Is David Camoron a (zb)?

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sammyopisite:
It was a good thing that people were able to buy their council house but there should have been a re building of council house,s program introduced so that the next generation would have a home and we have a lot of people having to rent off of the private sector at high rents ( market value ) and they find it very difficult to save and pay their way.

Or in other words you want a Socialist solution to a Conservative caused problem all dressed up as Conservative policy. :unamused: :laughing:

‘They find it difficult to pay their way’ because of the low wage culture that Thatcher’s post Fordist de industrialisation and anti union ideology created.Thereby making them reliant on the same state in work benefits dependency that she and her Con cronies say they want to get rid of. :unamused: In work benefits in this case also including state funded housing or housing benefits or tax credits.While a cheap cut price below market value social housing buy also fits that description.

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Wow 2 pages first day,who is the next victim,sandle shuffling Father Tim Farron or SNP Jimmie Kranky woman or even Aussie Sheila of the Greens? :open_mouth: :confused: :smiley:

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Bewick:

Buzzer:
Am I a bit out of it here but just who is lending Great Britain all this money which is the national debt ? and what happens when who ever it is says that’s it no more, what then.
Maybe that would be a good thing as it would force the Government from giving out all these cash hand outs, make the one’s who wont work do a job or starve a lot smoke and have mobile phones on tax payers dosh. Stop importing a temporary workforce and get the lazy B’s back in harness. Blimey what a mess we is in, Buzzer

I echo your remarks 100% “Buzzer”,surely the “gravy train” will hit the buffers big time in the future but the only trouble is the politicians will have blown the hard earned contributions us er! Older generation paid in fathfulfully over many years eh! Cheers Bewick.

It works by us printing money to pay for all the imported stuff that Thatcher decided was a better idea than paying our own workers to make the stuff here.Which those foreign exporters then lend back to us plus interest so we can buy more imported stuff etc etc etc.Then when we’ve paid them enough of that mickey mouse money they then give it back to us in exchange for the country’s real assets like farmland,real estate and infrastructure. :unamused:

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Evening all,

Interesting stuff this Corbin, (zb), Cameron, (ZB), it just shows that these two third division teams , simply do not really represent us at all!

You can listen to Corbin, and think, boy that is reasonably right, (if you have any humanity in you), then you listen to Cameron, and you can think, right on, that is ok…but then you think, hang on a bit…

But we have here in the Great British Islands a malaise…born of poor education, that sapped the desire to be competitive, to achieve, to do good, to create, to make things better…NO, that is wrong, everyone is “equal”, no one wins, (at sport, or in academia), a morass of “equalism”…no recognition if the individual has talent…What a castration of the Nations future…and that Gentlemen is what we have …a totally Ball less Nation…

Everyone has potential, whatever their birthwright, or background. Of course some have wealth, it may be financial, it may be interlectual, (and goodness me Ive met many a man, and woman, that I would rather converse with , whose wealth was in their head, and not their wallet)! But the secret of success for any country is to allow those who wish to pursue whatever goal that they wish in their lives to do just that… and to share, and enjoy being part of that society, without envy of anyone…

But to drive down the route, (that Britain has driven down with such unmitigated success in the years post 1945), for a society dependent upon state handouts, where the “workers”, (whatever their role), are regarded as the “mugs”… Well only a real “thicko”, or person without any realisation of the real world could not forsee the future, (viscious), division of society resulting…

And of course that is just where we are now!

The culture of “hand outs” , has permeated the whole of society, yet those supplying the dosh to fund these handouts has fallen consistently, year on year…so here we are in the era of “austerity”…pull the other one, this a`int real austerity, its playing with the figures, lest the voters, (in this case the perceived Tory ones), rebel…because “cutting” the handouts will affect them…(Tax credits, Child allowance)…

The whole public sector is bloated…dear Gordon saw to that…create jobs, (that really do not exist), …whey hey…look where that has led us now! The national industry is now the NHS…and what a joke that is, bloated…boy, would you employ an ex NHS Manager…NO, NO, NO. Run on systems that begat systems, trading inefficiency against the fear of the individual, of being prone on a bed, and at the mercy of a “front line health professional”, who can remember "your " criticism of the sacrosanct NHS…so you never will ever criticise it!!!..but it really is a poor old job, sucking the country dry, because of its totally unregulated, self serving, lack of real managerial input…The talent is there, (on the Medical side)…but oh dear the management…

So here we are, two horses, (as ever, Labour, and Conservative), both having run the country on a minimal vote, both really being not fit for purpose…and they really are not…but our voting system does not allow the change that perhaps secretly we all crave…but now look at the mess we have…

If you want good Government, well the excesses of the party that has been elected have to be tempered by a good opposition…but what do we have today?..Hooray Henrys, (and do not for one minute think that any of these clowns know what it feels like to climb into a lorry at 0200 hours, or be told to weekend on a strip of tarmac because it will be two days before you can be unloaded)…and a bunch of “theoretical socialists”…who can simply not comprehend the overt corruption, inefficiency, and “Im allright Jack” attitude that pervades , (or pervaded), the corrupt socialist/communist states wherever they were located!..or for those of you who share my age how about dear Harold, or Michaels try at Government).

So we a`int got a balanced Government…no sir…and where that leads us I dread to think.

One thing that Margaret Thatcher tried to do…was teach responsibility, personal, corporate, and communal…but the country had gone too soft to take it, and it shows today.

And as Bewick says, we can all disagree, but still be mates, but that is my take on where we are today…and Im sad, because so much real potential has been lost forever…

Cheerio for now.

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Saviem that is an excellent post and being the eldest of eleven does learn you to be responsible for yourself at an early age and due to having very good parents ten of us have our own homes and eight have or had their own business and we were brought up on what dad earned in the 40s and 50s only thing mum received was family allowance.
I would not be capable of putting it so eloquently as you have but the biggest problem with the country is that people are not willing to take responsibility for themselves and are always looking for an excuse or to blame someone else instead of thinking " right I made a mess of that " and making sure that you learn from it and do not repeat it.

cheers Johnnie

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Well I knew that in the end this thread would make old Saviem salivate and have his say and a good say at that, any one who has been in business on there own account and made a success of it (and there are a fair few on here) could run the country in a far more efficient way than it is today, the problems are very visible and could be cured but no body in governmental power is prepared to grab the bull by the horns and sort it. Reckon if we could form a ruling body between us and we wont call it government, just call it enforcers surely the end result would be better. Buzzer.

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I’d like to ask the older generation on this site how would they solve the the problems of this country
Firstly this country as never recovered from the mass closures of our manufacturing and engineering industries
( you can’t blame all this on the unions there’s good and bad)
Some high end engineering and manufacturing do remain but it hasn’t been enough to substitute the losses of these jobs

This was replaced with a massive increase in the service industry where dare I say the skills are not same and a majority of the jobs are part time and low wages the loss of job security with the if you don’t like it leave attitude
The labour market is awash with people wanting jobs
(also those who don’t but want a life on benefits)
I can remember my dad being the only breadwinner I’m the youngest of 4 kids and like it’s been stated they only got family allowance (I also don’t agree in popping kids out for the sake of claiming benefits if you can’t pay for them don’t have them)
There was no tax or working tax credits but he earned enough to look after us me mam went to work part time once I’d started school
The average job these days doesn’t hardly pay enough to cover rent/mortgage and other household bills even if there is 2 breadwinners that’s why a lot of folk rely on working tax credits
(I don’t agree the state should have to subsidise wages)
But where and when are these decent jobs going start to appear?
Recently in my area a big supermarket opened and the local press along with the local smiling MP turned up claiming great times and a boost for jobs
Well out of nearly 200 jobs only 4 were full time the rest were part time ranging from 8/12/16 and 20 hrs per week
How are these people supposed to live for Petes sake there’s no good paying jobs
I’ve 2 kids of working age my eldest as done numerous job training schemes and courses he’s had 7 different jobs since leaving school but once the period is over he’s told there’s no job and they take on another poor kid who’ll be treated the same
My boy as managed to get a part time job on security
So much for doing well at school and college to try and do well in life
My daughter is at university where she’ll end up being in debt for most of her working life
I’d love to help her out but I’m being made redundant next year when the firm I work for closes and moves to Poland
I’ll tell you I work for Imperial Tobacco limited in Nottingham I’ve been here just over 12 years it’s been in Nottingham for a 127 years
Im a yard Shunter I work permanent afternoons 1.30 while 8.30 Mon to Thur and 12 while 7 on a Friday
That’s 35hrs a week for a wage some 2nd Division professional don’t get
Once it’s gone that’s the last of the good jobs gone in Nottingham
Raleigh bikes All the pits The Royal Ordanance Depot Rolls Royce Boots Manufacturing
The lace industry Cotes Viyella Stag Furniture just to name a few all good paying companies all gone forever
Replaced with low paid jobs
I wish we could turn the clock back where you could leave a job on a Friday and walk straight in to another one on Monday

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Yes ok MR know it all ,Carryfast. I would not be surprised if you came from a privileged, background
you certainly write as if you are a office or barrack room lawyer ,A AGITATOR fire the bullets and stand well back.

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GAZSA 401 IT never is.another world war will be the start of new generations . 1944 born my parents like your dads worket for wages very low compared to day but got on with it,
I have 7 grandchildren all above 15 years old, their future ,I have no idea like you children .the whole world had changed we are no longer the great British empire, we are paying the price for what our fore fathers did in the 18th 19th century .IT IS WORLD ECONIMICS out of my lead.
just let me tell you this in 1962 I went up the Yagntise river on a cargo ship as crew ,a young deck boy, and we went to Shanghai CHINA .UNHEARD OF.

The people there all had the same blue quilted type uniform clothes, all of them, every one you seen and you could not tell what was the original because it was all patches…they had nothing .the whole country was in ■■■■■ order.[ Now look at china] I need say no more. that was in 50 years from rags to riches and we are going the other way.

PS where were you carryfast in 1962

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deckboypeggy:
Yes ok MR know it all ,Carryfast. I would not be surprised if you came from a privileged, background
you certainly write as if you are a office or barrack room lawyer ,A AGITATOR fire the bullets and stand well back.

No it’s just that being from a working class background I’ve long ago recognised the Thatcherite vote being based on a selective version of zb socialism.Which calls those calling for better wages to pay their own way in life ‘militants’,in exchange for their state handouts like a cheap council house sell off and housing benefits and tax credits.

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deckboypeggy:
The people there all had the same blue quilted type uniform clothes, all of them, every one you seen and you could not tell what was the original because it was all patches…they had nothing .the whole country was in [zb] order.[ Now look at china] I need say no more. that was in 50 years from rags to riches and we are going the other way.

Exactly.Thatcher and her commy crony Reagan destroyed the western economies to make the Chinese Communist Party stronger.Which says it all. :unamused:

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Well cayrryfast you do surprise me working class background, ?whatever gave you that[ zb]great chip you have carrying around on your shoulders.
Selected vote !as you know that is what we all do ,some are in influence of socialism and others not.

we will never agree but that is healthy, who would believe in dictators! not me.
where were you in 1962?

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deckboypeggy:
Well cayrryfast you do surprise me working class background, ?whatever gave you that[ zb]great chip you have carrying around on your shoulders.
Selected vote !as you know that is what we all do ,some are in influence of socialism and others not.

we will never agree but that is healthy, who would believe in dictators! not me.
where were you in 1962?

It’s not a chip it’s just the realisation that if there’s anything worse than socialism hijacking the cause of the working class it’s when that same working class vote turns to people like Thatcher and Cameron.When their agendas are all the same in both cases being dependence on rationed government controlled state benefits.Instead of the idea of a decent day’s pay for a decent day’s work which is sufficient to cover all the angles from private housing costs at market rates to health costs and retirement etc.

On that note who is really the red.Is it the militant union member US factory worker or truck driver of the 1960’s.Or is it the Thatcher/Cameron voter who’s voting for lower wages and a cheap council house sale and/or other in work benefits like housing benefit and tax credits etc to compensate.Or the Reagan etc voter who’s voting to give those well paid unionised American jobs to the Chinese Communists working for slave wages. :bulb:

As for 1962 I was 3 years old. :wink:

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YES he most certainly is. My poor long suffering wife has to put up with me shouting at him whenever he or that ■■■■ osbourne appear. It is either " get off my television you ■■■■■■■ tory ■■■■■■■■ or “Die today you ■■■■■■■ tory ■■■■■■■■■ And as for little weed Hunt… that thing needs a good dose of Paraquat.

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I voted Cameron in, years ago I was told that Labour were no good for business folk, and road transport in particular, as all they wanted was everything nationlised and I have voted tory since I was old enough to. They were the only candidates that bothered to call in the last elections, they asked if everything was OK so I told them that we had some long term (over a year!) problems with the local council, despite the Lib Dem candidate and Mayor living next door who wasn’t interested, and within a week of telling them it was all sorted. So they got my vote yet again! The Lib Dems were a joke, Farage seemed to be just another windbag with immigration seemingly his only thought so I stuck with what has suited me for 60+ years and I couldn’t give a toss if it doesn’t work for folk in other parts of the country as the only two people I care about are the missus and me and we are just fine! :laughing:

Pete.

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Well thank you Carryfast for your honesty
. "HOWEVER YOU TALK AS IF YOU ARE A OLDER MAN " like me IN actual FACT you have done sweet [zb]ALL, YOU DARE TO DEBATE with men , who would ■■■■ all over you in experience of life, and transport, work places, spouting your idiotic views on all manor of topics that clearly you know sweet [zb about] ,there is a old saying [never kid a kidder] in my book stating your age as just about put you where you belong.
you are chirping someone else’s views you have heard over the years.

IF you went to a collage or Union seminaries they have puddled you head. I have no more to say .i wash my hands of ever repyling to you again ,you may like that.

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well that soon deteriorated into a personal attack rant…
who knows what someone else’s life has been like, what they’ve done, what responsibilities strengths or weakness caused them to go in one life direction and not the other, what hardships trials and tragedies have forged their minds bodies and hearts.
Whats the old saying about unless you walk a mile in another mans shoes?
age is immaterial re the above.

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windrush:
I voted Cameron in, years ago I was told that Labour were no good for business folk, and road transport in particular, as all they wanted was everything nationlised and I have voted tory since I was old enough to. They were the only candidates that bothered to call in the last elections, they asked if everything was OK so I told them that we had some long term (over a year!) problems with the local council, despite the Lib Dem candidate and Mayor living next door who wasn’t interested, and within a week of telling them it was all sorted. So they got my vote yet again! The Lib Dems were a joke, Farage seemed to be just another windbag with immigration seemingly his only thought so I stuck with what has suited me for 60+ years and I couldn’t give a toss if it doesn’t work for folk in other parts of the country as the only two people I care about are the missus and me and we are just fine! :laughing:

Pete.

Well said Pete,I can mirror your comments,me and mine have done well from a predominantly Conservative ruling period,so David Cameron’s crew are doing deservably well in our book!!!

David

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Juddian:
well that soon deteriorated into a personal attack rant…
age is immaterial re the above.

Blimey it makes a change from being called an old ■■■■ who doesn’t know what I’m on about.Ironically Thatcher was actually younger than I am now when she became PM. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

As for JFK he might have lived a bit longer if he’d have waited until he was past retirement age before running for office instead of being assassinated at the age of 46. :unamused: :wink:

As for zb Cameron I could say exactly the same thing about that zb as what dbp said about me regards the age thing. :laughing:

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Well as I posted early Thatcher created a ■■■■ you jack I’m alright society
I’d dread to think what would happen to some of the contributors or their families on this site when they’d need some sort of help in less fortunate times
If this is conservatism then the sooner the ■■■■ Cameron’s 5 years is the up the better