community and for the most part behave just like that community. Same with the Chinese as well, there must be hundreds of thousands of them in the UK, perhaps more than that, but because they just get on with things without making a scene and trying to force their culture down our throats, no one pays them any attention at all and all the time they are obviously visually different from us so its not as if we can only accept those that look the same. Its only when it comes to groups who behave like a spoilt child having a tantrum who demand attention all the time and want to be different, special and singled out that problems really begin.

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